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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:35 AM
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CBS: Dems on Social Security Warpath


Dems On Social Security Warpath

WASHINGTON, Jan. 28, 2005

(CBS/AP) Senate Democrats lashed out Friday against President Bush's plan to add personal accounts to Social Security and accused his administration of improperly using the Social Security Administration to promote the plan.

A pair of Social Security employees told the Democratic Policy Committee that they objected to internal agency documents that directs employees to talk about the system's problems and the need for reform.

"That is a political message and it's not my job as an agency employee to project a political message," said Debbie Fredericksen, who works in the Minneapolis field office and is a union representative. ..

Democratic opposition to Mr. Bush's plan was expected, but according to the Washington Post, the president is also facing resistance from congressional Republicans...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/28/politics/main670060.shtml
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 12:40 AM
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1. Yet I noticed that
cbs is using the * regime approved term "personal accounts" instead of "private accounts", as they have been ordered to do by the goons in charge of our country.x( There was a show about this on Al Franken on Friday. Despite the fact that until recently the regime referred to it as privatization, they have now ordered all journalists to stop using the term because people didn't respond well to it. See how quickly the lemmings obey orders....
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:27 PM
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3. Send CBS this quote out of the leaked GOP playbook
on Social Security, which the Washington Post revealed today:

The blueprint urges lawmakers to promote the "personalization" of Social Security, suggesting ownership and control, rather than "privatization," which "connotes the total corporate takeover of Social Security." Democratic strategists said they intend to continue fighting the Republican plan by branding it privatization, and assert that depiction is already set in people's minds.


;-) Since it IS the total corporate takeover of SSI, CBS should be telling its viewers the truth, not parroting the GOP play book. Please, write and tell that so--and let them know you'll be posting their reply here for 60,000 folks to read.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 11:13 PM
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5. Isn't this our turn to define the "frame"? It's PRIVATIZATION!
It's private accounts.

It's cuts in Social Security benefits. It's cuts in disability benefits and survivor benefits.

Keep saying it!
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 01:53 AM
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2. Rale against the fraud, Dems!!
"Don't Back Down"! I have to take this computer in for repairs (Yiiiiiiiiiiiikeeeeeeeeeeesssssss!!):argh::hurts::hurts::hurts::( :(

When it gets back, I am hooking up my fax machine and bombarding the congress with encouragements to SAVE THE SS program from the lying weasel in chief.

Not having my computer for a few days is going to kill me though. Yeeeeeeeowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwza!!!!!
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-05 09:28 PM
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4. Good luck! Find a cyber-cafe in the meantime.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 07:09 AM
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7. Hahahah....
'itsa gonna be a tough one' w/o my machine. It's leaving this morning. So I'm up a 4 am (pacific) doing my thing one last time.

Weird how we get attached to these computers. For me it's a love/hate deal. I love the info and convenience of the internet, I hate the technical complications they bring. When they go haywire I sound like a member of some gangster truck driver cult. LOL LOL Never cussed a stream so much in my life. *growl*

Catch ya later :hi:
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 03:46 PM
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8. Find a high school kid who is a tekie wizard.
I put my son on my payroll at 14. He provides on-site, live-in service at $20 an hour, which is far cheaper than anyone else and I don't have to lug the computer in anyplace. Th last guy wanted seventy bucks an hour and couldn't fix squat. So far, my son's managed to fix every software and hardware problem I've had.

Last year, at 17, he built a new computer for me when it finally came time to upgrade. No crashes, best deal I ever made.

Call a computer teacher at your local high school for some names of wiz kids in your area.

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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-05 01:26 AM
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6. It's not correct to say "add personal accounts"
Edited on Tue Feb-01-05 01:33 AM by baby_bear
The correct description is "carve out" and "privatized accounts." This difference is huge! Bush could propose "adding" 401(K) type accounts to promote personal savings, such as is done in the federal service Thrift Savings Plan, which includes all federal employees. We can set aside a few percentage points of pre-income-tax income to 401(k) funds; however, this does NOT affect either our Social Security payroll tax contributions OR our eventual Social Security benefits. It is tagged to income tax only. And by the way, like many others who have 401(k)s, I lost my butt in 2001; good thing I still have Social Security promised to me, or so I thought. But now, I probably won't....but what if I had to retire right after the tech bust? I'd have been in real bad shape.

Bush lies when he says he wants to pattern this after the federal Thrift Savings Plan, because he is not talking about deferring money from income tax but from the payroll tax. But worse than that, the media effectively lies when they repeat his lies without correcting him. That is their job. His job, apparently, is to mislead us. The media's job should be to help us understand he is misleading us.

Doesn't seem to work that way, does it????

b_b
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 06:18 AM
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9. Let's reduce car accidents and make driving more efficient
We need a plan to give every driver title to a piece of the interstate highway system, which s/he will be responsible for maintaining, funded by the little private toll booths every 2 miles. Yep, we need an ownership society, alright. See, we pay for the toll booths by borrowing 10 trillion and adding it to the national debt, but all the unleashed entrepreneurship should make up for that in two or three years.
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