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Edited on Wed Feb-01-06 03:03 PM by TheWraith
"What this disinformation artist fails to point out"
So you couldn't rebut my information on its merits, you had to resort to the personal attack and smear? Nice.
And what you fail to mention is that most of these results from Google are completely unsubstantiated, unresearched statements of the type that got this thread started. Please tell me exactly how three different expert sources, including the IAEA, are all lying about the effects of depleted uranium or the research conducted on it.
"pictures of Iraqi children"
You're playing the heartstrings card--the irrational supposition that somehow, if I don't agree that depleted uranium is responsible for a radioactive death cloud, I'm betraying the poor crippled Iraqi children. Again, you have nothing to actually rebut my data? If you'd bothered to look at the facts, you would know that heavy metals like uranium are capable of causing genetic damage on their own, with no need for radiation. I'm not saying this is or is not main cause--see below for a few of the massive toxic events in Iraq over the last 20 years--but it's the facts.
"vast amount of data regarding the increase in Iraqi cancers?"
Actually, if you bother to look, there is very little real data about cancer in Iraq. There's a lot of secondhand information and claims, but very little serious clinical information about how many cases there are, what type, what caused them, etcetera. So we're hardly in a position to say what of the many possible causes, from heavy metal poisoning, to the bombing of chemical weapons sites, to atmospheric fall-out from the oil well fires in '91, could be responsible for a rise in rates. All of these things and more I didn't mention would possess ample direct toxic and mutagenic qualities to cause a host of ailments.
"tens of thousands now afflicted with radiation poison"
Are you not listening, or are you simply ignoring the facts? Look up the scientific definition of radiation poisoning. You'll find out that depleted uranium doesn't put out one tenth, not even one one hundredth of enough radiation to cause radiation poisoning. It's a simple scientific fact, and no matter how much depleted uranium you throw around. Alpha particles can't cause radiation poisoning--only gamma rays can. And depleted uranium doesn't produce gamma rays.
Not to mention the fact that you're assuming facts not in evidence. Show me one person coming back from Iraq who has radiation poisoning, or who is even mildly radioactive. This should be easy to do if your claims are true. Just take a Giger counter (they're easy to get, look on eBay) and scan returning GIs.
"For a clearer understanding of the DU problem, in a scientific and objective article, take this link below."
One, your link goes to an anti-nuclear website. Just thought I'd point that out, as it's a source considerably more prone to exaggeration than the IAEA. And second, your source backs ME up. Read:
...12,400 atomic transformations every second, each of which releases an energetic alpha particle.
Do a Google search for alpha radiation to learn a little about it. You'll find that it's nonpersistent and ultra-short range--they can only travel about an inch before they morph into helium. More to the point, they can't penetrate human skin, or even paper. If you inhale alpha emitters, that can cause damage and an increased risk of lung cancer--although in the case of depleted uranium, if you inhale it, you're also going to be dealing with heavy metal related issues, which can also damage lung tissue. I've said it before and I'll say it again: the only radiological risk from depleted uranium is if it's pulverized and inhaled. This presents a temporary risk to the people within the immediate area of a bomb detonation, but beyond that, the primary danger is heavy metal.
Uranium and all of its decay products, with the exception of radon which is a gas, are heavy metals. Unlike some other heavy metals which are needed in trace quantities by the human body, there is no known benefit to having uranium in the body. It is always a contaminant.
Again, talking about heavy metal poisoning as the biggest danger, not radiation.
Only later do they go off talking about radiation, but even then they aren't talking about gamma radiation, which is the dangerous kind--they're talking about alpha exposure from uranium sublimated into the body. While this sort of alpha exposure may be slightly dangerous in terms of cell damage, the person in question would be in even more danger from the toxic effects of the uranium itself, because the quantities needed to produce a sizable dose of alpha particles would likely cause serious internal organ damage.
"Masters of disinformation will always try to point us in the wrong direction. That is their job."
Still nothing better to rebut me with? You sound desperate.
"Ask yourselves, why does this person rabidly deny the effects of DU?"
I "rabidly deny" this bubble-like reality you've created where depleted uranium creates a radioactive death cloud. It's just not true. The other negative effects of depleted uranium aside, massive radiation is NOT one of them. But feel free to keep believing it.
How about we ask ourselves why you're so hell-bent on claiming that depleted uranium is some kind of deliberate radioactive genocide perpetuated by the US and completely covered up by EVERY major scientific establishment, EVERY news outlet, and EVERY soldier who's been in Iraq? Because that's what it would take to cover up a radioactive death cloud. Could it be because you have some kind of personal crusade against anything that has ever been related to the word nuclear?
"And buddy, please don't cite US government/Pentagon articles and studies."
Then tell me how the IAEA and the Australasian Radiation Protection Society are both complicit in this genocide theory you're so cheerfully pushing. When you can do that, then you can get away with dismissing the DOD studies--which were done under CLINTON, if you didn't bother to actually read them.
"Disinfo King: How can you look at the vast amount of images of deformities in chidren and still deny the radiation from DU and its tremendous effects on the human body? What deluded world do you live in?"
I live in a world of science, where I don't look at something and assume that the boogeyman did it, which is what your genocide by radioactive death cloud theory comes down to. Elementary reasoning could tell you that birth defects can be caused by a vast number of factors, but you take the opposite of the scientific view. You start with a conclusion, then either twist or make up facts to fit your viewpoint. If you were actually interested in getting the answers, instead of blatantly exploiting maimed children for your own personal agenda, you would seek to find out exactly what was and is causing issues currently seen in Iraq.
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