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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:24 PM
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"A Long Overdue Frog-March" by Ray McGovern CIA retired
Mr. McGovern thinks Fitzgerald can be fired ..I disaree BUT this article is rt on.

"A Long Overdue Frog-March

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/27128/
"Indictments are expected to come down shortly as special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald completes the investigation originally precipitated by the outing of a C.I.A. officer under deep cover. In 21-plus months of digging and interviewing, Fitzpatrick and his able staff have been able to negotiate the intelligence/policy/politics labyrinth with considerable sophistication. In the process, they seem to have learned considerably more than they had bargained for. The investigation has long since morphed into size "extra-large," which is the only size commensurate with the wrongdoing uncovered -- not least, the fabrication and peddling of intelligence to "justify" a war of aggression.

The coming months are likely to see senior Bush administration officials frog-marched out of the White House to be booked, unless the president moves swiftly to fire Fitzgerald -- a distinct possibility. With so many forces at play, it is easy to lose perspective and context while plowing through the tons of information on this case. What follows is a retrospective and prospective, laced with some new facts and analysis aimed at helping us to focus on the forest once we have given due attention to the trees.

During a speech in Seattle in August 2003, former ambassador Wilson imagined a scene in which police are frog-marching presidential adviser Karl Rove out of the White House. This appeared a bit farfetched at the time, but not now. Indeed, it seems there will be a need for multiple handcuffs and marshals.

From the beginning of special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation in January 2004, Wilson expressed confidence that the truth would emerge. And because of Fitzgerald's professionalism and tenacity, we are about to see at least some of the perpetrators of this fraud get their comeuppance. Normally, Schadenfreude is exceedingly hard to resist in such circumstances. But it is harder still to allow oneself any joy at the misfortune of others, when the focus needs to be placed on the huge damage already done to our country, its values, and its reputation."

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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:28 PM
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1. Bush's poll number would drop dramatically
if he fired Fitz. It will never happen.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:32 PM
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2. But the Polls show Bush is in the 30's already....it don't matter I guess
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BadGimp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:54 PM
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18. shades of Watergate?
we can hope...

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:38 PM
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3. Nixon did that and nearly got lynched. Nothing will confirm it more
that he's guilty than firing Fitzgerald. They should have done it a year ago. They changed Fitz's boss and had to retract that. Event they know the dangers of doing this.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 01:05 PM
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7. Nixxon had a Dem Congress. It would harm CON elections.
They are looking at life and death charges.
If treason is hinted, all bets are off.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:43 PM
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4. I am waiting patiently for that long over due frog march dbeach
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:46 PM
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5. !
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 12:47 PM
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6. * can't fire Fitz or it would be near impossible or something along those
lines. I read it here on DU a while back. I think there were a couple of good threads about it too. I don't have time to do a search right now, perhaps someone else has them handy?
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 01:36 PM
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8. salient link here:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:43 PM
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23. Excellent: thanks for posting that.

CS is invaluable on this (as on many things). He affirms that Fitzgerald's authority as Special Counsel is separate from the line of authority that might remove him as a U.S. Attorney. Some choice bits:


snip

Comey's brilliant nuances involved with US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald's appointment as "Special Counsel" are nothing short of genius. The foresight of Acting Attorney General Comey's "delegation of authority" to Fitzgerald will go down in history as one of the most stunning and brilliant acts of non-partisan patriotism this nation has ever seen.

I do not throw these words out lightly.

Federal regulations and decisions, germane to Fitzgerald's unique appointment, legally protect the integrity of the Special Counsel's unrestricted mandate from interference by political operatives in this investigation, an investigation to which Acting Attorney General James Comey (empowered as such by Attorney General John Ashcroft's recusal) provided unprecedented patriotic and non-partisan foresight.

Furthermore, Fitzgerald was empowered by Comey with unilateral authority to "expand" his jurisdiction and "pursue it wherever he wants to pursue it". Let your imagination run wild because it's all legally in play.


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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 01:43 PM
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9. And Wilson knew the WH was going to "come after" him
did you catch that part? I bolded what he said

When introduced to former ambassador Wilson at the June 14 conference, I wasted no time asking him -- rather naively, it turned out -- if he knew who the former U.S. ambassador who went to Niger was. He smiled and said, "You're looking at him." I asked when he intended to go public; in a couple of weeks, was the answer.

Wilson then turned dead serious and, with considerable emphasis, told me the White House had already launched a full-court press in an effort to dredge up dirt on him. He added, "When I do speak out, they are going to go after me big time. I don't know the precise nature the retaliation will take, but I can tell you now it will be swift and vindictive. They cannot afford to have people thinking they can escape unscathed if they spill the beans on the dishonesty undergirding this war."
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 01:50 PM
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10. Nixon didn't get away with it (firing the prosecutor), and that...
...precedent may be weighing heavily on the "aspens" at the moment. There are certainly a lot of indications that a "fall guy" strategy will be used instead, and that the fall guy will be Cheney, not in the sense that he will do time--I don't think he will--but in a resignation when he is named as an unindicted co-conspirator that will help limit the investigation (by making it seem less urgent), and, above all, limit the political damage, take the heat off Bush Jr., and pave the way for a Republican "comeback" by a combination of naming a new, fresh face as VP, and then Diebolding that prez designee into office in '08. (Note: And if they're smart, they will permit the Dems some limited gains in Congress in '06--nothing even close to a majority--in order to take steam out of the transparent elections/anti-electronic voting movement.)

Libby (the one who will be doing time for Cheney and Rumsfeld) seems to assure us that the deeply rooted plot to create a wider war in the ME--the traitorous scheme of this neocon/Likud cabal--is still in place and even that Miller will still be its propagandist (if one can parse any meaning from his cryptographic paragraph to Miller), and, almost under the radar they have already started the war with Syria, with not even a hint of Congressional approval. (It started during Katrina, with bombings of villages on the border; now Syrian soldiers are getting killed.) Any day now I expect them to "find" the yellowcake (or some such) that the white hat CIA foiled them from planting in Iraq, crossing the Syrian or Iranian border, or some similar kind of cooked up excuse for their having already widened the war and perhaps for justifying the invasion of Iraq in retrospect. (Who's to stop this gang of plotters now? They SUCCEEDED in disabling the honest information gatherers in the CIA, even if some of them are being prosecuted for it, and you can be sure there are other Ledeens and Ghorbanifars out there who will do anything for money and power.)

What I hope will happen is that the American public will wake up to the secret, proprietary programming of our elections, and throw Diebold and ES&S election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' before this cabal and their colluders in the Dem Party blow the ME to smithereens and all of us with it. (Ever read Carl Sagan's "The Cold and the Dark"--a description of what will happen to the planet as the result of even a limited nuclear exchange?)

Monkey wrenches in their plot: Libby's letter was in September. Fitzgerald and McNulty have learned a lot more since then, possibly have Cheney in their sights, and he may not get away with a mere resignation. Will he continue to protect Bush Jr. and the deeper cabal if he gets nailed? CAN he get nailed (is he so powerful that he CANNOT be nailed?) Rumsfeld (the lurker in Treasongate) could also be in their sights (he's the one who placed Miller in Iraq with a special "embed" contract to "find" the WMDs they all knew weren't there).

One big difference between 1973 and now is that there were still honorable Republicans in 1973 who didn't approve of their president committing crimes. Bush's "pod people" in Congress--who just repeat Rove's "talking points" over and over--can't seem to think for themselves, and don't appear to have the spine or patriotism to do the right thing (should Bush try to fire Fitzgerald). (Many of them are Diebold selects.)

Another big difference is our war profiteering corporate news monopolies, who "selected" Bush jr. last Nov. 2 (by DOCTORING their own exit polls to FIT the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae), and who, in the case of the NYT--our so-called paper of record--were harboring a neocon cabalist, criminal and traitor (Miller) who was helping to destroy the CIA's honest functions, and putting its covert agents/contacts in extreme jeopardy (among other things she's done).

Can we expect the NYT, as presently constituted--or any of the corporate news monopolies--to do their JOB? It doesn't look good on that score. For one thing, they don't seem to know what the job of the Fourth Estate is.

And a third difference is that we now have a dysfunctional Democratic Party, with so many of its leaders guilty of corruption or cowardice on the matter of the $4 billion electronic voting boondoggle, and on the war, that they cannot seem to take advantage of the fact that the great majority of people in this country are against the war (and have been all along) and want good government. Their silence about Diebold's and ES&S's "trade secret," proprietary tabulation of our votes is a good case in point. Far rightwing Bushite corporations are counting our votes IN SECRET! Get it, idiots! (Jeez, these people.)

Differences between 1973 and now in our favor are the internet, where people can get real news and can connect with each other, an awakening of our country's great progressive majority because the Bush cabal is so bad (it is exposing EVERYTHING that is wrong with Corporate Rule and big military budgets), the financial limits of the cabal (they've already bankrupted the country--it will fall heavily on the poor, but it does limit how many Bush-made disasters we can absorb), and the cabal's' very limited cache in the rest of the world (they are universally loathed).

Can Bush be prevented from firing Fitzgerald? I don't know. We had our concerns about Nixon's power back in 1973. It was by no means certain that he wouldn't get away with it. And that was with many things in favor of the good guys (those who believed in the law).

The bad guys now control the Congress, the media and much of the court system; they have their toady (torture memo writer) Gonzales as A.G. (a man completely lacking principle), and they have directive power over a purged military and a purged intelligence community. And they are furthermore installing more Bush Cartel toadies on the Supreme Court.

Some have said that Bush doesn't have the legal authority to fire Fitzgerald. That may be true, but when did that stop him--or rather his puppetmasters--from doing anything, even the worst crime imaginable, the unjust slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people?

Then there's the skulduggery arm of the Cartel--busy trying to cook up SOMETHING, you can be sure. (Liddy mentions "biological threats"--in the letter to Miller; stories she needs to "come back to work--and life" to cover.) God knows what they are capable of, and that is the problem.



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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:04 PM
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11. THE AROMA OF FALL ASPENS
sweet scent of an overdue bushevik demise
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:33 PM
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12. i assume you meant "libby", not "liddy" -- but an interesting slip!
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:06 PM
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15. LIBBY ...LIDDY
let em sort it out in da BIG HOUSE
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 02:40 PM
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13. Hey Ray, if your looking, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO!
You and the other retired intelligence officers have been heroic in your efforts to advise and inform on the mistakes being made which cost so many lives and so much opportunity

Thank you and your associates. You are true patriots! :patriot:
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:04 PM
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14. the court intrigues of the elite ameriken aristocracy
about to be under some clean and refreshing review

MERRY FITZMAS 2 U AUTORANK
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:22 PM
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16. elite dystocracy
bringing dystopia to America.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 03:29 PM
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17. i like it
"dystocracy"

it has the holiday cheer of a psychiatric definiton .. many elites may benefit from some long term treatment for all that repressed rage..in state facilities for the criminally insane
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:59 PM
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21. dystocracy begets kleptocracy!
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 09:58 PM
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20. and a happy new year willed with indictments to you dbeach!!!
:evilgrin:
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 10:30 PM
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22. the sands of time
may be running out for the jolly lads from S.& B. and their neo-con soul mates..wunder if kids will dress up as bush cheny or maybe Waldo bin laden ??. He is so quiet . OOPS forgot he got bumped off by the cia..

happy helloween to sauron and candi liar and rummy and card and gee I almost forgot about that awesome sec of defense or under sec wolfie wolfowitz..now now how can you say that the most illustrious wolfie is a spy .. a spy for Israel..I am shocked schocked I tell you..thats enough. no trick or treating this yr

And the sands of time
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BamaBecky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-21-05 07:59 PM
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19. kick
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