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OR Ruminator Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 12:20 AM
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Sibel Edmonds is proof that the “War on Terror” is a Lie
more at: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/dave3_039.htm

An article by W. David Jenkins III which explains why we should be very, very concerned about the "randomly selected" judge overseeing the Libby trial.


"...So to quickly sum up, we have a judge with little background available, with long ties to the Bush’s, who someone doesn’t want the public to know his financial dealings, who has denied requests for domestic intelligence records (at least once), who has now been mysteriously “randomly assigned” to not only hear Edmonds’ FTC case, but is also assigned to a case regarding a senior White House official with whom this judge and the defendant worked with the White House at the same time, albeit in different capacities. Have we flunked the infamous Dan Burton “smell test” yet? "

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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 12:30 AM
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1. We are not at war with terror or terrorists or terrorism
If we are, this will be a never ending story


We are at war with Al Qaeda and allies
or Al Qaeda and its axis of allies


To concede we are at war with terror etc is to concede that those in power should stay in power until there is an end to terror etc in this world, which never was nor never will be
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 12:42 AM
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2. If that's the case, then we won four years ago.
Before 9/11, Bin Laden openly bragged to his would-be recruits that he had 40 men willing to die for him. 40. Not 400 or 4,000, just 40. And this was while he was trying to unsuccessfully recruit the so-called "Lackawanna Six" into his organization, so he would have had cause to inflate the number, not deflate it. Now, 19 of those 40 guys died on 9/11. That leaves 21, minus Zach Moose, or whatever the hell his name is. Now you have to wonder how many of those other 20 guys we killed when we swept through Afghanistan. Figure that if we did it right, we'd have gotten all of them, plus killed off the general Taliban presence. Ever since then, Bin Laden is either dead or hiding in an apartment in Pakistan, thus out of the picture. So not to put too fine a point on it, world terrorism within the last 4 years or so has largely been the creation of our war in Iraq.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:06 AM
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6. source on the 40? that would be a good one to use later
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:06 AM
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7. If you've heard Sibel's story, you'd realize that Al Qaeda
is a manufactured enemy - an enemy manufactured by those who claim to be protecting us.
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:39 AM
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8. Do you not think that is EXACTLY what they have in mind?
Have you never heard the arguments for America's PERMANENT War?

You might want to read a little document called "Rebuilding America's Defenses" by a little known group of your heroes called the Project for a New American Century. It is very enlightening - sort of a RePIGlican "Mein Kampf."
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 12:46 AM
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3. bushco is "terrified" We The People will figure out what's going on
and terrorize them with impeachment and prison sentences.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:15 AM
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4. Ashcroft gagged her, she was a threat to the WH. with what she knows
typical Bush story, anyone who can hurt them is fired or gagged ordered for national security!
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:50 AM
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5. They've probably killed some people, too
And then you have the anthrax attacks. Actually, they did kill one taget - the National Enquirer writer who wrote up the story of the Bush daughters drunkenly grinding.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:59 AM
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9. National security vs. whistle-blowing
http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2006/0124/p02s01-uspo.html

NEW YORK - Former intelligence officer Russ Tice wants to tell Congress about what he believes were illegal actions undertaken by the National Security Agency in its highly sophisticated eavesdropping programs.

But he can't. He's been warned by the NSA that the information is so highly classified that even members of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees - who are charged with overseeing the work of the intelligence community - don't have clearance to hear about them. If Mr. Tice talks at the hearings early next month, he could face criminal prosecution.

Tice is one of an increasing number of whistle-blowers in the national security realm who have come forth and found themselves in a bind.

...
The combination has stripped many employees intent on exposing wrongdoing of their congressionally promised protections, according to Sibel Edmonds, founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, a group of more than 100 employees from the nation's intelligence and defense agencies.

"These are experienced veterans who've been working for these agencies for a long time," says Ms. Edmonds. "The moment they reported wrongdoing, their whole lives changed. They became pariahs overnight."

Most lost their security clearance, were demoted, or lost their jobs altogether. Edmonds has firsthand experience. She was a language specialist in the FBI's Washington Field Office. After she reported another translator was omitting information vital to national security, she was fired. Her case is currently in the courts, but the Bush administration has invoked the state's secrets privilege, which gives it the right to withhold all information on the case from the courts because of national security.

The FBI has declined comment on the case since it is still pending, but in an e-mail FBI spokesman Bill Carter wrote: "FBI Director Mueller has expressed his firm commitment to the protection of employees who report organizational wrongdoing
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:33 AM
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10. What happens if we learn that some of these Bush appointees are
involved in the Sibel FBI scandal, and the intelligence agencies kept mum about it? Isn't that grounds for treason?
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 10:48 AM
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11. We're at war with our own consumption.
America is at a turning point. Very shortly we will not be able to turn back, without repealing everything Bush did. If the Sibel's of America dare to speak the truth, they will be jailed. In a real Democracy, that would not be considered justice, and they would be released as what they are- whistleblowers. But in this new country, this nonamerican country, Sibel will not be released. And she knows it. And she will not speak. And neither will others.

As for terrorism- it is our grabbing of the resources that do not belong to us that has caused it. And nothing else. Whether it was the rubber on the wheels of the early cars, or the gasoline that went in the tanks, to bananas, coffee, and the sugar that goes in it.
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:01 PM
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12. Well...She's hankerin' to write a book
I know I'll be first in line in my town to snag it.
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Hestia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:50 PM
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13. Sibel's claims....
FWIW -

<snippage>

What are Sibel's Main Claims?
Sibel makes 2 specific related claims
a) Sibel claims that she has information which proves that senior officials knew that there were plans to attack America months before 9/11.

<snippage>

b) Sibel claims that she has evidence of a global multi-billion dollar smuggling/dealing network of weapons and drug which is hidden in plain view. Of course, there is also the requisite money-laundering infrastructure. She claims that the network comprises senior american government officials, terrorists, and 'unsavoury regimes.'

and they merge, giving us:
“drug trafficking, money laundering, foreign names and American names directly involved in the financing of the 9-11 attacks on WTC (World Trade Center) and the Pentagon.”


(kind of a convaluted read, but very interesting)

more... http://wotisitgood4.blogspot.com/2005/12/sibel-edmonds-brewster-jennings_28.html
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