Hey Dean dolts, the Repubs are laughing at you while they pull your string

[CounterCoulter]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/16/opinion/16BROO.html?hp

Good to see that a few people are catching on. Maybe a few of the other chickens running around with their heads cut off will catch on.

BUSH WANTS TO TALK WAR, NOT ECONOMICS.

I hate Metoo Lieberman as much as the next guy, but COME ON. Why make this about war when we can make it about JOBS.

[searchingforlight]

1. And you believe the Bushies would tell us what they really want to talk

about?

They don't want to talk war OR economics OR environment OR energy OR education OR . . . . I hope you get my drift. They are vulnerable in every subject.

The war is a big issue right now because it is where the hearts of the fence strattlers and even some of the adopted are at. Make no mistake. The jobs number will defeat Bush without talking about it BUT the war is a spin zone and every spin needs to be taken on.

And by the way, Dean Dolts is just the type of Coulter remark we don't need. Make your point but name calling is flamebating.

[CounterCoulter]

4. K-Street

Did you watch K-Street this sunday night?

At the end of the show, Paul Begala made a point that made me think he just might be the biggest whore on the planet. He told Howard Dean that every election is about one issue. Is the war a "great" issue for Bush? No. But is it better for him than the economy? You bet.

War at least excites his base. Tax cuts excite his contributors--and he already has more of those than he needs. What he needs now are votes.

I wouldn't be surprised if Repubs are funneling money into the Dean campaign--they funneled money into the Nader coffers in 2000. I only wish I were making that up.

[searchingforlight]

11. I did see K Street.

The time to talk about the war is now. Let the economy be a subject but don't narrow the subjects this early in the game. One issue candidates don't usually do well in the long run.

Why do you think that Bush has been out there (since his vacation) trying to cover all the bases? He has had a public appearance on the war. He has had one one the economy. He has had one on the environment. He has talked about education. He knows he is vulnerable in all of these areas and he is trying to stem the bleeding.

The issues will define themselves as we get closer to the election and that will be the time to hone our rhetoric.

Show some patience and be a little less abrasive to your fellow DUers. We are not the enemy.

[clar]

2. Try a little

civility. Calling people dolts is not the best way to get them to listen to you. But that wasn't your objective, was it? C'mon 'fess up, you're just trying to start a flame war.

[deutsey]

3. Agreed

That's uncalled for (and I've said the same to Dean supporters for incivility to other candidate supporters).

As to the column: Who the hell cares what these out-of-touch fascists at the GOP think? They've been laughing at the American public ever since they stole the 2000 election. Why should I let this bother me?

[CounterCoulter]

5. How much do you folks at DU...

...actually know about Watergate?

I hope every one is aware that Watergate wasn't just about breaking in and stealing campaign secrets. It was about using the FBI and CIA to essentially CHOOSE the Democratic Nominee.

But that could never happen again could it? That couldn't be why Bush is raising more money than he could possibly need? He would never dump it in Dean's coffers via the internet. He would never actively try to support the Dean campaign by having Repubs say they were scared of Dean on Fox News? Gee that doesn't inflame the base does it?

Get with the program, folks. Bush will do anything--ANYTHING--to avoid his father's fatal flaw--allowing the economy to become the issue. This has been his strategy since the DAY he took office. And good left-wingers are playing into his hands.

[w13rd0]

7. "And good left-wingers are..."

Interesting choice of words...

I think I'm going to dismiss you now. The Bush regime has been a failure in SO MANY ways that we don't have to just choose one "safe path" of attack. We can attack the lead up to war, his prosecution of the 'war on terror', the economy, the environment, his subservience to the desires of the Saudis and his other campaign contributors...

[deutsey]

9. Gosh, it must be such a burden

to be the only one among all us brainwashed zombies to Know What Really Happened.

Please, give us bit more credit. I'm very well-versed in what happened in "Watergate", ranging from the official version on out to the theories that it was linked to the JFK assassination.

[LeahMira]

12. Republicans give $$$ to anyone???

I hope every one is aware that Watergate wasn't just about breaking in and stealing campaign secrets. It was
about using the FBI and CIA to essentially CHOOSE the Democratic Nominee.

But that could never happen again could it? That couldn't be why Bush is raising more money than he could
possibly need? He would never dump it in Dean's coffers via the internet...


Yes, indeed, I do remember Watergate. So you really think Bush believes that he could run against Howard Dean and win? Do you think Mr. Dean just fell off the turnip wagon?

There are a few things to think about here. One is that it's a long, long way to convention time and even a longer way to election time. Whatever Mr. Dean's shortcomings may be (and sure, he has them... we all do!), the Democrats as a group select their candidate and their combined wisdom will be a factor is deciding who runs against Bush.

Secondly, the war is very troubling to all of us. People in the U.S. see their job security linked to the war in that increased spending on defense is going to mean loss of any security they might have built up over time... like their pensions and their social security and their personal savings. People can ride out a period of joblessness, but to have absolutely nothing to look forward to in one's senior years is an entirely different situation.

Thirdly, if you get caught up in conspiracy theories you will wind up chasing your own tail. I totally realize that there is no depth of depravity to which the Bush administration will not stoop, but I think it's also wise not to hasten to a disaster. Keep your eyes peeled for what they do try, but don't go imagining everything that they could possibly try or you will be ineffective.

Finally, I tend to think that whatever Bush doesn't use for his campaign will be dumped into his own coffers, not into Mr. Dean's coffers. Once Republicans get their hands on your money they never, never let go.

[farmbo]

6. Check the By-Line, you dolt :)..This is by David Brooks, GOP Operative

Since when have we started to take he and Karl Rove at face value? Are we supposed to start believing him now that he's bashing your nemisis?

And why isn't a single one of these "leading GOP Polsters" willing to give their names for attribution? Very strange indeed!

Sorry, CC, you've been Roved again.

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[realFedUp]

10. dupe

there's already a thread on this original opinion column
by David Brooks.

[jarab]

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