Red Cross War Crimes Portfolio on Bush-Cheney?

[EuroObserver]

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index839.htm

Not that I normally give much credence to this site, but on October 15, 2005 the following was published which seems to go straight to the point:

‘War Crimes’ Portfolio against United States President, Vice President and Defense Secretary Opened By International Committee of the Red Cross Charging ‘Crimes Against Humanity’

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Kremlin sources are reporting today that the International Committee of the Red Cross, based in Switzerland, has opened a War Crimes Portfolio charging the United States President, Vice President, Defense Secretary, United States Military Commanders and the majority of United States Senators and Congressmen with ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ over what the United Nations has declared as an ‘illegal’ war in the Middle Eastern Country of Iraq, and where the innocent civilian death toll is nearing 30,000.

This is reported to be only the second time in the International Committee of the Red Cross’s history where a War Crimes Portfolio has been opened against the Civilian and Military Leadership of a sovereign country, with the first being opened in 1943 against the Nazi German Empire and its Chancellor, Adolph Hitler, and various other civilian and military leaders of that country.

The specific ‘Crimes Against Humanity’ that these Americans are being charged with are violations of the Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War, specifically Articles 3 and 4 which state:

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[Neil Lisst]

1. I am doubtful. The American Red Cross is in bed with Bush.

The head of the American Red Cross is one of Bush's "Harriet Miers." She's an evil shill for him.

I hope this is true. It's warranted.

[EuroObserver]

2. This is the International Red Cross (& Crescent) Society n/t

[havocmom]

3. American Red Cross isn't the same body as the International Red Cross

is it?

[Aimah]

4. American Red Cross is under the International Red Cross

Just about every country has either a Red Cross or Red Crescent Society. Red Crescent is in Arab countries.

www.ifrc.org/address/rclinks.asp

[havocmom]

6. Thanks, that's what I thought.

So bush appointed flunkies are NOT the last word on this issue :thumbsup:

[EuroObserver]

7. Well, they have said

they think some kind of international law should apply, maybe, depending, most everywhere else; but certainly not in the good'ol US of A.

[Coastie for Truth]

12. How is Marti Evans a

bush appointed flunkie

or is that a new derogatory term for somebody that a particular appender disagrees with.

Have you actually read the Act of Congress that established the ARC? Have you actually read Internal Revenue Code Section 501(c)(3)

Please excuse my rant - I have spent all of my free time working with New Orleans refugees -- and the avatar is the newly approved ICRC logo (no crosses, no crescents, no stars of david)

[havocmom]

25. I was responding to a post that the Red Cross was led by bush appointees

and making the case that the news was from the INTERNATIONAL Red Cross.

[EuroObserver]

8. Red Crescent is in _Moslem_ countries

(symbolism, see).

ed: Anthropologically speaking: Indeed, ALL humanity (at the very least) appears to share a common sense of the, um, most profound, ineffable, transcendant...

Luego, the various _religious_ expressions/intepretations/manipulations of same appear to mostly, usually, throughout recorded history and perhaps beyond, come down, basically, to a matter of POLITICS.

...Render to Ceasar... Render to the Unnameable..

[havocmom]

9. uh, yeah, we got that

Sorta wondering if the American Red Cross might be changing it's symbol anytime soon to: $$

[EuroObserver]

10. Well, if capitalism can take out patents on genes

(the basic building blocks of life, or so we (insects) seem to have worked out)...

[Coastie for Truth]

14. Get yer typhus shot

hard hat, safety shoes -- and some work clothes--- meet you at Louis Aemstrong Airport - code MSY (again) -- and let's do some work for people less fortunate then ourselves. ---

[havocmom]

23. Your post is the first referance to typhus I have seen.

That is sorta odd. Should have been a major talking point the day after the breach.

[Coastie for Truth]

24. My mom is a retired Nursing School prof,

and a retired Public Health Nurse -- and she made us kids into hypochondriacs.

[Aimah]

28. Yes the Red Crescent is in Muslim countries.

Technically the Crescent isn't a part of Islamic faith it's a symbol that was used after the the fall of the Byzantine Empire which used the Crescent as a symbol. The Red Cross is seen as a Christian symbol and would also be seen as insensitive.

[EuroObserver]

29. No symbol could be adequate with which to represent

the inexpressible.

Right (and thanks) Aimah?

[Coastie for Truth]

11. Huh?

(My avatar is the "new" Red Crystal" adopted by the ICRC - and yes I am a Red Cross volunteer -- and NO I am not a shill, or a PNACer or a NeoCon or a Republican)

Before I put you on my "Ignore" list -- please elucidate what you mean by

The head of the American Red Cross is one of Bush's "Harriet Miers." She's an evil shill for him.

[EuroObserver]

19. Intelligent. Thanks for the information, Coastie,

and OF COURSE thanks for your WORK, anywhere in the world.

I don't think anyone here has any problem with those who are doing what has to be done, the best one can.

But maybe there may be a little problem somewhere up there at the level of TOP MANAGEMENT?

Un fuerte abrazo,

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. From their site.....

ON EDIT: I am sure journalists and their organizations/buildings are protected as well.... or at least they are supposed to be, even ones from Italy and Al Jazeera.


http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/genevaconventions

The Geneva Conventions and their Additional Protocols are part of international humanitarian law – a whole system of legal safeguards that cover the way wars may be fought and the protection of individuals.


They specifically protect people who do not take part in the fighting (civilians, medics, chaplains, aid workers) and those who can no longer fight (wounded, sick and shipwrecked troops, prisoners of war).


The Conventions and their Protocols call for measures to be taken to prevent (or put an end to) what are known as "grave breaches"; those responsible for breaches must be punished.


More than 190 States have adhered to the Conventions – that's almost every country in the world.



Key issues
The essential rules
Humanitarian law: your questions answered
The Geneva Conventions and the red cross / red crescent emblems
Humanitarian law and human rights
How the founding of the ICRC led to the first Geneva Convention

Full documentation on International humanitarian law

[ElectroPrincess]

13. Damn!

I wonder why our CNN's Wolf Blitzer did not COVER THIS IMPORTANT NEWS STORY today in their opulent and uber-illustrious The Shit-Stain Room ... oops! :blush: I guess the bloated CEOs at CNN call it The Situation Room? I prefer the former term, especially since it more accurately reflects the disgraceful trash product we get FORCE FED from these media shills.

Oh! That's right, our press is being controlled by OUR *corporate masters* who make oodles of money WAR PROFITEERING. :puke:

[Coastie for Truth]

15. Why

Because BushCo (including Turdblossom) have a policy to demean and destroy anybody who crosses them - and anybody who makes their hacks (Brownie as in "You're doing a good job Brownie" and Miers) look bad.

Why did Bushco and Brownie keep not the just Red Cross - but the Southern Baptist Brotherhood (humanitarian evangelicals with their 18 wheeler, mass feeding mobile kitchens), and the Salvation Army (humanitarian evangelicals), and the Coast Guard Auxiliary, and the Civil Air Patrol, and the Ham Radio Emergency Operators (remember, the cell phone and land line systems were dead -- and contrary to what most people think, the cell net requires landline electricity to power the routers and repeater towers and land line comms between repeater towers) -- the emergency plan is to have Ham Operators at all hospital emergency rooms so that the Missing In Iraq National Guard knows that there are patients at the hospitals.

Nobody covers anything that makes Bushco look bad.

BTW - I am a Red Cross volunteer - and I cooled my heels waiting to get in, and I am a Coast Guard veteran (Captain of the Port, New Orleans), and a Ham Emergency Operator -- and this is what i saw first hand and heard first hand.

And I am a DUer, and an ACLUer, and a Democrat (have been one for 45 years).

[ElectroPrincess]

16. It's called "moral courage" ... if you are intimidated by Bush-Co.

And continue doing the Neo-Conservative's bidding, then you are WRONG.

Just like the Nazis who decried, "Why, I was only following (Rove's and my CEO War Profiteer's) orders.

Bullshit! If you KNOW that these people are doing PURE EVIL to our family (and the world community in general), DO NOT BE ON THEIR TEAM!

I blame the Corporate USA media almost as much as these vicious Neo-Cons.

Bullshit twice! These media conglomerations OWN THE MESSAGE. They could do what's right despite the threats. Volunteering for the American Red Cross is a flawed analogy as I'm certain that there's few to ZERO major news commentators and/or Journalists who do NOT get paid and paid well.

[EuroObserver]

21. Coastie, paying attention here:

You mean "Why did Bushco and Brownie keep not the just Red Cross..." OUT OF ACTION?

Because that's what everyone who's been paying attention (excuse me, I've doing what I can, in several ways, from here in Barcelona, Spain) has heard.

But of course little has trickled through to the mass media.

Maybe you could find time (with DU or whatever help) to write up, eventually, when there's time, a first-hand, experienced-professional report?

[EuroObserver]

17. It's not a very reliable source site,

and the information, if real, is still apparently officially unreleased, ElectroPrincess.

Although to me it smells somewhat more authentic than the usual.

[ElectroPrincess]

18. True, your point is well taken ...

Sorry, I'm just so frustrated at how DUMBED DOWN the USA media is in general, and my anger is bleeding through. :hi:

[EuroObserver]

20. Yep. Many are bleeding. And angry.

We must do something about it.

[Coastie for Truth]

22. It’s better to light one candle than to curse the darkness

There's an old chinese proverb, popularized by Father James Keller of the Christophers and by Bishop Fulton J. Sheen--

"It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness"

Have you given comfort to a newly homeless person, or a newly orphaned child?

When they cremate your remains - what legacy will you have left behind?

Have you lit a candle, hammered nails into a habitat, cooked soup, handed out a blanket?

Or have you blogged, complained, selfishly "exposed" and criticized.

Remember--

"It is better to light one candle than to curse the darkness"

And, I'm not even Catholic, and I learn from the Christophers

[EuroObserver]

26. Very pleased to meet you Coastie.

This is also extremely vital work: Coasties blog: http://thinkersunderground.blogspot.com/ plug, plug <g>

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[kineneb]

27. nothing (well almost nothing) would make me happier

The ICRC is a venerable institution, and if this is indeed their position, more power to them. After all, it is merely the truth.

Impeach, Indict, Imprison

Karma would have each of the cabal sharing a room with one of their mercenary thugs.