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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 01:02 PM
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Rove Goes Down in Plames!!!
Rove Goes Down In Plames

A logical analysis of the foundational story:

All data suggest the positive: one or more indictments for Rove and at least one more for another "high administration official," resulting to a loss of Republican credibility as the party of high morality and personal responsibility.

We know there were 6 calls because 6 contacts were reported made (Miller, Cooper, Novak, Pincus among them). We know 3 contacts confirmed their stories with another "high administration official."

Therefore

1.) 1 man (named Rove by Cooper) made all 6 calls (which reduces the contention that he "unknowingly" provided Plame's identity laughable). But he would also have had to make sure that there were a few other "high administration officials" ready and willing to confirm his story, which means "coordination" (see how I'm avoiding "conspiracy"?). Did Rove act as a mastermind telling others his informatin and letting them know they should confirm it if asked before "unknowingly" releasing Plame's identity 6 times? Was this coordination "unknowing" as well? What does "knowing" mean? Repeated deliberate acts and coordinating with others for future support suggest strong and clear intentions. It has "knowledgeable design," maybe even creative, written all over it.

or,

2.) more than 1 person (Rove and at least one other) made the 6 calls. (The fact that one source released Cooper from his agreement of confidentiality but one source did not release Miller suggest at least 2 sources.) Then Rove would have more to coordinate! To establish guidelines like: No source should call another's contact, Pitch the information in an off-hand manner, not as the main subject, Make the contact think the source is trying to do him or her a favor ("Don't go too far out on this Wilson thing, I don't want you burnt."), etc. AND Rove would have had to field a group of officials to support the sources' stories as above.

I say Rove coordinated because it is obvious he did so since anyone in the administration in possession of the Plame-Wilson-CIA link would have gone straight to the world master of deceitful politics, and now we know Rove was at least one of the leakers.


So, in the first case we have at least 2 indictments for Rove (exposing and conspiring to expose) and (perhaps) 1 or more indictments for others (confirming and condoning the exposure while furthering it).

But in the second case we have at least 2 for Rove (same as above, but more evidence of conspiracy) and 1 or more clearcut indictments for others (both leakers and confirmers for exposure).

And then we haven't even begun to ask the question of how Rove got the information. (Doesn't leaking the information to him also constitute a crime?)


There are probably a great many other issues. Perhaps Miller gave her source the Plame identity as some reports suggest. Perhaps all the reporters confirmed their stouries multiple times. Etc. But the baseline is probably in #1 or #2 above.


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 01:03 PM
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1. Link?
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 01:11 PM
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5. Not a linked story. Sounds lke headline (of my dreams) but
information from what we know + very simple logic.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 01:04 PM
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2. That is a great headline.
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 01:04 PM
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3. Love....
the headline..
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 01:05 PM
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4. The story of Cooper being released is dodgy.
Basically, Cooper's lawyer spoke to Rove's lawyer and re-affirmed the original waiver. Nothing more. They say.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 01:57 PM
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6. Forgot to mention, prosecutor will look a many possible violations.
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 02:05 PM by skip fox
Beside the law that prohibits disclosure of a CIA covert operative's identity, there must be laws that prohibit use of classified material for political purposes.


Bush's brain becomes Bush's brain tumor.
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 11:52 AM
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7. Applies today more than ever.
Another point, the e-mail description of conversation with Rove is just one mention of potentially many then and in subsequent visits.
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