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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:12 AM
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Democrats May Argue Liberties to Their Peril (will Rove's 911 win in 06?)
Question: The case for civil liberties and against presidential power will "work" for Dems - or the GOP - the party of protection in a nation that wants protection? While a demonstration of strength and conviction is always a winner compared to being a "flip/flopper", will having such a spine work on a "loser" issue and impress the voters?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-civil25jan25,0,1576651.story?track=tottext,0,3259362.story?track=tothtml


Democrats May Argue Liberties to Their Peril
The GOP appears eager to portray the challenge to presidential authority as weakness on security.
By Ronald Brownstein
Times Staff Writer

January 25, 2006

WASHINGTON — Leading Democrats are challenging President Bush's record on civil liberties across a wide front, inspiring a Republican counterattack that even some Democratic strategists worry could threaten the party in this year's elections.

From Bush's authorization of warrantless surveillance by the National Security Agency to renewal of the Patriot Act, the president and his critics are battling more intently than at any time since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks over the proper balance between national security and personal liberty.

In each of these disputes, prominent Democrats — joined by a few Republicans — accuse Bush of improperly expanding presidential power and dangerously constricting the rights of Americans. Bush and his allies have fired back by escalating charges that Democrats would weaken America's security by imposing unreasonable restraints on the president.

These exchanges establish contrasts familiar from debates over law enforcement and national security throughout the 1970s and '80s, with most Republicans arguing for tough measures and many Democrats focusing on the defense of constitutional protections. <snip>

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/breaking_news/13703872.htm

How will terror issue play in '06?

By Dick Polman
Inquirer Political Analyst

<snip>Painting the Democrats as national security wimps worked well in 2002; even Max Cleland, the triple-amputee war hero from Georgia, was depicted as a threat to the homeland and voted out of his Senate seat. The Republicans regained control of the Senate, expanded their majority in the House, and have ruled Capitol Hill ever since.

<snip>The Bush administration hopes so. Given the toxic political climate, Republicans can ill afford to lose either chamber in November; it's a cinch bet that majority Democrats, armed with subpoena power, would launch numerous congressional probes on every facet of the Iraq war, just for starters. Hence Rove's desire to reprise 2002 - this time, by seeking to paint Democrats as weaklings because of their concerns about the President's warrantless-surveillance program.<snip>

Despite all this public restiveness, most Democrats don't seem eager to confront Bush and Rove directly on this issue. No Democrat in Congress has demanded that the NSA program be suspended until hearings (slated to start Feb. 6) are completed. The minority party still seems worried that Bush's visceral argument about protecting lives has more punch with the average person than the more abstract argument about legal niceties.

<snip>Harry Reid, the Senate Democratic leader, took a stab at the problem yesterday. He sought in a speech to demonstrate that Democrats need to out-macho Bush, to contend that they will be even tougher on terrorists - that they, unlike Bush, would secure our ports, give troops enough body armor, and track al-Qaeda operatives without threatening to "trample" the Constitution.<snip>





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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:21 AM
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1. Oh Fer GAWD's Sake!
I am getting SICK of these kinds of articles and it is not surprise coming from the LAT. What a bunch of steaming pap.

I no longer read the LA Times since they sacked one of the best LAT editorialists ever. Never read the Philly paper. Most media today are just a bunch of FAUX wannabe propagandists ~ full of hot air and lies.

Cat In Seattle
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Village Idiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:24 AM
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2. "Dick Polman?" SHURLEY, you jesht, shir!
Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 11:33 AM by Village Idiot
"Ronald Brownstein???" HOLY CRAP!

On edit:

I used to have a client named (and I am not kidding) "Richard (Just call me "Dick") Lickens."

This shit is just too funny to make up!

I wonder if "Haywood Jabloeme" is still the "Lifestyles" editor at the LAT? I think it really hurt the paper's editorial board when Fudgie McPacker got shitcanned last July 4th for lewd conduct.

LAWD, LAWD, LAWD - LA's just too darn weird for ME!!!
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:30 AM
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4. LOL :-)
:-)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:26 AM
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3. Will The People be spooked into accepting tyranny, or will they not?
:think:

This article is a steaming pile of Equine Rectal Extrusion Artifacts (EREA).
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:53 PM
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5. Bush has not made us more secure and his spying program is
illegal.

We need to have this fight. He can't even capture bin Laden, what make everybody think he actually can keep us safer, when he can't even capture the terrorist who attacked us on 9/11? leaving him out their to do more recruiting of terrorists.

We haven't been attacked here yet, not because of Bush's security measures, but more to the point- because we have been lucky and it takes time to carry out a large attack.We will be attacked again if we don't take the 9/11 commissioners report seriously and implement the changes recommended.

Bush's spy program is not going to keep us safe. Addressing serious breaches of security in the country would be more effective and would not be illegal.

Bush got caught with his pants down during Katrina- Katrina proved we weren't ready for any type of emergency situation. How long do you think it will be before another serious or dangerous situation arises? Are we going to be prepared? Or are we going to be preoccupied listening in on phone calls?
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VivaLasVegan Donating Member (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:50 PM
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6. When I Lived In Hawaii
there was a Dr. Peter Clapp residing in the upscale community of Lanikai. Of course he was a urologist...
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:53 PM
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7. Our founding fathers argued liberties to their peril also.
It's too bad, we have forgotten that today, and become a nation of pansies.
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