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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:48 AM
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Driving Toward Middle East Nukes in Our S.U.V.'s-Thomas Friedman, NY Times



The world stands today at a very dangerous dividing line. It is the dividing line between the post-cold-war world, which we have known since 1989 — one of expanding democracy and free markets — and a post-post-cold-war world, which is unknown but almost certain to be a much less stable, prosperous and benign place.

I believe the questions that will determine whether we enter the post-post-cold-war world will come down to two: how India, China and Russia deal with Iran's nuclear ambitions, and how the West, particularly America, deals with $60-a-barrel oil.

Let me explain: if Iran develops a nuclear bomb, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and possibly other Sunni Arab states are bound to follow. The Sunni Arabs can overlook Israel's bomb, but they will never stand for the Persian Shiites having a bomb and them not. That's about brothers with a centuries-old rivalry. And if the Arab world starts to go nuclear, then you will see the crumbling of the whole global nuclear nonproliferation regime.

A world with so many nuclear powers, particularly in its primary oil-producing region, could only be a more dangerous and unstable place, compared with the post-cold-war world. Imagine Iran with $60-a-barrel oil to make all the mischief it wants, and a nuclear weapon to shield it from any retaliation. Indeed, if you want to know what the post-post-cold-war world would sound like, listen to Iran's poisonous president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He was quoted in The Guardian of London the other day as saying: "Our enemies cannot do a damn thing. We do not need you at all. But you are in need of the Iranian nation."

I'm convinced that the only countries capable of getting Iran to back down — through diplomacy — are China, India and Russia. Europe is too weak, and America has already used every economic sanction it can on Iran. China, India and Russia have been great beneficiaries of the post-cold-war order, and the trade, economic development and exports it has made possible. That order was largely shaped and safeguarded by the United States, with China, India and Russia often getting a free ride.

But that order will continue only if China, India and Russia get over their reluctance to get too close to America and become real stakeholders in maintaining this post-cold-war world.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:57 AM
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1. Why, what a coincidence Tom
Your post-cold-war world coincides nicely with the Clinton Presidency, and the less-benign post-post-cold-war with that of Junior.

For the crumbling of the whole "global nuclear nonproliferation regime" we have only one regime to blame--our own.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 12:59 AM
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2. "Europe is too weak, and America has already used every
economic sanction it can on Iran." That is not comforting news. Only China, India & Russia will be able to use diplomacy on Iran to keep them from getting nukes. We are constantly reminded of how bush has bungled world diplomacy. Our old European allies have been made weaker by our arrogant and bullying tactics and now Iran may have us backed in a corner. Good work bushco. Impeachment may be the only thing that will show the world we are not ALL idiots here in the good ol' USA.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 02:03 AM
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3. I can't stand...
...this sanctimonious clown.

"Hey look, I'm a columnist with my head so far up my butt I can see what I ate for breakfast."

"Have you heard about my "flat earth" theory?"

"Listen to me. I'm important! I write for the Times."

"Have you seen me interview Muslims. Did you know they all want to kill us?"

"Let's get Iran to 'back down' while we bomb everyone into little red flesh balls."

"Wheeeee. These late's are strong tonight."

Tom Friedman...all the hate fit to print.
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Coastie for Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 03:59 AM
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4. I give the Times more credibility then Counterpunch
and rank Friedman ahead of Cockburn
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:28 AM
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6. what a spot on description
:hi: Great to see and read ya!
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 06:52 AM
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5. Dead wrong, Tom!
"China, India and Russia have been great beneficiaries of the post-cold-war order"
Russia?
Russia???
What in the hell are you talking about, Tom?????????
Russia have seen the rollback of it's geopolitical sphere of influence by
a relentless push from the western countries up until Vladimir Putin
came to power. Now that he has turned the tables on the west, mostly because
of the neocons' strategic mistakes, expect no mercy from him!
And since the overthrow of the US status as a dominant power is also a chinese
strategic goal, China will be working closely with Russia to make sure it
happens.
To get India on its side will be a consolation prize for the US, but since
I'm sure indians ar clever enough to know that for americans ally = vassal,
I very much doubt that the indians will ever settle for being a sattelite
state of the US empire...
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-10-06 07:30 AM
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7. Coastie for Truth:
Please be aware that DU copyright rules require that excerpts of copyrighted material be limited to four paragraphs and must include a link to the original source.

In the future, please insure your posts adhere to this standard.

TIA,

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