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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:20 PM
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In my occasional viewing of this board, I come across some of you brave souls who have a family member who has been converted to a rabid neo-con,freeper,or Repug sympathizer. I've,to this point,been apathetic to this, but now that apathy has become sympathy. It has happened to me.

In a phone call to my sister tonight, I was telling her about an incident we (girlfriend and I) had. I had an accident during sex, and we had to invest in the morning after pill. "That's fucking bullshit" she screamed. "How could you kill an innocent life, just when it was beginning?". Being tolerant of her opinion, I said "Nicole, it was in our best interest, I'm not financially ready for a child, nor is she mature enough to be a mother." She then replied "It's still wrong, and I'll never forgive you for this, and neither will God!"

I then told her "I'm a Buddhist, Nicole." She then said "You are really condemned to hell now, I hope you burn sinner!". She then handed the conversation to our mother.

The irony is, I have been 100% supportive of my sister throughout the days. She has a history of drug use, and is now pregnant with a child, to whom the father is a washover Meth fiend. My patience is growing weary. What do you guys think?
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:22 PM
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1. My opinion? Cut her off.
Her loss. Your gain.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:24 PM
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2. oh, this is a tough one
you must remember to forgive and release the feelings-but then as a Buddhist, you also understand that this can be very difficult to do. I wish you the very best.
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true_notes Donating Member (740 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:28 PM
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3. Yeah
This isn't making my life any easier with the trouble I'm in over here.
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:29 PM
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4. What do I think? I think it's good you're a Buddhist
because most people person would've called her a total hypocrite and just hung up.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:32 PM
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5. Wow. Your girlfriend is taking the Morning-After Pill "just in case"
and your sister Assumes that a life has already started. She must have some psychic insight the rest of us don't.

Also sounds like there's some projection going on: her own situation might be one she wishes she could get out of, but can't see the way due to her beliefs. I pity her.

It is very understandable that your patience is growing thin. I wouldn't necessarily 'cut her off', but I wouldn't be reaching out to her, either.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 06:51 PM
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6. Kudos to you for doing the responsible, mature thing...
being responsible about one's personal procreation is a virtue. You are to be commended.

As for your sister, I see many holes in her argument. Starting with her statment "you kill an innocent life" - there is no way possible for her (or you) to know whether a ova was fertilized or not. She is making accusations about something that she doesn't know whether happened or not.

Next, unless she is a direct conduit and God is speaking directly to her in her ear, she has no way of knowing whether God would forgive you or not, even if she had 100% pure knowledge of a wrong-doing. Most Christians, followers of Jesus' teachings of love and forgiveness.

Your sister is voicing some sort of distorted teaching that she has apparantly been indoctrinated into. Has it helped her with her drug problems, her pregnancy and her life issues? Perhaps you can rationalize it all if you see that they have done her good. It's more difficult if you don't see that they have helped her.

I think, for a while, you are going to need to set some boundaries with her. Tell her that she is not allowed to speak to you in such a manner. It is abusive for one person to make religious accusations to another and presume to speak for God. If she values you in her life, she will need to refrain from abusing you in such a way.

Reassure her of your love and suport, but tell her that cannot allow her to speak to you in such ways. That's not her role in your life. Then be firm in your conversations with her and if they turn to such accusations, cut off the conversation.

It's really hard, and she may choose her religiousity over you. That's a chance that you take.

And perhaps, now that you know where she stands, perhaps you need to avoid telling her things that will trigger such reactions.

It's so hard to see politics and religion tearing people apart these days. I'm sorry this has happened between you and your sister. For your own peace of mind, keep forgiving her and pray that she finds a religious practice/belief that brings her more peace and happiness than the one she has currently chosen.


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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-19-05 08:45 PM
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7. She's mistaken about how the pill works
The odds of a fertilized egg not implanting (flushing down the toilet) are GREATER without the pill than with it.

If (and it's a big if because medical science defines pregnancy by when the egg is implanted, not when it's fertilized) ... if she believes a flushed fertilized egg is a death, she should support the use of the pill, not oppose it.

The morning after pill can't terminate an already established pregnancy.
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