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Spoonerian Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:45 AM
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The Troops Don’t Defend Our Freedoms
The Troops Don’t Defend Our Freedoms
by Jacob G. Hornberger, October 21, 2005

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0510g.asp

How often do we hear the claim that American troops “defend our freedoms”? The claim is made often by U.S. officials and is echoed far and wide across the land by television commentators, newspaper columnists, public-school teachers, and many others. It’s even a common assertion that emanates on Sundays from many church pulpits. Unfortunately, it just isn’t so. In fact, the situation is the exact opposite — the troops serve as the primary instrument by which both our freedoms and well-being are threatened.

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Obeying presidential orders to attack Iraq in 1991, without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war, the troops ended up killing tens of thousands of Iraqis. Obeying Pentagon orders to attack Iraq’s water and sewage facilities, the troops accomplished exactly what Pentagon planners had anticipated — spreading deadly infections and disease among the Iraqi people. Continuing to obey presidential orders in the years that followed, the troops enforced what was possibly the most brutal embargo in history, which ended up contributing to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, deaths that U.S. officials said were “worth it.” Obeying presidential orders, the troops enforced the illegal “no-fly zones” over Iraq, which killed even more Iraqis, including children. Obeying presidential orders, the troops established themselves on Islamic holy lands with full knowledge of the anger and resentment that that would produce among devout Muslims. Obeying presidential orders, the troops invaded and occupied Iraq without the constitutionally required congressional declaration of war, killing and maiming tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis — that is, people whose worst “crime” was to resist the unlawful invasion of their homeland by a foreign power.

Through it all, the Pentagon simply echoed the claims of the president — that all the death and destruction and humiliation that the U.S. government had wreaked on people in the Middle East, as well as its unconditional military and financial foreign aid to the Israeli government, had not engendered any adverse feelings in the Middle East against the United States. Instead, the president and the Pentagon claimed, the problem was that the terrorists simply hated America for its “freedom and values.”

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As our Founding Fathers understood so well, the primary threat to our freedom lies with our own government. That’s in fact why we have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights — to protect us and our freedoms from federal officials. If the federal government did not constitute such an enormous threat to our freedoms, there would be no reason to have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Yet, what is the primary means by which a government takes away the freedoms of its citizenry? Our American ancestors gave us the answer: its military forces. That is in fact why many of our Founding Fathers opposed a standing, professional military force in America — they knew not only that such a force would be used to involve the nation in costly, senseless, and destructive wars abroad but also that government officials would inevitably use the troops to ensure a compliant and obedient citizenry at home.

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Imagine that the president issues the following grave announcement on national television during prime time: “Our nation has come under another terrorist attack. Our freedoms and our national security are at stake. I have issued orders to the Joint Chiefs of Staff to immediately take into custody some 1,000 American terrorists who have been identified by the FBI as having conspired to commit this dastardly attack or who have given aid and comfort to the enemy. I have also ordered the JCS to take all necessary steps to temporarily confiscate weapons in the areas where these terrorists are believed to be hiding. These weapons will be returned to the owners once the terrorist threat has subsided. I am calling on all Americans to support the troops in these endeavors, just as you are supporting them in their fight against terrorism in Iraq. We will survive. We will prevail. God bless America.”

Now ask yourself: How many of the troops would disobey the orders of the president given those circumstances, especially if panicked and terrified Americans and the mainstream press were endorsing his martial-law orders?

The answer: Almost none would disobey. They would not consider it their job to determine the constitutionality of the president’s orders. They would leave that for the courts to decide. Their professional allegiance and loyalty to their supreme commander in chief would trump all other considerations, including their oath to “support and defend the Constitution.”

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:48 AM
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1. Headline should be: Troops defend Bush ideology"-and die.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:51 AM
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2. Bingo!
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SledDriver Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:53 AM
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3. They have enough to worry about just defending themselves...
over in that clusterfuck called Iraq. Our freedoms are a lost cause.:patriot:
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 11:58 AM
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4. The military defends sovereignty, not freedom
Freedom is defended by heroic citizens, lawyers, judges, and politicians who are willing to stand up to popular hysteria and powerful political forces.

The Southern Freedom Riders and the NAACP fought for our freedom.

The lawyers of the ACLU fight for our freedom.

The "free speech" protestors of the IWW (including Upton Sinclair) fought for our freedom.

The Judges who enforced the right of Habeus Corpus during the Civil War fought for our freedom.
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Spoonerian Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:09 PM
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6. "It is certain,
that all parts of Europe which are enslaved, have been enslaved by armies; and it is absolutely impossible, that any nation which keeps them amongst themselves can long preserve their liberties; nor can any nation perfectly lose their liberties who are without such guests: And yet, though all men see this, and at times confess it, yet all have joined in their turns, to bring this heavy evil upon themselves and their country."

— Cato's Letters, No. 95: Further Reasonings against
Standing Armies
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:04 PM
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5. Lawyers, judges, journalists and citizens defend freedom, because they
operate independently of politicians. Soldiers obey the President, so they defend freedom only when the President defends freedom.
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:22 PM
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7. The Troops Do Defend Our Freedoms
They're just being misused.

Further, Mr. Hornberger, in arguing against the 1991 Gulf War that liberated Kuwait, does nothing but display his ignorance about the Constitution. While Congress is the body that gets to decide whether to go to war, how they decide to declare war is entirely left up to them.

Also, on a political note, the inability to distinguish between a war taken due to the provocation by a dictator conquering another country, and a war in which we conquer another country, does nothing to enhance his credibility. Nor does insulting soldiers who honestly signed up to defend our country against Al Qaeda and got forced by this administration into Iraq.

Declaring that the U.S. military would support a Dictatorial Coup removes all credibility from the man, and is overwhelmingly counterproductive to stopping the real threats to our country.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
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Spoonerian Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 01:39 PM
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9. No, they're being used
for the only purpose for which a permanent government military is suited: enslaving the people.

In a letter to Francis Hopkinson (March 13, 1789), Thomas Jefferson wrote that "a (federal) bill of rights (must) secure freedom in religion, freedom of the press, (and) freedom from a permanent military"

Free people reserve for themselves the power to defend with arms against enemies. This power (along with the power of judging law and fact in criminal cases in the jury room) is NOT delegated to the government. Hence, the English Bill of Rights, most of the states' bills of rights, and the federal 2nd amendment prohibit standing (permanent) government armies.

At the constitutional convention, Elbridge Gerry asked, "What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty."

These were "liberal" ideas when first established in the 17th and 18th centuries. Nowadays, amongst boobus americanus (left and right) they are virtually unknown or at best seem "old fashioned." I would hope that as a "conservative" democrat, you would see the value of these "old liberal" ideas.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:59 PM
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11. good post
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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 04:46 PM
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13. I had a wingnut survivalist friend who talked like this in the 90s
Oh the military is being used to "enslave" the people, that's why we all should have an ever increasing number of militarily ineffective small arms in basement - the dictatorship (of Clinton) is nigh!

Funny, it didn't work out that way. And for obvious reasons. Americans, both civilian and military, are nowhere near as evil as he (and you) make them out to be. And they seriously do not like dictatorships.

This isn't to say you don't get a bad apple, or that occasionally a bad leader doesn't fool the people into some disaster, but the people eventually get it right in the end and throw the a**hole out on his ear.

However, the length of time it takes for Americans to come to their senses is directly proportional to how positive they feel about the alternative. It takes them longer to swallow their pride when they're being insulted.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:58 PM
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10. You need to read up on your history
ever heard of Chile and Pinochet

or what about Efrain Rios Montt and Guatemala

I could go on but you get the point
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:46 PM
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8. I have been uncomfortable with this assumption too for a long time.
And Colin Powell's ideal soldierly obedience is stirring my discomfort even deeper.

The state of fervor that people experience as somekind of heightened spiritual awareness of "truth" can be just as easily attached to one "truth" as to another. You could substitute the name of a football team for the word "freedom" and get similar results in appropriate circumstances. Afterall, if you assume that things like sexual preference are a choice, then it is possible that many other value orientations are choices too, i.e. the result of how we choose to focus and reinforce our attentions.

I really wish I could feel more supportive on the issues that our troops think they are fighting for, but I don't. If they are being completely honest about their motives, I support individual soldiers in pursuit of those motives, but real honesty is rare, and I do not support the sloganeering that is used to manipulate them and everyone else.

To the extent that Bush's War perpetuates corporate hegemony at home and abroad, our soldiers are not fighting for Freedom. I'm sorry to say they are fighting for Oppression.

We **ARE** War Slaves, quite literally, factually, and concretely Slaves.

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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:32 PM
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12. Spoonerian:
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs and must include a link to the original source.

Thanks.

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