Thanks, John, But No Thanks! (re: John Kerry running in 2008)

[SeveneightyWhoa]

Thanks, John, But No Thanks!
Nice guys finish last, especially in politics

January 26 2005
Counterbias.com
Doug Griffin
T E X A N F O R T R U T H

Senator John Kerry has made it apparent that he plans to seek the Democratic Party’s nomination for the presidency in 2008. Save yourself the monumental embarrassment, Senator, an amoeba has a better chance of winning. Hell, you lost this election to a slug!

Continue.. http://www.counterbias.com/215.html

[MISSDem]

1. I don't agree with this writer at all.

I would vote for John Kerry again. He is an honorable man and a war hero.

[Tamyrlin79]

3. Phaw. I wouldn't.

I don't give a damn if he IS a war hero. That's what those who voted for him in the primaries latched onto, too. 'He's a WAR HERO', and Kerry played that card for all it was worth. And it wasn't worth jack shit. Campaign in the NOW, not Vietnam. "War Hero" should have been BACKGROUND resume info, not beat-you-over-the-head front and center of the campaign.

"What I think about the war in Iraq doesn't matter, you should vote for me because I'm a WAR HERO" is BULL SHIT. Kerry had his chance. He showed he doesn't have the BALLS to take on BushCo head on. I admire John Kerry of 1972 who actually seemed to have some principles and believe in something. Too bad that that is not the John Kerry of 2004 who ran for president.

So, F--- John Kerry. I won't vote for him again, nominee or no.

[Dawgs]

5. Fuck you Tamyrlin79...

What kind of pussy hides behind an online forum and writes something like that. John Kerry did the right thing today, fought hard for us all year, and you sit here today throwing out shit like F--- Kerry.

Grow up you asshole. John Kerry is on our side.

[cdb]

2. Not Kerry

No, not Kerry, not Hilary, can't we get somebody electable this time?

Al Gore comes to mind...

[lancdem]

6. Al Gore dropped out after 2000, which was a mistake

I think he had a good chance in 2004. BTW, pundits said Bill Clinton wasn't electable either. Conventional wisdom is often wrong.

[Dawgs]

4. Kerry got the second most votes in America's history...

That certainly does not make him a loser. It just means that Rove was able to get the gay-hating, anti-women, hypocritcal-christians out to vote.

That also means that more people voted against Bush(a sitting President) than ever before.

I'm not sure I want Kerry running again, but it could be a hell of a lot worse.

[daydreamer]

7. I agree with Doug Griffin

Kerry was too nice with Bush during the campaign. He and Edwards were both lousy campaigners. Mrs. Edwards was a better campaigner than both of them combined.

[Skarbrowe]

8. I'm going to post something here, but don't kill me OK?

Right before the election, I found out that a very close friend of my roommates, someone whom I've had many dinners and outings with, was on one of those dang swift boats tied up next to Kerry's in Viet Nam. Please don't think I am saying that I believe the guy, I'm only relaying what he said and taking it as an opinion. Oh, and I supported Kerry all the way. I'm not a freeper sneaking in here.

He said that he was on a swift boat tied up next to Kerry's around the time or at the time that Kerry got one of or his last purple heart. I can't remember now. He said that at the time, everyone on his boat knew that Kerry had only gotten a minor scratch and that most of the enlisted men like himself didn't think of this type of wound as the type that gave you that third purple heart to get out of Viet Nam. His opinion and the opinion of all his fellow soldiers was that Kerry, who they obviously didn't know was going to run for office in the years to come, used this minor would to get out of Viet Nam. Hell, I don't blame Kerry.

My point is that I actually knew someone for years, who had actually been there when Kerry was wounded and, in HIS OPINION and many others, felt that it was another well to do "officer" getting out Nam as fast as he could. This guy, I'll call him Steve, stayed in the "boat" business. He was a tug boat operator in the New Jersey area until he had a stroke a couple of years ago.

I guess I'm just trying to say that there were some veterans that were there that truly believed Kerry didn't deserve at least one of those medals. Again, it was nothing but their opinion. And to be honest, I never bothered finding out what exact type wounds Kerry suffered because my opinion was if that you were in Viet Nam at all, you deserved a hell of lot more credit than all the people Kerry was up against that didn't spend 2 seconds in the line of fire.

Also, I don't think the Swift Boat Creeps did Kerry in. I don't think any Democrat could have won this election. I will go to my grave believing that half the country was too damn stupid and that there WAS fraud. Possibly fraud that amounted to millions of votes.

I had thought Kerry was going to win because of that one picture taken of the crowd in Ohio. It was so huge. But then someone said that possibly a third or more of that crowd was there to see Bruce Springsteen for free. Ha! It makes sense now.

I would prefer to see someone else run in 2008. I'll have to look over the field of candidates during the next three or so years.

[Clark Bayh 2008]

9. Who could have beaten Bush/Cheney in 2004?

Does anyone really think the election turned on anything except Iraq, terrorism, & national security?

Does anyone really think that a northeastern dem could be elected anytime in the next 3 electoral cycles? With all due respect, the last northeast Democratic president was FDR & he would not be a big vote getter in vital red states today. Finally, no incumbent U.S. President has EVER lost during a perceived time of war.

Of the Dems that ran in 2004, only 4 had any real military or national security experience: Kerry, Graham, Lieberman, & Clark. Sam Nunn didn't run & Edwards was a first term senator. Lieberman would have added little to the ticket since he's from a completely Blue State. Kerry was a northeast liberal war protester at heart.

Once Kerry was nominated, hindsight dictates that he should have picked Graham or Clark for VP after being rebuffed by McCain. But only McCain would have given Kerry 51%. If the country picked Bush over Kerry after those 3 debates, nothing would have changed the outcome.

For the 2004 election, we would have needed to go back to the smoke filled rooms to put up the only logical figures, just as the Republicans did in 1952. Ike & Nixon were military and national security figures whose patriotism could not be questioned in a time of war.

We needed someone like Nunn, Clark, or Graham. The primaries leaned left & when that happens, Dems lose. If Hillary runs in 2008, she may raise issues, but she will lose. I don't think you have to be a wonk to assert that.

The only logical Dem ticket in 2008 is one which includes a military figure or national security veteran, along with a Red state star. Lieberman, Nunn, & Graham will be too old; Kerry & Hillary too liberal; Obama & Edwards too inexperienced; that leaves only Clark & Evan Bayh from Indiana.

The Dems should start to coalesce early around Clark & Bayh if they actually want to compete in 2008. If they prefer symbolism, Hillary is a fine martyr.

CLARK/BAYH 2008

[newyawker99]

10. Hi Clark Bayh 2008!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast: