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Linette Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 04:47 AM
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James Kroeger's great defense of "Big Government"
Economist James Kroeger's defense of "Big Government" is absolutely brilliant. Here are some excerpts:

"...As we shall see, when voters choose to have the government provide them with those services, it is usually a decision to buy a higher quality-of-product over the low-cost alternative (the private sector)..."

"...How so? Well, what if we were to rely on the private sector instead of the government for our highways & sewer systems? We’d find ourselves having to put up with certain “inconveniences”, like toll booths every few miles. Private sector sewerage & highway monopolies would be no more efficient than government monopolies and they wouldn’t have to answer to voters so we would definitely want our privately-owned highway & sewerage industries to be very price-competitive. But in order for that to occur, we would need to have multiple firms and parallel highways & sewer lines. This would not only result in a very inefficient use of our land resources; it would also provide us with a quality-of-product that is far inferior to that which the public sector is currently able to provide for us..."

"...If there is a chronic problem with long wait times for government services, that means that there is a chronic problem with understaffing, given the level of demand for services. Why are government agencies understaffed? Because they are under-funded. You can only hire additional staff if you have the funds to pay them. Ultimately, the primary blame for understaffed, “poor quality” government agencies belongs with the elected officials who appropriate funds and raise the revenue that is needed. What we have seen in the past several decades is that “anti-government” politicians have been successful in tarnishing the quality reputation of government programs by denying them the funding that they need to provide quality services. So even though government organizations have the potential to provide services of the highest quality to society, it is still possible for anti-government political parties to sabotage that potentiality through deliberate underfunding..."

"...Ultimately, the opponents of Big Government do not really care about the poor quality-of-product generated by government programs they have underfunded. In fact, they like it that way because poor-quality government services are cheaper, and that means that they pay less in taxes to the government.  Then, after they’ve succeeded in degrading the quality of government-provided services, they have the political opportunity to say, “Look! I told you that the government always provides lousy service compared to the private sector!” Blaming government institutionalism for the poor results that they are responsible for, themselves, is a favorite political stratagem of anti-government zealots. A great example of this in economic history occurred during the Great Depression."

"In the mid-term elections of 1938, Republican politicians pointed out that the Roosevelt administration had failed to end the depression in spite of the dramatic increase in government spending that had occurred during the previous five years. They pointed to this ‘failure’ as evidence that increases in government spending will not fix an economy that is mired in recession. Only a few years later, the inanity of that argument was revealed. When government spending skyrocketed during World War II, the Great Depression ended almost overnight. The reason why the Great Depression dragged on as long as it did was not because fiscal stimulus initiatives failed; it was because the dedicated efforts of the Republican opposition succeeded in limiting federal government spending increases to levels that were insufficient to restore the economy to full-employment spending levels. Today, we can see clearly that it was the Republican Party that was responsible for both the length and depth of the Great Depression."

Great, great stuff. And very useful...

Linette

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:17 AM
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1. not a fan of big government
it's bad for the people, IMO.

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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:27 AM
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2. Who determines what is "big govt" ?
The current version of government is certainly bigger than say, Clinton's government, and it is certainly hurting the people. But it does not have to be that way, it is the policies that are hurting people. The article makes good points and if it takes a large administration to accomplish good, and the policies work that way, for the people, how is it too big? That whole argument about "big govt" is just a right-wing talking point. They want to do away with regulations and rules for big business, and the services for the people.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 05:54 AM
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3. my dislike of big govt has nothing to do with talking points
and I am not a republican.

Historically, large centralized government has not served the people. While I understand your premise in theory, in practice it simply doesn't work that way.

Just because a government is small doesn't mean that corporations are left unregulated. The best way to regulate corporations is to treat them with the same arm's-length approach our founding fathers took -- specifically stating that corporations are, in fact, not individuals and should not be treated as such by the government.

I am NOT for big business running wild and destroying the planet. However, I'm not for big government telling me what's best for me and how to live my life. Historically (in EVERY instance of big government) this has been the case.

Bureaucracies simply do not serve the people, but only exist to further the bureaucracy itself, IMO.

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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:32 AM
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4. I am not suggesting you are a rethug...
or that you, personally, are espousing their particular talking point. And you are right, small govt does not necessarily equate to unregulated business. But that is one of the central arguments for the current group of people behind this particular administration. Call it the Enron model of business.
Now you say you are "not for BIG government telling me what's best for me and how to live my life". My guess is that you would not like small govt doing this either.
I would like to ask, what instances has big govt infringed on your particular rights? Please know, that I am not trying to be a smart ass, I really want to know.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:10 PM
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7. I find the entire concept of institution to be flawed
and big government is the poster child for the notion of institution.

How have they infringe on my rights?

-- They tax me without representation.

-- They make laws attempting to legislate my morality.

-- They create a Kafkaesque, inaccessible system for which there is no realistic method for redress of grievances -- a.k.a. a bureaucracy.

How do they infringe on my rights?

-- The government hangs over our head constantly. It is a millstone around the neck of anyone who's paying attention.

If I want to build a house, I have to follow government regulations. If I want to drive a car or take a mate, I have to okay that with the government. If I want to sell that car or break up with that mate, I have to okay that with the government, too. If I want to put something in my body, I have to okay that with the government.

I have no right to take my own life, if I choose.

From cradle to grave we are ushered through life via our social security numbers. Where is the dignity in that? Where is the freedom in that?

And these problems all result from the modern industrialized notion of institution.

Big Religion, Big Politics, Big Education, Big Business...Big Money they're all institution that we created.

Let me say that again: We created these institutions.

Yet now the concepts we created to protect us, to make our lives better, are ultimately making our lives a living hell. And you know what? There's not a damn thing we can do about it (at least you would think that this is true from how people act), because the bureaucracy, once small, is now a monstrous labyrinth navigable only to those inside the system in positions of power. To those of us on the outside, there is only the sound of the Michael Jackson trial, or the news that the SCOTUS ruled that our property can be seized on a whim.

Tell me, what rights haven't been violated by this institution otherwise known as Big Government that we created to steward us through life? Unless you happen to be one of the privelged class, your rights are violated constantly, and you've just gotten so used to it that you don't think a thing about it.

Anyone who has to work for a living is a slave to institution in this country, IMO.


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Linette Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 04:14 AM
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6. Large centralized governments
do not serve the people if they are run by bad people. If Democrats don't believe they can fix the govennment so that it will work for the good of the people, then what are they involved in politics for?
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-27-05 01:18 PM
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8. the only reason I'm involed in politics, is because
it chose to involve itself with me.

You can never assume that there will always be good people in charge. And even if there are 'good' people, you can't be sure that they'll always do the right thing.

What might be right for some may not be right for others.

This is one of the core concepts of Freedom and Liberty in this country, and one of the things that any Big Government, by defintion, will try and exterminate.

If politics wants to screw itself up, that's fine by me, but when it tries to screw me, that's where I draw the line.

Mr Wallace don't like to be f***** by nobody but Mrs. Wallace."
-- Pulp Fiction.
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-26-05 06:54 AM
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5. It is great stuff. It flies in the face of the repuke mantra
big government is bad, deregulation good, big government bad, deregulation good....

There is a place for government regulation and control. As this country grows bigger than so does our government. Deregulation has brought us wonderful things like ENRON, Saving and Loan scandal, power outages. Regulation and a large government isn't the problem it's the people in the government who lie cheat and steal our tax dollars. I bet if we got rid of all the graft and corruption in the US government right now, we would have no debt.
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