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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:09 AM
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A Jar of Red Herrings. A Wall Str. Journ. person yestday said that Joe

Wilson was totally discredited by a bipartison committee. He was talking about Joe Wilson's Niger report. Does anyone know of this bipartison congressional committee?


http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/opinion/19tue1.html


July 19, 2005

A Jar of Red Herrings




......In a situation like this, it's not possible for politicians, prosecutors, judges or other journalists to parse a confidentiality agreement from the outside. The reporter, and the editors who are the writer's immediate supervisors, are the only ones who truly understand the nuances of the case. More broadly, it is up to the source, not the reporter, to speak out. If Mr. Rove or any other officials involved were really concerned about getting out the truth, all they would need to do would be to stand up in public and tell it.

Joseph Wilson's report This is one of the biggest red herrings in this case - that administration officials were simply attempting to wave reporters off an erroneous story about this report.

In July 2003, Mr. Wilson wrote an Op-Ed article in The Times that described how he had been sent by the C.I.A. to investigate a report that Iraq had tried to buy uranium from Niger. He said he had found no evidence to support the claim of a uranium purchase, or even a serious attempt to negotiate one, and that he had reported this to Washington. That is entirely accurate. Mr. Rove knew it when he spoke to Mr. Cooper, and he tried to give the impression that Mr. Wilson was an unreliable person who had been sent to Niger only because of his wife's influence. In fact, Mr. Wilson had excellent credentials for the mission, and the entire Niger story had already been pretty thoroughly debunked by the time Mr. Cooper and Mr. Rove spoke.

What really bothered Mr. Rove was Mr. Wilson's view that the administration had deliberately twisted the intelligence on Iraq and that Mr. Bush had misled Americans about the need for war. We don't know whether top officials heard about Mr. Wilson's findings and ignored them, or whether the findings never reached the upper levels - at the time, dissenting views on Iraq were not getting much of an airing in the administration. There's a lot we don't know about this case. But these things are clear:

..........

• Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction.
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:14 AM
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1. Complete and utter bullshit..............
this was NOT totally discredited by ANY committee. Again, The Wall Street Journal exposes itself as an arm of the GOP propaganda machine. Total, utter, bullshit.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:51 AM
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10. thanks, as I could not recall any committee and he did not provide any
information. I think it was a msnbc show but not sure now which show he was talking on. But no on said he was wrong. He was just allowed to bladder on and on.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:18 AM
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2. What bugs me is, WTF does it matter?
I wouldn't care if Joe Wilson was a lying scumbag asshole traitor just like Karl Rove. The issue at hand is Rove's outing of Wilson's wife, compromising our fight against terrorists. Repukes up to their same old tactics of smearing the messenger.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:22 AM
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4. Agreed - Karl Leaked, and all they can do is replay "get Joe Wilson"
which was kinda tired the first time.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:20 AM
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3. John Fund of the Wall Street Jounal Opinion page is the Male Ann Coulter
As you see more and more of John Fund of the Wall Street Journal Opinion Page on TV, you will begin to realize he is not credible.

He also said Joe Wilson said his wife wasn't under cover when Novak article was published.

He is lying.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:53 AM
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11. whoever he was, he also said that Joe W. said his wife was NOT a covert
operator.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:08 AM
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15. HE WAS LYING -- he was repeated a FALSE AP STORY which was corrected
Edited on Tue Jul-19-05 08:25 AM by emulatorloo
http://mediamatters.org/items/200507150003

<snip>

AP falsely reported Wilson "acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job" when her identity was first publicly leaked

In a July 15 article reporting new details in the ongoing criminal investigation into the leak of CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity, the Associated Press distorted a remark by former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV to falsely report that Wilson "acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her." In fact, Wilson merely emphasized that his wife's cover was blown at the moment when columnist Robert D. Novak revealed her identity in a July 2003 column.

<snip>

OK, you have the google and internets too. . .I am done googling for you (for today at least!)
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:22 AM
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5. A Senate committee report-Sen. Roberts, I think.
A whitewash for Bush but apparently, buried on page 52, there is some admission that they can't really disprove what Wilson said. This was probably called an acceptable compromise by some particularly craven Democrat.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:54 AM
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12. sad
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:26 AM
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6. Apparently someone needs to provide a link to the story about Mr.
Fund, his ex-paramour, and her daughter.

He's not exactly a good guy.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:34 AM
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7. Like Bartcop always used to print:

"Hi, I'm John Fund. I beat women. Got any?"
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:36 AM
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8. It was a Senate Select Intelligence Committee...
Senators Roberts, Bond and Hatch did a real hatchet job on Wilson, his motivations and his wife in the "additional comments" section of the committee report.

Wilson has rebutted ALL of the GOP bullshit allegations in a letter to the committee. Read Wilson's letter here:

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/07/con05233.html

The letter is well woth reading...


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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:40 AM
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9. See also DU Thread Here, w Links Debunking. . . .
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 07:55 AM
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13. hey, thanks very much, I will and will send to msnbc also.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-19-05 08:02 AM
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14. msnbc is going a nice report of Jr raising the bar--from leakers to felons
before he would dismiss them his administration.
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