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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:09 AM
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New York Times’ Thomas Friedman libels opponents of Iraq war
There is a significant number of DUers that think very highly of Tom Friedman. I don't count myself among them! Like that other NY Times jewel of neocon sophistry, Judith Miller, Friedman played a key role in selling the WMD story on behalf of the neocons in the Bush Administration and in Ariel Sharon's government. Like Miller, Friedman has also written in support of military action against Syria and Iran.

Friedman is no friend of progressives. His ideological kind represents a cancer that has eaten away at the credibility of the American press, turning journalists into cheerleaders of imperialism.

NewYork Times’ Thomas Friedman libels opponents of Iraq war
By Joseph Kay
23 July 2005

The bombings in London have been accompanied by a campaign on the part of the political and media establishment to deny the obvious—that these attacks are the inexorable consequences of American and British foreign policy, above all the war in Iraq. A particularly provocative example of this campaign is Thomas Friedman’s column in the July 22 New York Times, entitled “Giving the Hatemonger No Place to Hide.”

Friedman levels against critics of the war policies of the Bush administration the vile charge that they are moral and political accomplices of those who carry out terrorist acts. “After every major terrorist incident,” he writes, “the excuse makers come out to tell us why imperialism, Zionism, colonialism or Iraq explains why the terrorists acted. These excuse makers are just one notch less despicable than the terrorists and deserve to be exposed.”

This smear comes from a man who has the benefit of a politically influential pulpit at the Times. In constructing this amalgam—grouping together those who would seek to explain the historical and political origins of terrorist acts with the terrorists themselves—Friedman provides an ideological justification for legal sanctions and even violence against opponents of government policies.

What does Friedman mean by “excuse makers?” Does Friedman expect anyone who is in any way familiar with the history of the Middle East to believe that the bombings in London and other terrorist attacks are unrelated to the policies of the American government and its allies, above all the British government of Tony Blair? Or that the bitter experience of colonialism, decades of violent political meddling in the region, the relentless efforts to control its resources, and the killing of tens of thousands of Moslems with American bombs in various wars have not produced a climate in which people are prepared to commit terrorist acts?

These are completely legitimate questions that must be asked and debated. Friedman’s provocative libel exposes his own contempt for democratic principles, not to mention his lack of political and professional scruples.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/jul2005/frid-j23.shtml


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5X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:22 AM
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1. friedman calls those who would ask why, one step below
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 06:26 AM by 5X
the terrorists. friedman is one step above the true terrorists,
the current occupants of the white house. By putting himself
above the frey, speaking from his high horse, he helped sell the
war, making himself worse than the neocons. We knew who the
neocons were. friedman tries to act as if he his above the partisan
fold, all the while promoting the conquest of the middle east for the
fascists.


edited for clarity.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:34 AM
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2. I also was struck by the shrill tone of Friedman' rant....
and it is a tone that seems to be echoed more and more among the geniuses who conceived and sold this catastrophe to a gullible public.

There's a lot of projection going on here. As their sense of guilt sinks in... at least unconciously... the crazier their outbursts toward their critics become.

The Times should pull the plug on Friedman until he can get a grip.
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WHAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:52 PM
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20. We have to kill them until they admit how bad they are...
This is the attitude that strikes me as being most ironic. Talk about projection.

Truth be told, I see it on both sides, but, the friedman side is more stylized/contrived ... and it has opposable thumbs.

Anyway, I agree with you.

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hadrons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:41 AM
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3. Friedman is a excuse-maker FOR imperialism, Zionism, colonialism or Iraq
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:42 AM
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4. friedman is an idiot.
nuff said. ;-)
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 06:59 AM
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5. Friendman is an ass
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firefox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 07:15 AM
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6. Fuck Friedman n/t
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 07:45 AM
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7. Friedman lost me when he backed the Iraq War.
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 07:52 AM by joemurphy
Prior to that time I thought he was fairly knowledgeable about the Middle East. But he chose to back Bush's military action against Iraq and, in doing so, bought into the neocon idea that somehow the Middle East could be remade by the United States into a group of shining new democracies -- a sort of Islamic Europe with lots of representative republics, all responsive to the collective will of their people and pacific in their purpose and intent. The Iraq intervention would have the twin results of repressing terrorism and solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That, in turn, was going to bring an era of peace to the Middle East.

Friedman's endorsement of the Iraq War came in a column in which he said that we "had to do something" to answer the 911 attacks. In espousing action, he was well-aware of the fact that there was no direct connection between Iraq and 911. But Friedman admittedly didn't care.

His "we had to do something" and "we can democratize the Middle East" ideas were departures from both his past journalism and from the realpolitik that he and his neocon friends had previously pretended to espouse. These ideas have since proven disastrous to both Iraq and to the U.S. Terrorism, the root cause of our intervention, is now worse than ever and instead of becoming a democracy, Iraq has become a chaos of daily bombings, assassinations, and war-profiteering.

A repressed and desperate country under Saddam, Iraq now may not be a country at all. Its public services are a shambles and its people more desperate than under Saddam. Iraq's ethnic and religious divisions have widened. The portents for its future are an American pullout, civil war and some kind of partition. While the U.S. fights to keep a lid on Iraq's internal contradictions, the Shiis move closer to Iran, the Sunnis feel themselves alienated, and the Kurds try to consolidate their position in anticipation of gaining the independence which has long been their aim. Foreign jihadists pour into the country and exploit Iraq's divisions and further destabilize the country. Suffice it to say that in Iraq we now have something akin to a Somalia or a pre-Taliban Afghanistan in the making.

Our "coalition of the willing" has now fallen apart. The Poles, Italians, Spaniards have rightly seen the current situation as hopeless and are pulling out. The British too, we now learn, have plans to follow.

For Americans, the Iraq war has meant a huge national debt, thousands of soldiers killed or maimed for life, an American democracy that countenances institutionalized torture at Abu Ghraib, indefinite internment of minors at Guantanamo, and a domestic immigration policy that has become increasingly xenophobic and discriminatory against people of Islamic belief. Jingoism is routinely used for political and ideological ends. We now debate laws in the halls of Congress which permit government agents to examine library records and to search homes without the knowledge of the citizenry. It is now feasible to imprison American citizens and hold them incommunicado based solely on an "enemy combatant" designation, without access to lawyers or due process. The government has used ridiculous color-codes and alarming news reports to ratchet up fear instead of quieting it and keeping it in perspective. We now have our bags searched before taking subway rides, entering public buildings, or attending sporting events. We now remove our shoes to ride airplanes. Security guards are everywhere.

Our military has been debilitated by a war without aims or an exit strategy. Our people have been coarsened and enured to an erosion of their ideals and their financial well-being. Worst of all, the situation seems to be deteriorating and not getting any better. Owing to a near absence of meaningful leadership, there appears to be no clear path out of our present malaise. Most Americans I know are not sanguine about our future.

Men like Friedman, the cheerleaders for our intervention in Iraq, have proven to be failed visionaries. In view of their grievous errors of judgment, they no longer merit being listened to now. Personally, I no longer care what Tom Friedman has to say about Iraq or about anything else. To hell with him, and the others like him, that got us into this mess.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 08:33 AM
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8. You've got a sort of mini-masterpiece there, Mr. M.......
...Really and truly. Haven't seen the whole situation summarized so well and analyzed so distinctly.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:37 AM
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9. Absolutely brilliant, joemurphy.
That was an informative and beautifully crafted piece. Thank you.

Mind if I pass this along to friends?
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:20 AM
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10. Go ahead. n/t
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:30 PM
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14. that is a picture perfect analysis
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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OETKB Donating Member (262 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:41 AM
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11. The biggest lie
There is also a deafening silence of meaning when Thomas Friedman makes his statements. He assumes that the oppositional political forces in Iraq are wonderful Boy Scout-like upstanding citizens. They are and have wreaked the same havoc as Mr. Hussein when he was in power. Does anyone doubt that this opposition would have done the same to the rest the population as Mr. Hussein has done?(a la the Kurds, radical Shiites, etc.)

Also with words like "bring it on," "they hate our freedom," "axis of evil," "we'll attack them there, so they don't come here," etc., this sets up a challenge for politically violent, nationalistic organized criminals. It is attacking the problem with the wrong end of the telescope. It is the hearts and minds of the people who are suffering from all this we must reach and provide a sense of security. This calls for the opposite of the neocon philosophy, which is divide and conquer, rather than cooperating with each other. The neocons thrive on chaos. For me, I will not choose a world where peace comes by harming other human beings. One can only dream can't they?
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 10:55 AM
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12. For reference: Friedman column of July 22
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 11:15 AM by Jack Rabbit
From The New York Times
Dated Friday July 22


Giving the Hatemongers No Place to Hide
By Thomas Friedman

I wasn't surprised to read that British police officers in white protective suits and blue gloves were combing through the Iqra Learning Center bookstore in Leeds for clues to the 7/7 London bombings. Some of the 7/7 bombers hung out at the bookstore. And I won't be surprised if today's bombers also sampled the literature there . . . .

Guess what: words matter. Bookstores matter. Video games matter. But here is our challenge: If the primary terrorism problem we face today can effectively be addressed only by a war of ideas within Islam - a war between life-affirming Muslims against those who want to turn one of the world's great religions into a death cult - what can the rest of us do?

More than just put up walls. We need to shine a spotlight on hate speech wherever it appears. The State Department produces an annual human rights report. Henceforth, it should also produce a quarterly War of Ideas Report, which would focus on those religious leaders and writers who are inciting violence against others . . . .

We also need to spotlight the "excuse makers," the former State Department spokesman James Rubin said. After every major terrorist incident, the excuse makers come out to tell us why imperialism, Zionism, colonialism or Iraq explains why the terrorists acted. These excuse makers are just one notch less despicable than the terrorists and also deserve to be exposed. When you live in an open society like London, where anyone with a grievance can publish an article, run for office or start a political movement, the notion that blowing up a busload of innocent civilians in response to Iraq is somehow "understandable" is outrageous. "It erases the distinction between legitimate dissent and terrorism," Mr. Rubin said, "and an open society needs to maintain a clear wall between them."

Read more.

I think Mr. Friedman has a defense here. Ok, what does he mean by excuse makers? I'd like to hear that from Mr. Friedman, rather than have Mr. Kay assume he knows the answer. Frankly, I might end up agreeing with Mr. Kay, but not before Friedman has his day in court.

It is true that Mr. Friedman supported the invasion of Iraq, foolishly in my opinion. In the run up to the war, Friedman presented reasons that might have better supported an argument for regime change in Iraq only after there was regime change in America. That is not to say I would have agreed with it even then, but at least we should recognize that Friedman's argument was different than the bogus claims of WMDs and terrorist affiliations adumbrated by the neoconservatives. It also presumed a reconstructing of Iraq for the benefit of Iraqis, although Mr. Friedman, a supporter of neoliberalism as a remedy to cure the ills of the developing world, doesn't seem to have a real clue as to how to go about this; nevertheless, it is still better than the cynical neoconservative plan (for want of a better word) to make war for the benefit of war profiteers. Presenting his arguments on the pages of The New York Times in the winter of 2002/03, Friedman always seemed to forget that the war would be the one Mr. Bush would wage, not the one Mr. Friedman wanted.

Since the end of the war, Mr. Friedman has been critical of the Bush regime's efforts in Iraq, but maintains that the US has a mission there that must be completed. No doubt that in the future, assuming a complete collapse of the US position in Iraq, Mr. Friedman will be among those pundits and historians who will blame that failure on the Bush regime for its lack of planning for the occupation; these people will assume that there was a plan that would work, while others, like Mr. Kay, will take the position that nothing would have worked. This will be a valid point of discussion for the next hundred years.

Mr. Kay accuses Mr. Friedman:

What does Friedman mean by “excuse makers?” Does Friedman expect anyone who is in any way familiar with the history of the Middle East to believe that the bombings in London and other terrorist attacks are unrelated to the policies of the American government and its allies, above all the British government of Tony Blair? Or that the bitter experience of colonialism, decades of violent political meddling in the region, the relentless efforts to control its resources, and the killing of tens of thousands of Moslems with American bombs in various wars have not produced a climate in which people are prepared to commit terrorist acts?

Mr. Kay's points might be well taken. The war on terror has not been fought honestly. Since Saddam's regime had no weapons and no working associations with international terrorists, one would be hard pressed to say that Iraq was invaded as part of a war on terror or for any other reason directly related to US national security. Since it seems more than likely that Mr. Bush, Prime Minister Blair and members of their respective inner circles were aware that the case for war was thin, necessitating justification by fixing intelligence and facts around the policy (i.e., dissembling and fabricating), one would have to conclude that there were ulterior motives for the invasion that were not spoken. The war was colonial piracy, pure and simple. Iraq's resources would be transferred to western transnational corporations through a colonial-style regime, complete with a colonial-style governor general in the person of Paul Bremer to lord it over the natives and make decisions effecting the long range future of Iraq's economy without the consent of the Iraqi people.

This is a legitimate grievance for the Iraqi people. So far, we score one point for Mr. Kay.

However, several questions should also be asked. The most obvious one is simply whether even this grievance justifies bombing transit systems in Madrid or London. I would maintain that it does not. And no matter how much one may oppose their policies and regard, as I do, Bush and Blair as war criminals, those bombs were set off by jihadists, not by Mr. Bush or Mr. Blair. One may understand why another may resort to armed robbery as a means to support himself; however, an armed robber still needs to taken off the streets as a matter of public safety.

Another question is whether the terrorists in Iraq represent the Iraqi people any more than Mr. Bremer did, or Dr. Allawi's puppet "interim" regime that succeeded him, or the present "transitional" regime. Making any assumption that they do or that they are representative of anti-colonial resistance would play into the hands of the Bush regime, which has consistently justified its leadership in the war against terror with a black-or-white fallacy (You're either with us or with the terrorists). That fallacy is an attempt to crush dissent.

Mr. Friedman has not bought into this fallacy. Indeed, his own writings, which I regard as wrongheaded in most respects, are a form of dissent against the Bush regime's policies. Mr. Kay almost concedes this point:

Friedman's statements are all the more contemptible given that he himself predicted that the war might lead to attacks. In a column published on December 8, 2002 Friedman wrote that it was necessary to prepare people “to deal with the blowback any US invasion will produce.” He stated that if the war is not managed correctly, and the right justifications are not put in the forefront, the United States would be seen as an aggressor and “the world will become an increasingly dangerous place for every American.”

Mr. Kay also says:

Friedman is attempting to block discussion of the nature and consequences of war by criminalizing dissent. If those rounded up in the “war on terrorism” are subject to torture, indefinite detention without charges and military tribunals, what does Friedman have in mind for those who occupy the position “one notch” below the terrorists?

The only thing with which I can agree with Mr. Kay in this paragraph is that Mr. Friedman's description of "excuse makers" as "one notch less dispicable than terrorists" is over the top. Otherwise, there are two things wrong with this paragraph. First, Mr. Friedman is not attempting to block discussion. He couldn't if he wanted; he is no more in control of police power now than he was in control of US policy prior to the war, when he warned against the folly of the Bushies' approach to Iraq. Second, Mr. Friedman has written pieces excoriating the Bush's regime's detention policies, including one urging that the facility at Guantánamo Bay be closed.

Consequently, if there is a smear, it is not so much is Mr. Kay smearing Mr. Friedman with all others who supported the invasion, as if one wrongheaded pundit or policymaker is just like the next. Thomas Friedman did not present the same reasons for going into Iraq as Donald Rumsfeld, does not suggest the same programs to rebuild Iraq as Dick Cheney and won't justify methods of interrogation approved by Alberto Gonzales.

Mr. Friedman has been wrong and continues to be wrong about Iraq. However, there are so many things wrong with Bush regime policy that one can dissent from it and still not have the right answers. That Bush regime policy is ill-considered, dishonest and even monstrous is clear. What to do in its place of it is an open question; while I disagree with Mr. Friedman, I will defend his right to be part of that discussion.
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 12:27 PM
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13. Friedman reminds me of the liberal scholars of the British Empire.
Celebrating thier devine mission to civilize the world.
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:33 PM
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15. K-W ....
I have really enjoyed your posts and replies on this stuff the last few days. These guys all have a white man's burden complex. And a inflated sense of self-worth and altruism. You've been dead on, on all of this stuff.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:47 PM
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16. Friedman is a war criminal worse as bad as Wolfowitz
he's a quisling collaborator and war criminal who used a position of ttrust to twist everything so that real liberals are terrorists and terrorists are inhuman and always have been.


He doesn't understand because he doesn't want to understand; he is the king of the willfully ignorant.



NY Times Neo con plant
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 07:01 PM
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21. Clear. concise and to the point. There are many students of the
Middle East who know more than Friedman and certainly have more to offer but they will never get the chance to be in the position he is in.
Everyday the Times publishes letters to the editor that are superior to the dribble this man puts out. So I conclude as you do:
"NY Times Neo con plant"

As for the workings of the Times and Neocon plants this article, though lengthy is a worthwhile read.
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/media/features/9226/index.html

"The Source of the Trouble
Pulitzer Prize winner Judith Miller’s series of exclusives about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq—courtesy of the now-notorious Ahmad Chalabi—helped the New York Times keep up with the competition and the Bush administration bolster the case for war. How the very same talents that caused her to get the story also caused her to get it wrong."
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 04:49 PM
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17. Friedman opens his mouth and shit pours out
It may be plagiarized shit or this is a concerted effort to stifle
criticism.



There are apologists amongst us


http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1532738,...

Within hours of the bombs going off two weeks ago, the voices that one could have predicted began to make themselves heard with their root-causes explanations for the murder and maiming of a random group of tube and bus passengers in London. It was due to Blair, Iraq, illegal war and the rest of it. The first voices, so far as I know, were those of the SWP and George Galloway, but it wasn't very long - indeed no time at all, taking into account production schedules - before the stuff was spreading like an infestation across the pages of this newspaper, where it has remained.

No words of dismay, let alone grief, could be allowed to pass some people's lips without the accompaniment of a "We told you so" and an exercise in blaming someone other than the perpetrators. No sense of what such a tragedy might call for or rule out on the first day. Exactly as if you were to hear from a distraught friend that her husband had just been murdered while walking in a "bad" neighbourhood, and to respond by saying you were sorry about this but it was foolish of him to have been walking there by himself. We had the same after 9/11; still, one nurtures the illusion that people learn. Evidently some don't.

It needs to be seen and said clearly: there are, among us, apologists for what the killers do. They make more difficult the fight to defeat them. The plea will be - it always is - that these are not apologists, they are merely honest Joes and Joanies endeavouring to understand the world in which we live. What could be wrong with that? What indeed? Nothing is wrong with genuine efforts at understanding; on these we all depend. But the genuine article is one thing, and root-causes advocacy seeking to dissipate responsibility for atrocity, mass murder, crime against humanity, especially in the immediate aftermath of their occurrence, is something else.

Note the selectivity in the way root-causes arguments function. Purporting to be about causal explanation rather than excuse-making, they are invariably deployed on behalf of movements or actions for which their proponent wants to engage our indulgence, and in order to direct blame towards some party towards whom he or she is unsympathetic.
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idlisambar Donating Member (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:20 PM
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18. Where are these folks hiding?
Edited on Sat Jul-23-05 05:20 PM by idlisambar
There is a significant number of DUers that think very highly of Tom Friedman


:shrug:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 05:28 PM
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19. Thas what I thot. Nobody on this board likely to be taken in by his...
sophistry. Just another hack without even the courage of his convictions.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-05 09:25 PM
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22. I just wrote Friedman and the NYT a scathing indictment of their
newspaper and their columnist. I feel much better. What a total jackass.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 05:09 PM
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24. His enthusiasm for bloodshed seems to get in the way ..
.. of any rational thinking about the global political costs of unnecessarily spilling the blood of innocents ...
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