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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:17 PM
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Tell Us Who Fabricated the Iraq Evidence
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 01:42 PM by cal04
At the beginning of 2001, a few weeks before George Bush took office, there was a break-in at the Niger embassy in Rome. Strangely, nothing of value was taken. Months later came 9/11 and a month after that, as George Bush wondered how to get back at the terrorists, a report from the Italian security service (Sismi) reached the CIA: Iraq was seeking to buy uranium. Disappointingly for the neocons, the CIA sent Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to check the story: he reported that it was nonsense. When the story was repeated by Bush, Wilson went public. His wife, CIA agent Valerie Plame, was then outed by the White House. Hence Rove's predicament.

An organisation called the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was set up in the Pentagon by Douglas Feith, a former consultant to Israel's Likud party, to prepare for the war. In the words of Robert Baer, a distinguished former CIA man, it was a "competing intelligence shop at the Pentagon"..."if you didn't like the answer you're getting from the CIA". In short, bogus stories would get a second chance at the OSP. A clue to the ancestry of these black arts can be found in 1980, when right-wing Republicans wanted Ronald Reagan elected. They publicised a story that Billy Carter, the then President Jimmy Carter's colourful brother, had received $50,000 (£28,000) from the Libyan government. The story was always denied by the President and no evidence of the payment was found, but the story helped to elect Reagan. Its source? Sismi, and an associate of a man called Michael Ledeen.

Ledeen is an intriguing and enduring presence in the murkier parts of US foreign policy. He is an American specialist on Italy with a long-standing commitment to Israel. According to The New York Times, in December 2001, a few months after the CIA first heard the Niger claims, Ledeen flew to Rome with Manucher Ghorbanifar, a former Iranian arms dealer, and two officials from OSP, one of whom was Larry Franklin. In Rome they met the head of Sismi. Some months later, the documents were published, having been sold to an Italian journalist by a Roman businessman linked to Sismi.So far, so circumstantial. One man who might well know the answer to all this is Vincent Cannistraro, the former head of counter terrorism operations at the CIA. His belief is that the documents were produced in the US but "funnelled through the Italians". When an interviewer asked Cannistraro "if I said Michael Ledeen", he reportedly replied "I don't think it's a proven case ...You'd be very close"

Ledeen, on hearing this, issued the following statement: "I have absolutely no connection to the Niger documents, have never even seen them. I did not work on them, never handled them, know virtually nothing about them, don't think I ever wrote or said anything about the subject." It seems it wasn't Ledeen but someone close to him. So who was it who had been planning since before 9/11 to create a fraudulent casus belli against Saddam?

rest of the article, some of which I couldn't add that is important to this article
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1009-25.htm
Norman Dombey is Emeritus Professor of Theoretical Physics at the University of Sussex and an expert on Iraq's nuclear capability.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:19 PM
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1. thank you. We cannot let this lie untouched
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:25 PM
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2. Ledeen is just
one of the criminals in the Pentagon. Rummy stocked the place with lots of them..... I hope the Franklin indictment shines a light on all the roaches but I am afraid Franklin will be a "good soldier" and take the rap himself.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:46 PM
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5. Ledeen first came to my mind
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 01:48 PM by eleny
And yet, he's someone we never hear mentioned in the news. He's like an invisible thread.

P.S. Punting this thread to the Greatest Page!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 02:59 PM
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9. LeDeen's been planting agitprop for decades. I'm sure every investigative
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 03:10 PM by blm
reporter of the last 3 decades is well aware that it was LeDeen who set up this fraud for his fascist BFEE masters.

I've been putting up info on LeDeen here for about 4 years now and knew it was his handiwork as soon as it came to light.

You will also recognize LeDeen's contact players' names in this article from the numerous BCCI threads.

Another point I am always making at DU is that just about everything going on today policywise is rooted in IranContra and BCCI. This is yet another example.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 04:01 PM
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13. How can so many americans be so crooked? What kind of people are we?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:28 PM
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3. like flies vectoring toward a massive pile of stinking feces....
Edited on Sun Oct-09-05 01:28 PM by mike_c
Lotta the same ones keep turning up over and over. Kicked and nominated.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:33 PM
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4. This, like many others, is an important report that cuts through the BS ..
But it will never see the light of day beyond our collective eyes .....

WHEN will the MSM see that light ? ...

WHAT will it take ? ...
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:49 PM
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6. another article, older, that has a lot about OSP
Democratic congressman David Obey, who is investigating the OSP, said: "That office was charged with collecting, vetting and disseminating intelligence completely outside of the normal intelligence apparatus. In fact, it appears that information collected by this office was in some instances not even shared with established intelligence agencies and in numerous instances was passed on to the national security council and the president without having been vetted with anyone other than political appointees."


http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,999669,00.html
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 01:49 PM
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7. Good article!
We need more deep-digging investigations like these!
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 02:26 PM
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8. Ledeen = "Rove's Brain"??
"...President Bush's top advisor Karl Rove's only full-time foreign-policy advisor is Michael Ledeen, a rabid anti-Arab, pro-Israel activist. The FBI is investigating Ledeen for procuring forged documents (shown here) on nonexistent WMD, which George Bush used to justify his war on Iraq. When Joseph Wilson exposed the farce, Rove helped "out" Wilson's CIA wife. Did Ledeen procure the documents for Rove, and how might he have done that? The story includes multinational stool pigeon Rocco Martino, Italian spy Francesco Pazienza, wanted CIA spy Robert Seldon Lady, and Pentagon analyst Larry Franklin, who's under charges of giving US secrets to Israel. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=7256

"Karl Rove's foreign-policy advisor, Michael Ledeen, proclaimed "the rightness of the fascist cause" in 1972. In 1984 he got George Bush Sr to appoint Iranian arms merchant and Iranian/Israeli double-agent Manucher Ghorbanifar as a middleman in the scandalous Iran-Contra affair. Ledeen has been a fixture in Washington and Israel ever since, advocating a modern version of the Crusades against Islamic nations. Based on what he has said and written, I believe Ledeen is insane.

"Michael Ledeen, Rove's "brain," is one of the leading advocates for a US attack on Iran. The Washington Post quoted Ledeen as saying that Rove told him, "Anytime you have a good idea, tell me." I guess that means we can look forward to the Bush team drumming up a war with Iran.

"George Bush Jr., when he assumed the presidency at the start of 2001, already knew that he was going to settle the family score with Saddam Hussein. His "brain," Rove, quickly enlisted Ledeen to trump up a causus belli..."

plenty more here... http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2005/08/845538.php
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 03:06 PM
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10. Swift kick....great info
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 03:24 PM
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11. Powell, Torie Clark, Rumsfeld, Rice, Cheney, Bush
They are the ones that presented their reports to the UN and the public. They're the ones that had press conference after press conference and spun those reports to mean things that the reports never actually said. Other than the Niger document, there was no fabricated Iraq evidence. There was Iraq "intelligence" that was intentionally spun out of all proportion, primarily in the media. Mushroom clouds and smoking guns and cat and mouse, that's how they did it and there's no point in confusing the issue.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 03:57 PM
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12. Rec'd. A name I'd never heard before
but will NOT forget.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 06:00 PM
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14. Read Ledeen on Niger, Plame, intra-intel wars
in the form of an interview with James Jesus Angleton (deceased) here: http://www.nationalreview.com/ledeen/ledeen.asp

(Top off page 1 when you google "Michael Ledeen" at the moment).

<snip>

JJA: Sure, I'm against it. But let's get serious. Plame wasn't working as a case officer, so far as I can tell. She'd done it in the past, but she was at a desk job, and she was playing politics. She pushed to get her husband a mission to Niger, since CIA got to pick the envoy. And then he lied, repeatedly. He reported that the Nigeriens thought there was reason to believe the Iraqis were, indeed, looking around for some uranium. But then he went public with an entirely different story. Just read the 9/11 Commission report. It's all there.

ML: So you don't think it was right to investigate the leak?

JJA: As I remember it, the request to investigate the leak — and investigate the White House for leaking it — came from CIA, right?

ML: Yes, I think that's right.

JJA: Well, the CIA — Tenet, that is — surely knew that Ms. Plame had already been outed, that's why she was sitting at a desk in greater Washington instead of running agents overseas. So the request for the investigation was political, not professional. Just like the AIPAC investigation, in which there doesn't seem to be any secret worth talking about.

</snip>
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Angry Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 07:59 PM
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15. Everything You Need to Know About Michael Ledeen
Everything You Need to Know About Michael Ledeen
By Katherine Yurica

Would you be surprised to find that a man who was deeply involved in the Iran-Contra scandal during the Reagan Administration, a man who is the darling of the Bush White House and is an adviser to Karl Rove, a man who loves Machiavelli and studies him, a neo-conservative who has close ties to one of America’s leading “Christian” Dominionists—Pat Robertson, and a man who called Pearl Harbor “lucky” and a providentially inspired event—may be the man who is behind the forging of the Niger documents that convinced America to launch a preemptive strike against Iraq?

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/MichaelLedeen.html

This is part of Articles On the Rise of Dominionism in America at
http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/DirectoryRiseOfDominionismInAmerica.html

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Memekiller Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:31 AM
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16. The forger is always the same...
...the one who benefits from the forgery.
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