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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:36 PM
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Torture In The U.S. Gulag (CBS News)
<snip> Up until now the Administration's response to its multifront human-rights scandal has been characterized by the defiant evasions of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Now, the line has shifted to outright deception. Fact: If the testimony of ex-prisoners figures significantly in the story, it's because the Administration has persistently blocked human rights investigators' access to current detainees at Bagram, Guantánamo and Abu Ghraib. Fact: AI's report is primarily based not on ex-prisoner interviews but on sources like the Pentagon's own Independent Panel to Review Department of Defense Detention Operations and court-martial testimony.

For three and a half years, AI, Human Rights Watch and other monitoring groups, frustrated by official stonewalling, have maintained a cautious approach to torture allegations. It has taken repeated breaches in the Administration's wall of secrecy -- through investigative reporting, the ACLU's FOIA requests and court orders -- to document the patterns Amnesty describes. And scarcely a week goes by without further supporting evidence. Just days before Bush's remarks, the New York Times detailed cover-ups in the sadistic killings of two prisoners at Bagram. No sooner did Newsweek, under Pentagon pressure, retract its Koran-desecration story than reports of Koran desecrations emerged from the Defense Department's own records. Lieut. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez assured the Senate Armed Services Committee that he "never approved" the use of intensive sleep deprivation, guard dogs and excessive noise in interrogations at Abu Ghraib. Now the latest document cache obtained by the ACLU includes a memo over Sanchez's signature, dated September 14, 2003, explicitly approving techniques for "significantly increasing the fear level in a detainee" -- including (surprise!) sleep deprivation, noise and "presence of military working dogs."

Bush may find Amnesty's charges "absurd," but the debate has already moved from whether the United States is a purveyor of torture to what to do about it. Slowly, instruments of legality and due process, within and outside the United States, are encircling US policy. In late May the United Nations Commission Against Torture ruled that Sweden violated the Convention Against Torture when it "rendered" asylum-seeker Ahmed Agiza to Egypt on a CIA flight. It is only a matter of time before the commission -- to which the US is a signatory -- turns to the United States itself. In Britain the Law Lords are preparing to consider whether evidence coerced through torture abroad is admissible in its courts. The same question now shadows Washington: Two doctors who examined American student Abu Ali, awaiting trial for allegedly plotting to assassinate Bush, have concluded that the young man was tortured in Saudi Arabia after his arrest.

Guantánamo's hundreds do not compare with Stalin's millions, but the gulag is a fair analogy -- how else to describe an international network of cells and interrogation centers holding prisoners without charge, for indeterminate terms, beyond reach of any court? But Bush's torture system and his obsession with secret executive authority are shaped by the contradictions of democracy: courts that won't cooperate, legislators who ask questions, reporters who drag secrets into the light. Harnessing those forces -- whether through Congressional committees, new legal actions or citizen protests -- is today's great task.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/03/opinion/main699624.shtml
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jasmeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:40 PM
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1. Nice! n/t
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:42 PM
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2. And the people clamor "Four more years, four more years"
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:13 AM
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7. Turning my stomach with that thought.
It's like watching the State Of The Union Speech, thinking about people clammoring for *ush just makes me sick to my stomach.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 06:47 PM
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3. The original version is in The Nation
Please click here.

It would be nice if CBS aired this with some video, and I don't mean on a Saturday.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 07:22 PM
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4. Thanks. eom
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-04-05 07:51 PM
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5. Rec
Any Government that uses torture as a tool of state is a failed
government & it's only a matter of time before they use it on their
own dissident citizens as well.

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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:04 AM
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6. Profoundly, and historically true!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:56 AM
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8. "Guantánamo's hundreds do not compare with Stalin's millions, but the ...
... gulag is a fair analogy..."

Everyone, focus. Those words are in a report from CBSNews entitled "Torture in the US Gulag"!

Specifically, they continue:


Bush may find Amnesty's charges "absurd," but the debate has already moved from whether the United States is a purveyor of torture to what to do about it. Slowly, instruments of legality and due process, within and outside the United States, are encircling US policy.

Link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/03/opinion/main699624.shtml


Bush and his neoconster fellow criminals will not escape. "We The People" must be the ones to bring them, peacefully, to justice.

Peace.


Emad Hajjaj, Al-Ghad Newspaper, Amman, Jordan

www.missionnotaccomplished.us - How ever long it takes, the day must come when tens of millions of caring individuals peacefully but persistently defy the dictator, deny the corporatists cash flow, and halt the evil being done in Iraq, and in all the other places the Bu$h neoconster regime is destroying civilization and the environment in the name of "America."
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 03:08 AM
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9. At last some truth: "Now, the line has shifted to outright deception."
Edited on Sun Jun-05-05 03:13 AM by Nothing Without Hope
This is a hopeful sign - some truth is breaking through the cracks in the stonewall.

edited to add; the article page has a link to a VIDEO presentation: "Guantanamo Bay Accusations"

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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 12:39 PM
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11. That line is remarkable......
finally, the MSM is calling a spade a spade with the Bush Administration.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 10:09 AM
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10. Harness the forces - or supress them?
But Bush's torture system and his obsession with secret executive authority are shaped by the contradictions of democracy: courts that won't cooperate, legislators who ask questions, reporters who drag secrets into the light. Harnessing those forces -- whether through Congressional committees, new legal actions or citizen protests -- is today's great task.

For us, yes this is the great task. Meanwhile for *&co the great task is how in the hell to obstruct, suppress and if need be, punish those who dare to bring their secrets into the light.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-05-05 09:02 PM
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12. Even if it isn't a "gulag", it sure isn't the American way of justice.
"Guantánamo's hundreds do not compare with Stalin's millions, but the gulag is a fair analogy -- how else to describe an international network of cells and interrogation centers holding prisoners without charge, for indeterminate terms, beyond reach of any court?"

Anyone got a word? Is it "American" or "freedom" or "justice"? What IS a fair analogy to such a state?
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