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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 05:57 PM
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What to Make of the Riots in France Rioting
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Subject: Progress Report: Chalabi Returns to Scene of the Crime
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 08:34:15 -0800
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CONSERVATISM
What to Make of the Riots in France Rioting that began almost two weeks ago in the "seething outer suburbs" of Paris has "intensified and spread to other French cities," becoming the country's "worst civil unrest in decades." As political observers weigh in, the gulf between conservatism and progressivism could not be more clear. The divide is not over the violence itself, of which there can be no condoning, but rather over the causes of the strife, and the best way to address them. The right's response has demonstrated several prominent strains of conservative thought: their tendency to see in virtually any conflict involving Muslims the sparks of a "clash of civilizations"; the growing resistance to immigration and embrace of isolationism (evidenced by, among other signs, the vigilante Minuteman Project and the call by House conservatives this week to end birthright citizenship); and the firm unwillingness to consider the lack of social and economic opportunity as a factor in the unrest.

BACKGROUND ON THE RIOTS: The violence began on October 27 after two Muslim teenagers from the northern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois "were electrocuted in a power substation where they were hiding from police who they believed were chasing them. French officials have said police were not pursuing the youths." Most of those who took to the streets were "French-born children of African and Arab immigrants, the most neglected of the country's citizens." The center-right government led by President Jacques Chirac was caught entirely unprepared; Chirac did not even address the country on the matter until Sunday, 11 days into the riots. The same cannot be said of Chirac's Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, who early on engaged in "shameful name-calling demagogy," including a hysterical call to "karcherise" the ghettos, referring to "Karcher," the "well-known brand name of a system of cleaning surfaces by super-high-pressure sand-blasting or water-blasting."

A RUSH TO BLAME ISLAM: President Bush has said that Islam inspires its followers "to lead lives based on honesty, and justice, and compassion," and Americans overwhelmingly agree that the violent strains of radical Islam represent a minute minority. But the conservative responses to the French riots belie this idea. Pat Buchanan declared yesterday that the "soaring Muslim population is a Fifth Column inside Europe." Bill O'Reilly's segment last night focused on the "Muslim insurrection," and spoke of "insurgent Muslims" in France. In the Chicago Sun-Times, Mark Steyn claimed that the "Eurabian civil war appears to have started." He added, "The French have been here before," referring, incredulously, to 732 A.D., when "the Muslims had advanced a thousand miles north of Gibraltar to control Spain and southern France up to the banks of the Loire." The truth is far more complex than conservative analysis would suggest. Indeed, "Muslim leaders of African and Arab communities have...issued a fatwa, or religious order, against the riots." As one Parisian told the Washington Post: "This has nothing to do with religion. But non-Muslims are afraid of people like me with a beard. I look suspicious to them. Discrimination is all around us. We live it every day. It's become a habit. It's in the air."

REFUSING TO CONSIDER SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY: A core progressive value is a belief in the importance of opportunity, and the basic idea that every hard-working person should be able to realize their goals through education, decent work, and fair pay. Those rioting in France have unquestionably been denied that opportunity. Average unemployment in the suburbs suffering from violence is 21 percent, "more than twice the national average—and going up." Among men younger than 25 -- i.e., the "vast majority of rioters" -- the rate jumps to 36 percent. "Health care and schooling are far below national levels," and residents are "largely confined to grim suburban housing estates." In other words, as the Economist put it, "the ingredients for social explosion have long been brewing." Yet such talk is counterproductive to conservatives. Victor Davis Hanson acknowledged yesterday that while social and economic conditions are poor, "nevertheless, during a riot, you don't want talk about them," since trying "to find so-called root causes" of the riots is to "appease" the rioters. Others were more abrasive. After comparing the Parisian suburbs to "housing projects in America," conservative Thomas Sowell criticized the "squeamishness...and the accompanying refusal to face blatant realities" of those who failed to identify this "underclass" as "barbarians" and "scum."

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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:03 PM
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1. Keep in mind that these riots started only days after
the French declared that they wanted to arrest Cheney.

Very well organized and orchestrated from what I hear.

Could it be CIA???
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:07 PM
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2. YES.
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Tristram_Shandy Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 02:29 AM
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5. Don't Be Silly
If the CIA could find its a$$ with a flashlight, it would have planted WMD in Iraq. This would have been logistically simple while providing a knock-down justification for the war. I was expecting a "mysterious suitcase" to be discovered in one of Sadam's palaces shortly after the statue came down. And then...nothing! Still scratchin' my head: If the weapons did not exist, it would be necessary to plant them. Why didn't they?

This omni-malevolent cabal couldn't pull off something that simple and obvious, but you're ascribing to them the logistical genius of instigating a nation-wide uprising.
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savemefromdumbya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:13 PM
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3. Behind each rioter is a US/British purpetrator
rumor has it these riots are being instigated by this country and a number of others. Political ofcourse!
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 03:50 PM
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7. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir
Do you really think that? And if so, on what grounds, and with what evidence to back the conclusion?
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 06:20 PM
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4. two words: agent provocateur
One more word: CIA
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-10-05 04:14 PM
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6. Place large numbers of people in...
...the position of feeling that they have little or nothing left to lose, and riots you will get. This will be on our shores soon enough.
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kineneb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-11-05 11:15 PM
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8. last paragraph sounds like lots of places in US, too
High unemployment/underemployment (would you like fries with that?)...shabby housing...lack of access to decent health care...poor schools...gee, sound at all familiar?

Can't afford gold, investing instead in lead.

It won't be the heads of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation up against the wall when the revolutions comes.
(with apologies to Douglas Adams)
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