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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:49 AM
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Dick Morris: Hillary vs Condi
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,1592978,00.html

On 20 January 2009, at precisely noon, the world will witness the inauguration of the 44th President of the United States. As the chief justice administers the oath of office on the flag-draped podium in front of the US Capitol, the first woman President, Hillary Rodham Clinton, will be sworn into office. By her side, smiling broadly and holding the family Bible, will be her chief strategist, husband, and co-President, William Jefferson Clinton.

If the thought of another Clinton presidency excites you, then the future indeed looks bright. Because, as of this moment, there is no doubt that Hillary Clinton is on a virtually uncontested trajectory to win the Democratic nomination and, very likely, the 2008 election. She has no serious opposition in her party. The order of presidential succession from 1992 through 2008, in other words, may well become Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton.

But her victory is not inevitable. There is one, and only one, figure in America who can stop Hillary Clinton: Secretary of State Condoleezza 'Condi' Rice. Among all of the possible Republican candidates for President, Condi alone could win the nomination, defeat Hillary and derail a third Clinton administration.

Condoleezza, in fact, poses a mortal threat to Hillary's success. With her broad-based appeal to voters outside the traditional Republican base, Condi has the potential to cause enough major defections from the Democratic party to create serious erosion among Hillary's core voters. She attracts the same female, African-American and Hispanic voters who embrace Hillary, while still maintaining the support of conventional Republicans.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:55 AM
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1. heard him the other day on the laura ingram show, he is such an odd...
little man, it's difficult to see how he is viewed as a political prophet of some kind cause i'm not seeing it. his wares are all snip & snark, they are freaked about Hillary, and they are starting with 'the dump' well in advance so as to prove the point.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:56 AM
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2. Very dramatic but I think premature by a long shot.
I think there will be many others lining up for the primaries and I would be surprised if Hilary Clinton gets the nomination with her present stance on the Iraq war. For her to move forward towards wider acceptance in the Dem Party, she will have to put some effort into getting the country to believe that she cares about ALL of the country and that she is a person of integrity.

And to my mind, there are some unspoken questions regarding her acceptance of her husband back into her life that I would personally like answered. Yes, I did think he was one of our better presidents of the 20th Century. Yes, I did vote for him twice. BUT, I would like to know the reasoning behind her acceptance of his lie... to her ... about his affair. My concern is that she is blindly ambitious and I would be very hesitant to vote for someone with that quality.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:00 AM
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3. I wonder what Morris has to say about the Southern vote
I just don't see the southern Repugs voting for a Black woman.

If Rice ran, she would tear the GOP apart.

Not that it would be a bad thing.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:05 AM
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4. Exactly! I'm in the South and there is not a prayer in hades that Condi
could win. The Republicans may be evil, but they are not stupid.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:16 AM
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5. Could you see Trent Lott publically supporting Rice?
Rice is tainted goods over Iraq and generally just being involved with Bush's administration.

Any Repug with ties to Bush doesn't stand a chance. There's too many Republicans who want nothing to do with Bush or anyone in his administration.

The only real chance the Repugs have is with McCain, and there's no way the neo-cons and religious right who control the GOP will support a war dove and pro-choice candidate.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:22 AM
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6. She won't get the support of the base,
i.e., the religious rights. Just as the extreme elements of the Party are not supporting Miers, they will be even more against Rice.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:33 AM
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7. Dead right. Not a chance of Condi getting good-ole-boy votes.
Based on that alone, I hope she runs.
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howmad1 Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 06:49 PM
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16. Hey, at she'll get 2% of the black vote.
And won't that carry the day for her! Gimme a break. Condi is a lyin bitch who will go down in flames against Hillary. Hillary is the rethuglicans worst nightmare and they will do anything to see her not run.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 07:57 AM
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8. Morris is blowing smoke out of his ass.
There is zero chance that the repukes are going to nominate a black woman for anything. With 2% black support for the chimp, they will, if anything, move in the opposite direction and start playing more aggressively to their KKK base. They'll need the vote of all the bigots who've stayed away recently because the chimp was cozy with Rice and Powell.

I have some cousins who are pretty typical repuke voters, and they are racist to the core.
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NicRic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:07 AM
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9. This would have been John Jr.s time, very sad !
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 08:08 AM by NicRic
I always liked the clintons voted for Bill both times ,think he was a great President ,Iam confused by his close friendship with the elder bush ,since Iam sure he was one of those behind the right wing attempt to bring down Clintons Presidentsy ? I just dont see a Hilary run in the next election cycle ,I would vote for any dem who is chosen never the less .I think we need like clinton appeared on the seen ,a new currently unknown person with the gift of endearing people ,and motivating them by exciting them with his or her presence and gift of speech making .That person is out there .To bad John Jr. died ,because this would have been his time foresure to grab the country and like his father, excite a whole new generation of Americans
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Jon8503 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:27 AM
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10. He is full of crap; forgetting the fact that there is a base in his Repuke
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 08:28 AM by Jon8503
party that is racist and he is forgetting there is a large segment of the south that could not yet stomach the thought of a black president let alone a woman. Also, you have the racist factor all over this country yet.

I do not think she can derail Clinton yet and also she is not that successful in the job she is presently in.

However, I am not a Hillary fan right now as well.
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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 08:49 AM
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11. As I was reading this article, I thought, "helllooooo"
There is no way in hell Repugs would allow a black woman to be elected. Repugs are repugs because they are racist, imho. They don't want welfare checks out there and in their stupid minds welfare checks go only to blacks who are lazy. I wonder what they really see when they look at Condi?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 12:40 PM
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12. Condi Might Be Able To Stop A Clock---
but I'd bet a nickel that she has no chance of stopping Hillary, should Hillary get moving.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:27 PM
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13. A Little Toe-Sucking Among Friends
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 02:28 PM by bemildred
Morris is like Trippi without the wit.

"Great political mind" Dick Morris signs on with NewsMax.

NewsMax is actually proud of its snaring of extremely ex-Clinton adviser Dick Morris as a columnist for its magazine (you know, the one with the the questionable circulation figures). So much so, in fact, it defended the hiring in a June 15 "Insider Report" to its e-mail subscribers.

"Whatever your opinion of Dick Morris, his is one of the great political minds of our time," an "Insider Report" item states, trying to make NewsMax readers forget about his little scandal of prostitutes and toe-sucking. Such a "great political mind" is Morris, in fact, that he predicted Rick Lazio would defeat Hillary Clinton for New York Senate the day before the election. (Hillary, as we all know, won a double-digit victory.) He also predicted Hillary wouldn't run for Senate at all.

Morris, in fact, has a long history of murky prognostication. In 1998, he predicted the Democrats "will absolutely be obliterated" in the midterm elections, losing 30 House seats and five Senate seats. (Democrats wound up gaining five House seats and holding even in the Senate.) He also predicted that five certain Democratic senators might side with the GOP on calling witnesses during Clinton's impeachment trial; all of them voted to dismiss the trial instead.

Morris is also a major, major suck-up artist. Even as he was resigning his Clinton post in 1996, he insisted Clinton "is a great President and a great man," and had nothing but nice things to say about Hillary in his book "Behind the Oval Office," calling her a "warm, decent, sincere and sensitive, a tireless crusader for children and an excellent wife and mother." Compare these words with his NewsMax press-release statement: "With all of the bias in the media, it is refreshing to work with NewsMax, which goes where other media outlets fear to tread."

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2002/morris.html
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 02:39 PM
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14. Dick Morris is selling Dick Morris, but he's wrong.
Condi Rice will NEVER be on the Republican ticket. Get real.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 04:00 PM
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15. I care about Dick Morris like Fred Phelps cares about Queer Eye
Edited on Sun Oct-16-05 04:03 PM by hatrack
Why Captain Toesucker should be given more than a thimbleful of thought or notice on DU (of all places) is beyond my understanding.

Here he is, peddling every lazy Beltway Media Ho's wet dream about the race they'd most like to cover - no issues, no questions, no connection withg reality, just Family Feud at Foggy Bottom - and we're supposed to give a shit?

:shrug:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-16-05 10:16 PM
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17. He has been pushing this match up for months. He hatred of the Clintons
is absolutely nauseating at times.
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