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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:12 PM
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9/11 And The Sport of God (Bill Moyers)
This article is adapted from Bill Moyer's address this week at Union Theological Seminary in New York, where Judith and Bill Moyers received the seminary’s highest award, the Union Medal, for their contributions to faith and reason in America. Bill Moyers is a broadcast journalist and former host the PBS program NOW With Bill Moyers. Moyers also serves as president of the Schumann Center for Media and Democracy, which gives financial support to TomPaine.com.

At the Central Baptist Church in Marshall, Texas, where I was baptized in the faith, we believed in a free church in a free state. I still do.

My spiritual forbears did not take kindly to living under theocrats who embraced religious liberty for themselves but denied it to others. “Forced worship stinks in God’s nostrils,” thundered the dissenter Roger Williams as he was banished from Massachusetts for denying Puritan authority over his conscience. Baptists there were a “pitiful negligible minority” but they were agitators for freedom and therefore denounced as “incendiaries of the commonwealth” for holding to their belief in that great democracy of faith—the priesthood of all believers. For refusing to pay tribute to the state religion they were fined, flogged, and exiled. In l651 the Baptist Obadiah Holmes was given 30 stripes with a three-corded whip after he violated the law and took forbidden communion with another Baptist in Lynn, Massachusetts. His friends offered to pay his fine for his release but he refused. They offered him strong drink to anesthetize the pain of the flogging. Again he refused. It is the love of liberty, he said, “that must free the soul.”

Such revolutionary ideas made the new nation with its Constitution and Bill of Rights “a haven for the cause of conscience.” No longer could magistrates order citizens to support churches they did not attend and recite creeds that they did not believe. No longer would “the loathsome combination of church and state”—as Thomas Jefferson described it—be the settled order. Unlike the Old World that had been wracked with religious wars and persecution, the government of America would take no sides in the religious free-for-all that liberty would make possible and politics would make inevitable. The First Amendment neither inculcates religion nor inoculates against it. Americans could be loyal to the Constitution without being hostile to God, or they could pay no heed to God without fear of being mugged by an official God Squad. It has been a remarkable arrangement that guaranteed “soul freedom.”

It is at risk now, and the fourth observance of the terrorist attacks of 9/ll is an appropriate time to think about it. Four years ago this week, the poet’s prophetic metaphor became real again and “the great dark birds of history” plunged into our lives.

They came in the name of God. They came bent on murder and martyrdom. It was as if they rode to earth on the fierce breath of Allah himself, for the sacred scriptures that had nurtured these murderous young men are steeped in images of a violent and vengeful God who wills life for the faithful and horrific torment for unbelievers.

http://www.theocracywatch.org/new_bill_moyers_toompaine_sept9_05.htm
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:41 PM
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1. Bill & Judith Moyers are national treasures
They are resolutely honest and necessarily brave. Their sane voices are more important now than ever.

Thanks for the post and link.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 02:31 AM
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2. This is awesome!
He calls it like it is. The last thing we should do is try to pacify these fuckers. It doesn't work. Appeasement is defeat.
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Tim Howells Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 04:05 AM
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3. Beautiful Language - too bad he knows nothing about 911 ...
Fantasy:

"They came in the name of God. They came bent on murder and martyrdom. It was as if they rode to earth on the fierce breath of Allah himself, for the sacred scriptures that had nurtured these murderous young men {bla bla bla}" (Bill Moyers)


Fact:

The keystone of the "official story" on the events of September 11 is that the hijackers were fanatical Islamic fundamentalists, opposed to all products of Western culture. They are presented to us as pure warriors of Allah, prepared not only to kill, but to die for their religion. Their supposed austere and ascetic approach to life and death is presented to us in the will and testament of their leader, Mohammed Atta. We find here a long list of severe admonitions including:

... 9. The person who will wash my body near my genitals must wear gloves on his hands so he won't touch my genitals. 10. I want the clothes I wear to consist of three white pieces of cloth, not to be made of silk or expensive material. 11. I don't want any women to go to my grave at all during my funeral or on any occasion thereafter. ... {etc., etc., etc.}

"Atta's Will Found--Suspected Hijacker Left Strict Instructions," ABCNEWS, October 4, 2001
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/personal/attawill.html


It could hardly be otherwise; who other than a totally dedicated religious fanatic would be capable of deliberately incinerating himself in such a horrific manner together with several of his closest comrades and thousands of innocent victims?

It was soon discovered that this image was completely false. In fact, most of the hijackers were thoroughly Americanized and enjoyed quite wild, hedonistic lifestyles. Several of the them, including the leader and "suicide pilot" Mohammed Atta, were frequently seen out bar hopping, smoking and getting drunk. They sometimes engaged lap-dancers and prostitutes:

”"Feds investigating possible terrorist-attack links in Florida," Ken Thomas, Associated Press, September 12, 2001
http://www.sptimes.com/News/091201/Worldandnation/update5.shtml

"Terrorists partied with hooker at Hub-area hotel," Dave Wedge, Boston Herald, October 10, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20011010224657/http:/www.bostonherald.com/attack/investigation/ausprob10102001.htm


In Boston the night before the hijackings the WTC hijackers tried to engage some prostitutes, but then backed out because they decided it was too expensive:

"Sept. 10--Hijackers said to seek prostitutes," Shelley Murphy and Douglas Belkin, Boston Globe Online, October 10, 2001
http://web.archive.org/web/20011011012426/http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/283/metro/Hijackers_said_to_seek_prostitutes-.shtml


These are not the actions of Islamic fanatics on their way to die for Allah! It certainly appears that the hijackers did not know that this was a suicide mission, and were not genuine Islamic fundamentalists.

15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudis, mostly from wealthy families. In fact, most of the hijackers are typical of the wealthy, high-rolling, hedonistic Saudis who turn up over and over again in covert operations sponsored by the administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr. and Jr. These scandals include Iran-Contra, the Savings and Loan Scandal (by far the most massive financial rip-off in history), the massive money-laundering that led to the collapse of BCCI, a Pakistani bank with strong ties to the CIA, and, more recently, the Enron scandal. The connection to U.S. intelligence is more than speculative; several of the hijackers had training at secure military installations in the U.S.<2> The locations where the hijackers received training include:

- The Pensacola Naval Air Station
- Lackland Air Force Base
- Air War College in Montgomery, Alabama
- Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama
- The Defense Language Institute in Monterey

"Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases--The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI," George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry, NEWSWEEK, September 15, 2001
http://archives.zinester.com/15627/44380.html

"Did Bush Know?--Warning Signs of 9-11 and Intelligence Failures," Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, May 18, 2002
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html (This is a long file. A string search on "military sources" will take you to the right paragraph.)


There is further compelling evidence that the hijackers were in fact recruits of the CIA based on the manner in which they obtained their visas to live in the United States. The National Review has published a careful study of this question that concludes that the awarding of visas to these applicants is "inexplicable." This is the strong consensus opinion of several government officials with extensive hands-on experience with the process of issuing visas in this part of the world:

All six experts strongly agreed that even allowing for human error, no more than a handful of the visa applications should have managed to slip through the cracks. Making the visa lapses even more inexplicable, the State Department claims that at least 11 of the 15 were interviewed by consular officers. Nikolai Wenzel, one of the former consular officers who analyzed the forms, declares that State's issuance of the visas "amounts to criminal negligence."

"Visas that Should Have Been Denied--A look at 9/11 terrorists’ visa applications," Joel Mowbray, National Review Online, October 9, 2002
http://www.nationalreview.com/mowbray/mowbray100902.asp


The great majority of the hijackers' visas, 15 of them, were issued at the U.S. consular office in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Michael Springman, formerly the head U.S. consular officer in Jeddah has shed light on how and why these visas were issued. According to Springman:

"In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high level State Department officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants. These were, essentially, people who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained bitterly at the time there. I returned to the US, I complained to the State Dept here, to the General Accounting Office, to the Bureau of Diplomatic Security and to the Inspector General's office. I was met with silence ...

"What I was protesting was, in reality, an effort to bring recruits, rounded up by Osama Bin Laden, to the US for terrorist training by the CIA. They would then be returned to Afghanistan to fight against the then-Soviets."

"Has someone been sitting on the FBI?," Greg Palast, BBC Newsnight, November 6, 2001
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1645527.stm



So it certainly appears that at least 15 of the 19 hijackers were CIA recruits, trained at secure military facilities in the United States, and operating here under the protection and sponsorship of the U.S. government.

The hijackers' drinking and partying is certainly more typical of youthful Westernized military recruits than devout fundamentalist Moslems. It is sometimes claimed that they were just pretending to be Westernized in order to "blend in" and escape detection. This makes no sense at all. Even if they had been seen to be devout Muslims, that would hardly make them terrorists. And they made no attempt at all to hide their really suspicious activities, for example shopping around for crop dusting equipment!

In one incident Mohammed Atta applied for a loan from the Department of Agriculture to purchase a crop duster:

"Face to Face With a Terrorist--Government Worker Recalls Mohamed Atta Seeking Funds Before Sept. 11," Brian Ross, ABCNEWS, June 6, 2002
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2002/abcnews060602.html


In the first place, it's odd that Atta bothered with a loan at all, since it's clear that the amount of the loan was pocket change to the people funding him. Atta used his real name, and made sure the interviewer spelled it correctly. During the interview, Atta praised bin Laden as "the world's greatest leader," discussed the possibility of blowing up U.S. landmarks, including the World Trade Center, and generally behaved like a raving lunatic. Nice blending in!

In another incident Atta spoke with James Lester of South Florida Crop Care in Belle Glade, Florida regarding the purchase of crop dusting equipment. Again, Atta made sure that he would be remembered:

"I recognized him because he stayed on my feet all the time. I just about had to push him away from me."

"Virginia man charged with helping hijackers get IDs," Associated Press, September 25, 2001
http://www.courttv.com/assault_on_america/0925_hijackers_fakeids_ap.html


Far from trying to blend in, Atta operated quite openly and even seems to have deliberately tried to draw attention to himself as a potential terrorist. He acted as though he wanted to build a "legend" as a terrorist, and as though he had guaranteed protection from high inside the U.S. government. Evidence that this was in fact the case will be discussed later.

Tim Howells
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 07:45 PM
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4. 9/11 hysteria.
As the previous poster has pointed out, the hijackers had less to do with religious fundamentalism, and much more to do with being pawns of earthly politics.

This smacks of the kind of Islamophobia that has backfired on Bush.
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