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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:48 AM
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NYT Magazine Cover Story: "The Framing Wars" (A Must-Read!)...
The Framing Wars
By MATT BAI
Published: July 17, 2005 (NYT Sunday Magazine)

First four paragraphs:

After last November's defeat, Democrats were like aviation investigators sifting through twisted metal in a cornfield, struggling to posit theories about the disaster all around them. Some put the onus on John Kerry, saying he had never found an easily discernable message. Others, including Kerry himself, wrote off the defeat to the unshakable realities of wartime, when voters were supposedly less inclined to jettison a sitting president. Liberal activists blamed mushy centrists. Mushy centrists blamed Michael Moore. As the weeks passed, however, at Washington dinner parties and in public post-mortems, one explanation took hold not just among Washington insiders but among far-flung contributors, activists and bloggers too: the problem wasn't the substance of the party's agenda or its messenger as much as it was the Democrats' inability to communicate coherently. They had allowed Republicans to control the language of the debate, and that had been their undoing.

Even in their weakened state, Democrats resolved not to let it happen again. And improbably, given their post-election gloom, they managed twice in the months that followed to make good on that pledge. The first instance was the skirmish over the plan that the president called Social Security reform and that everybody else, by spring, was calling a legislative disaster. The second test for Democrats was their defense of the filibuster (the time-honored stalling tactic that prevents the majority in the Senate from ending debate), which seemed at the start a hopeless cause but ended in an unlikely stalemate. These victories weren't easy to account for, coming as they did at a time when Republicans seem to own just about everything in Washington but the first-place Nationals. (And they're working on that.) During the first four years of the Bush administration, after all, Democrats had railed just as loudly against giveaways to the wealthy and energy lobbyists, and all they had gotten for their trouble were more tax cuts and more drilling. Something had changed in Washington -- but what?

Democrats thought they knew the answer. Even before the election, a new political word had begun to take hold of the party, beginning on the West Coast and spreading like a virus all the way to the inner offices of the Capitol. That word was ''framing.'' Exactly what it means to ''frame'' issues seems to depend on which Democrat you are talking to, but everyone agrees that it has to do with choosing the language to define a debate and, more important, with fitting individual issues into the contexts of broader story lines. In the months after the election, Democratic consultants and elected officials came to sound like creative-writing teachers, holding forth on the importance of metaphor and narrative.

Republicans, of course, were the ones who had always excelled at framing controversial issues, having invented and popularized loaded phrases like ''tax relief'' and ''partial-birth abortion'' and having achieved a kind of Pravda-esque discipline for disseminating them. But now Democrats said that they had learned to fight back. ''The Democrats have finally reached a level of outrage with what Republicans were doing to them with language,'' Geoff Garin, a leading Democratic pollster, told me in May.


Entire Article (Long, but crucial reading!):

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/magazine/17DEMOCRATS.html?

TC
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:14 AM
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1. Framing is just another name for "Drawing an Analogy".
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 10:16 AM by Sir Derek
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:35 AM
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2. I also think it has to do with...
painting a picture in words, and choosing the correct words to "paint" that picture.

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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:50 AM
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3. Painting a picture with words is the same thing as drawing an
analogy. You can also support the analogy with pure pictures. For example, Kerry was called a "flip-flopper", a sort of fish flipping back and forth, and that word image was reinforced with the image of him zig-zagging back and forth across the waves on his wind board. These analogies were drawn to represent Kerry's position on support for the illegal war on Iraq.

The framer's in the Demo Party are trying to create the image of lying snake oil salesmen, to draw a comparison, or analogy, with the Republican plans for Social Security.
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Totally Committed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 01:12 PM
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10. Respectfully, I disagree semantically...
Drawing an analogy is using a word or phrase means the same thing. Framing is using carefully chosen words for an effect. to me, "drawing an analogy" is a pencil drawing, while "framing" is an oil painting.

Just my opinion, though.

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:54 AM
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7. not really. analogies involve some type of relation to the truth
which framing does not require.

What's more, framing refers to creating the structure in which a debate exists, not the debate itself. Framing is a bogus ploy, and should not be allowed by any group, IMO.

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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 12:01 PM
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8. True analogies relate to the truth but false analogies don't. One can
draw a false analogy between things that have nothing in common.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 08:47 PM
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13. but it's also about not accepting the GOP frames
it's about resisiting the urge to be defensive, and putting forth our own arguements in a persuasive way.
i fail to see how this is inherently bad. i keep hearing this means it must somehow involve an attempt at deception.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:53 AM
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4. Framing is marketing manipulation
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 11:02 AM by omega minimo
and the public recognizes it for what it is. It will backfire on Democrats who presume to creatively manipulate an audience they consider beneath their level. Framing does not engage-- it distances the audience from the message.

"Republicans, of course, were the ones who had always excelled at framing controversial issues, having invented and popularized loaded phrases like ''tax relief'' and ''partial-birth abortion'' and having achieved a kind of Pravda-esque discipline for disseminating them."

"....Pravda-esque discipline for disseminating them." Fight propaganda with propaganda and what have you got?

"But now Democrats said that they had learned to fight back. ''The Democrats have finally reached a level of outrage with what Republicans were doing to them with language,'' Geoff Garin, a leading Democratic pollster, told me in May."

Democrats have not reached a level of outrage with what Republicans are doing with language-- they want to replicate it! They are not "fighting back;" they are fighting bullshit with bullshit.

The salt o' the earth, independents and undecideds that Democrats need to reach are repulsed by euphimistic, think-tanked marketing-speak.

The concept of carefully crafted language is valuable. However, Democratic "framing" fans fall into the trap of thinking they are superior to or separate from the folks they need to reach.

Focus on delivery of "loaded phrases" and pretty soon you need a catapult.
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Sir Derek Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:20 AM
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5. There are false analogies and there are true analogies. I don't
Edited on Sun Jul-17-05 11:22 AM by Sir Derek
necessarily see the need to engage in spreading false analogies in order to combat someone who is. I can draw an analogy of the one misusing language by comparing him to a con artist who sells straw dogs to blind children. Analogies offer a very effective means of simplification. They can put things into perspective. If the Democrats simply content themselves with using false analogy, they will be no better than the propagandists in the Republican Party. However, I see no reason why they need to constrain themselves in that way and remove themselves from the field of battle because of the dubious nature of that sort of activity.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 11:34 AM
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6. Ha! Republicans "Frame" Disinformation, Misinformation and Lies."
How does one defend oneself against this? By calling out lies with evidence and not jabbering on endlessly like Mehlman. I don't think it's in our nature to be able to do "Repug Robot Speak." And, the MS Corporate Controlled Media doesn't allow the time for anything else these days which involves "discussion and nuance." MS Corporate Contolled Media has allowed the "Robot Speak" to go on and we are supposed to learn it or not be able to compete?

We could do better, though. Redirecting the conversation might be a way for Democrats to "Reframe." I just don't see any Democrat turning into Rove, Rice, McClellan or Mehlman, Fund, Coulter or Malkin. What would be the point. Two sides going at each other in a food fight? But, constantly being hammered down by the bullies hasn't worked well, either. Or, we have to wait for the load of lies to eventually crush the RW Repugs under it's own weight before the American people get a chance to hear "discussion." :shrug:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 01:52 PM
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11. Not all of us are buying this-- the public won't either
There is a big clue in what we need to do in your question:

"Or, we have to wait for the load of lies to eventually crush the RW Repugs under it's own weight before the American people get a chance to hear "discussion.""

We don't want to (or Dems should be careful of) imitating the bullshit artists and mental marketers too closely. But we are living through bully times where might makes right and a lot of Democrats are still playing the same games as the Repugs are. Your "food fight" description is perfect. Everyone is so covered in slime, no one notices that the pResident has egg on his face.

Here's to discussion and nuance. :toast:
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 10:17 PM
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16. redirecting the conversation is a huge part of this.....
a big point of it is just rejecting the bullshit premise -- as in the Plame case that this is about joe wilson, we say no, it's about rove leaking, and we keep saying it, because it's the truth, and it's the most important truth.
if you don't put out your own message you go nowhere. we can not spend all our time defending ourselves. then we allow them to control the message.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:23 PM
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15. how can one campaign with no message or marketing?
how is this realistic at all?
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 01:06 PM
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9. This whole article was it seemed to me another example of disinformation
trying to show that Dems can't even get together on Lakoff's message or any message, insinuating that Dems problem is with their philosophy and not framing, or finding a clever message to express what they believe in.

I thought the article was disgusting...as towards the end it drifted off into a veiled attack by saying that Pelosi and Reid couldn't even get their stories straight over whether they were using Lakoff's principles or not.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 02:13 PM
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12. Interesting read, I really enjoyed the insight into the Dems changes
Good for them.

:kick:
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-17-05 09:11 PM
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14. My favorite quote:
"A year ago, Lakoff was an obscure linguistics professor at Berkeley, renowned as one of the great, if controversial, minds in cognitive science but largely unknown outside of it."

"Cognitive science" here is not what a psychologist would understand by the name. And "science" is pushing the limits of that term well into fairly meaningless fuzz. There's a branch of linguistics that fancies itself cognitive science, but it deals almost entirely with post hoc analyses of data that work out right. The term "cognitive linguistics" better describes them, and Langacker's the big, big name in the dominant part of that field. Of course, I can think of three distinct "cognitive linguistics". Langacker's is sort of like Lakoff's.

As for conceptual structures, Jackendoff gets the lion's share of the fame for that.

Lakoff's oddly self-styled "cognitive science" is but a small bit of a small subfield. He might be 'great' in it. But it's like being a great mycologist. Berkeley continues to have a rather ... eccentric set of linguistics faculty.

(And he gets credit for the term 'framing' ... most of the rest is early-mid advertising insights.)
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