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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 08:50 PM
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Rogue State ---"they hate us for what we do to them" (OBL recom. bk)
Edited on Fri Jan-20-06 08:54 PM by rodeodance
They do not hate us for our freedoms as George Bush says--said Blum, the author. Keith Olberman just interviewed the author.
He also that thebook went from # 2086 # 26 in 24 hours.



http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm

Rogue State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower

by William Blum, author of
Killing Hope:US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War 2

If you believed that the NATO (read U.S.) bombing of Yugoslavia for
78 days and nights in 1999 was a "humanitarian" act, Rogue
State hopefully can serve as a wake-up call to both your intellect
and your conscience. It is a mini-encyclopedia of the numerous
un-humanitarian acts perpetrated by the United States since the
end of the Second World War.

Never before in modern history has
a country dominated the earth so
totally as the United States does today.
America is now the Schwarzenegger of
international politics: showing off
muscles, obtrusive, intimidating.
The Americans, in the absence of
limits put to them by anybody or anything,
act as if they own a kind of blank check
in their McWorld.
Der Spiegel, Germany's leading newsmagazine, 1997

.........

A world once divided into two armed camps
now recognizes one sole and pre-eminent
power, the United States of America. And
they regard this with no dread. For the
world trusts us with power, and the world
is right. They trust us to be fair, and
restrained. They trust us to be on the side
of decency. They trust us to do what's right.
George Bush, 1992


.........

"Bill Blum came by his title easily. He simply tested
America by the same standards we use to judge other
countries. The result is a bill of wrongs -- an especially
well-documented encyclopedia of malfeasance, mendacity
and mayhem that has been hypocritically carried out in the
name of democracy by those whose only true love was power."
Sam Smith, Editor, The Progressive Review, Washington, DC

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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 08:53 PM
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1. Why would Bin Laden promote a book ...
... and not even MENTION his colleague's recently-released tape of poetry recitations (available on the Al Qeada label, sold at CD and record stores near you ...)

Yeah, once they get famous, they forget all of their FRIENDS ...
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 08:58 PM
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2. I've got one of William Blum's quotes on my monitor.
"No matter how paranoid or conspiracy-minded you are, what the government is actually doing is worse than you imagine."

-William Blum
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:03 PM
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5. A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on.
-- William S. Burroughs
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 10:42 PM
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6. Burroughs is one of my heroes.
He, along with my other hero, H.R. Giger, share my birthday (Feb. 5). I pulled out a transcript of The Revised Boy Scout Manual, a novel in the form of three one-hour cassettes. Nearly forty years later, it still holds up.

NOTES ON WRITING WORLD REVOLUTION
(written March 25, 1970, Paris, France)

GENERAL PLAN:
1.) An independent republican or reform party of exemplary behavior and moderation, staying always within the law. Personnel must be at all times above reproach, at least at the initial stages of the operation.
2.) A terrorist underground complete with detailed personnel and methods of operation. Post films of underground drilling can be leaked to press. The police can be allowed to capture extensive files taken from a telephone book, and while they drag bewildered citizens from their beds, the underground, which consists of a small group of expert saboteurs, can strike somewhere else.
3.) A terrorist reich complete with personnel. Any outrage can be attributed to these characters. You can see how this works out in present-time Brazil where any murder of underworld figures can be laid to the terrorist police organization. The script is different for every country or area of operation, but it's always a one-two-three...



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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 02:07 AM
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7. I've always wanted to find the rest of that...
Are you quoting from the bits in that lovely old RE/SEARCH that did strange things to my teenaged brain, or from a more complete transcript?
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 03:25 AM
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8. It's a photocopy that was passed on to me about ten years ago.
I do believe it's from RE/SEARCH. (I had it filed away next to my copy of RE/SEARCH's Guide to Bodily Fluids.) Sadly, it's just the first side of tape one.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 09:27 PM
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3. Assuming that Bush/Saudi Oil Cartel-funded OBL was speaking from a
Cartel script, why would they be pushing a book that seems to criticize them?

I think they WANT to be considered a "rogue state." They're proud of it. They strut it around. They can invade anybody, bomb anybody, kill anybody, torture anybody, arrest and "disappear" anybody, take anybody's resources and subjugate their people at will, kick, smash, loot, pillage, laugh at the law, make up their own laws, sneer at the Constitution, shove aside the Geneva Conventions and the Uniform Code of Military Justice as "quaint," shit on the United Nations, lie, commit massive thievery, let the poor rot and die in a hurricane disaster, blatantly rig elections with their buds owning the election system, dictate the content of every major news organ in the U.S., pack the U.S. supreme court with fascists, and destroy American democracy. They are lords of the earth. Be afraid! Kneel! Bow down!

OBL undoubtedly wants the same things. Birds of a feather.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 04:50 AM
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9. I think the tapes are for real--
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 05:28 AM by rodeodance
Just a gut feeling--but......
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:46 AM
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11. My guess
Edited on Sat Jan-21-06 05:53 AM by CJCRANE
is that OBL is his own man politically but is (partially) supported financially & logistically by Bushco allies channelling funds through double-agents/false flag groups etc.

It's a chinese bargain: just like many politicians I would guess that bin Laden doesn't worry too much about where his money comes from, plus for Bushco bin Laden is a "useful idiot" used to stir up unending fear.

on edit: changed "most politicians" to "many politicians", don't want to re-inforce a RW talking point!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 06:38 AM
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12. yes, it is a sybiotic relationship--each need each other to succeed
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-20-06 09:37 PM
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4. Just ordered a copy!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-21-06 05:27 AM
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10. also here is a review of Fisk's The Great War for Civilisation


http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060206/norton

review of; The Great War for Civilisation

| posted January 19, 2006 (February 6, 2006 issue)
Pity the Region

Augustus Richard Norton


> In the Middle East, Fisk observes, "the people live their past history, again and again, every day," and for two centuries that history has largely been shaped by outside powers, especially imperial France and Britain, the expansionist Soviet Union and for more than half a century the United States. Certainly, were it not for the etching of borders associated with seminal documents--the 1916 Sykes-Picot Agreement, the 1917 Balfour Declaration, Lord Mountbatten's plan for the partition of British India--the region as we know it would scarcely exist. Yet even to conjure the region absent these decisive great-power intrusions is such a complex exercise in recursion that it serves to demonstrate how deeply implicated others have been in engraving the history of the region. Long after the echoes of Napoleon's cannons firing on the port of Alexandria in 1798 quieted, the profound changes that the invasion launched in Egypt and the wider Arab world reverberated. The deadly effects of "great wars" on the field of battle are clear enough, whether in the mud and slaughter of the Somme or on the hills of Maysaloun, where in 1920 the French vanquished the Arab struggle for an independent Syria. But it was what followed those episodes of mayhem that gave decisive shape to the modern Middle East: the drawing of boundaries, co-optation of local elites, economic subordination and the maneuvering of pieces on geopolitical chessboards. French generals, British diplomats and American missionaries were people with a plan. Their hubris, in Fisk's view, was to impose Western civilization on the people of the Middle East, and their efforts were part of a continuing "great war for civilisation" that has as its goal the conquest of the region.
>
> Fisk sees no good coming from these ceaseless interventions. Indeed, he argues that campaigns in the "war for civilisation" may begin with optimism but typically end in catastrophe--America's invasion of Iraq in March 2003 being a case in point. The invasion was informed not only by a willful contempt for history and an extravagant display of ethnocentrism but also by a framework of best-case scenarios and fantasies untouched by empirical knowledge of Iraq, as the case of the Iraqi Shiites illustrates. If a new Iraq emerges from the current violent stalemate, it will look very little like the exemplary democratic state that Bush or his chorus of war-boosters envisaged. In fact, it is likely to be closer to the Iranian model of "Islamic democracy," provided it does not descend further into civil war. Fisk's cynicism about Anglo-American policy in Iraq is richly borne out by the legacy of deprivation, death and disorder that the invasion, and the preceding decade of sanctions and nibbling attacks by the United States and Britain, have yielded.
>
> In the area around Basra in southern Iraq, to take one of many examples in Fisk's book, there has been a phenomenal epidemic of leukemia, breast and stomach cancer presumably connected to the introduction of an estimated 340 tons of radioactive material into the environment during the 1991 Gulf War. The source of the radioactivity? The profligate use of depleted uranium ammunition by the US military. In areas where the ammunition was fired in great quantities, cancer rates in children are as high as 71.8 per 100,000 compared with a regional average of 3.9 per 100,000. An Iraqi doctor reviewing his patient files tells Fisk, "Of fifteen cancer patients from one area, I have only two left. I am receiving children with cancer of the bone--this is incredible.... My God, I have performed mastectomies on two girls with cancer of the breast--one of them was only fourteen years old." Fisk calls this the product of "a policy of bomb now, die later."
>
> But is Iraq doomed to wallow in misery, or might something good come of this poorly conceived invasion? While there may be no escape from history, Fisk's dour emphasis on history's recurrent patterns risks producing a static picture of the region. In his eagerness to discover historical parallels, he sometimes fails to grasp the novel features of the present. As a result, he offers neither feasible prescriptions nor a persuasive analysis of possible outcomes. Even if one shares Fisk's skepticism of US motives in Iraq--and his conviction, echoed by the vast majority of Iraqis, that America's war is ultimately about oil--there is no question that politics in the region have been thrown off kilter by the occupation. The naïve conception of a democratic peace that has preoccupied George Bush--especially since Iraq's WMD larder proved to be empty--is irrelevant, except perhaps as an index of presidential gullibility, but after years of political stagnation there has clearly been a step-level change in the region......

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