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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:46 PM
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IT TURNS OUT BUSH WAS RIGHT ABOUT IRAQ'S QUEST FOR URANIUM
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 10:54 PM by norml
Here's a good editorial, for you to poop on.

Opinion

IT TURNS OUT BUSH WAS RIGHT ABOUT IRAQ'S QUEST FOR URANIUM

By John Leo
Sun Apr 16, 8:31 PM ET


In a surprising editorial, The Washington Post deviated from the conventional anti-Bush media position on two counts. It said President Bush was right to declassify parts of a National Intelligence Estimate to make clear why he thought Saddam Hussein was seeking nuclear weapons. And the editorial said ex-ambassador Joseph Wilson was wrong to think he had debunked Bush on the nuclear charge because Wilson's statements after visiting Niger actually "supported the conclusion that Iraq had sought uranium."

In the orthodox narrative line, Wilson is the truth-teller and the Bush the liar. But Wilson was not speaking truthfully when he said his wife, Victoria Plame, had nothing to do with the CIA sending him to Niger. And it obviously wasn't true, as Wilson claimed, that he had found nothing to support Bush's charge about Niger when he (Wilson) had been told that the Iraqis were poking around in that uranium-rich nation.

Testifying before the Senate intelligence committee, Wilson said that the former prime minister of Niger told him he had been asked to meet with Iraqis to talk about "expanding commercial relations" between the two countries. Everybody knew what that meant; Niger has nothing much to trade other than uranium.

Christopher Hitchens made the latter point last week in a muscular column subtitled "Sorry, everyone, but Iraq did go uranium shopping in Niger." The "Sorry, everyone" phrase indicates the strength of the reigning orthodoxy -- that Bush simply lied when he uttered the famous 16 words in his 2003 State of the Union speech: "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."


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http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&q=%22John+Leo%22+bush+right+uranium&btnG=Search+News
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:52 PM
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1. rotflmao!!!
Poor idiots.

Rightwingnuts; stupidest MFers on the planet. But gotta give em credit for tenacity; they don't give up, no matter how ridiculously stupid they make themselves look.

:rofl:
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:53 PM
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2. Lets see
Me think they sell oil to US hmmm top 5 too
Go get a brain, nothing to sell.

What twisted logic of a concluesion.
An insult to all Americans
Shoving garbage down throats
Poor young Americans
Brains totally fuck
Trully amazing screwing with people brains
Is this the USA today.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:57 PM
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6. Yes it is America today
Sad beyond belief. No hope, no concern for the betterment of its citizens. W has killed America.

Our money goes into profits for the rich and imperialism all under a facade of theocracy.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:14 PM
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11. Scary
Such twisting of logic not good.
It is like longterm conditioning to think in certain manner.
Such mindset always a danger to society

Making excuse is a human tendencies
It is a weakness that make one less a human being unable to acknowledge one mistake
Such behaviour can ultimately destroy one lifes and lifes of people around us.

Your president now is such a person
Need not look far at the consquences of such mindset

But the damage cause when such mindset and twisting of logic are make on a massive scale
And use as a norm of normal behaviour is threating far beyond the present.
Screwing around with the mind of the people on proper behaviour
Aaaaargh totally disgusting, What kind of society they are leaving behind for their future generations.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:13 PM
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9. Actually, the oil-producing country is Nigeria. . .
Niger produces very little oil, and in fact its economy "centers on subsistence crops, livestock, and some of the world's largest uranium deposits."
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:03 AM
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17. My my bad
Me though all the will Nigeria :hide:
Whee better remember that
Embarassing mistake :rofl:
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:53 PM
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3. Well, why hasn't Bush gone after North Korea
or Syria (where the right-wingers claimed Saddam moved his WMD's)
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mishanti Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:55 PM
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4. WTF???
I do clearly remember Ambassador Wilson saying there were no attempts to buy...the papers were forged and I know I just read this week the names of the Italians who forged the documents. Am I getting confused or what??
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:59 PM
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7. No you're not confused; there was NO attempt by Iraq to get yellowcake
from Niger. FACT.

Wilson's report said there were NO attempts by Iraq to get yellowcake from Niger. FACT.

Chris "I'm a MFing moran" Hitchens is just being his usual MFing moran self.

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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:30 PM
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21. Hitchens needs to check himself into any clinic that'll take him
desperate and beyond irritating.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 10:55 PM
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5. in a "muscular" column ?!
:wtf:
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joemurphy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:13 PM
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10. If I remember rightly, Wilson reported that some Niger
Edited on Sun Apr-16-06 11:18 PM by joemurphy
official said that some Iraqis wanted to talk about expanding trade. The official told Wilson he blew them off. Wilson didn't think this meant much and said so. The Niger uranium was controlled by a French consortium that kept a strict account of what was bought and exported.

It's a little unclear who Leo (and Hitchens) is referring to in his article.
The Iraqi that everyone is referring to appears to have been Hissam al-Zawahrie, the Iraqi ambassador to the Vatican, who talked to the Niger president in February, 1999 -- an event that was well-known to everyone and which was reported in a lot of European papers at the time. Iraq, at the time, was under blockade and was trying to get other African countries to trade with it to undermine the trade blockade and boost its prestige. What ever came of these talks and whether uranium was discussed is unknown. But one thing is certain, if Saddam was trying to get uranium from Niger in 1999(which is highly doubtful, because (1) we now know the Iraqi nuclear program was scrapped in 1991; and (2) Iraq already had plenty of yellowcake -- it was all under UN seal and well accounted for by UN inspectors), he wasn't successful in this endeavor. No uranium whatsoever was sold by Niger as a result of the contacts that Wilson reported. Indeed, the last time Niger sold any uranium to Iraq was back in the 1980s.

If this is the "evidence" that Saddam was trying to get uranium, it's awfully lame. Just because the Iraqis wanted to hold trade talks with Niger doesn't mean they were seeking to buy uranium. Wilson reported the same thing to the CIA.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:44 PM
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14. absolutely correct, all this is well documented
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:02 PM
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8. the article refers to niger's adjectival form as "nigerian"
proving that the author can't do research very well.

the adjectival form of "niger" is either "niger", "neigerien", or "nigerois", depending on who you ask.

but "nigerian" is the adjectival form of "nigeria", a different country altogether.
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:41 PM
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12. complete timeline about Iraq and nukes here
http://www.nti.org/e_research/profiles/Iraq/Nuclear/2121_2122.html

note :

5 November 2005
The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation concludes that financial gain, not desire to influence foreign policy, was the motivation underlying the forgery of documents regarding Nigerian uranium ore sought by Iraq.
--"FBI: Financial Gain Drove Uranium Forgery," Associated Press, 5 November 2005.

1 February 2005
The CIA releases an unusual report officially disavowing those assessments that it made prior to the invasion of Iraq due to subsequent findings that disprove such notions. The report, dated 18 January 2005, is titled "Iraq: No Large-Scale Chemical Warfare Efforts since Early 1990s" and claims Iraq gave up its chemical and nuclear weapons programs in 1991. The report is considered unusual by the intelligence community due to the fact that the CIA generally does not contradict prior intelligence estimates. The Iraq Survey Group provided the information for the report, and David Kay, former head of the team, asserts "we were almost all wrong."
--Greg Miller, "CIA Corrects Itself on Arms," Los Angeles Times, 1 February 2005.


30 September 2004
The Iraq Survey Group (ISG) releases a comprehensive report detailing its findings related to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. In it, the ISG reports that Saddam Hussein wanted to recreate Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction capabilities after sanctions were removed. Inspectors also believe that while Hussein aspired to develop a nuclear weapons capability, his post-sanction planning was more geared toward the development of ballistic missiles and tactical chemical warfare capabilities. Among its other findings, the ISG says Saddam Hussein ended Iraq’s nuclear program following the first Gulf War in 1991. No evidence suggests a coordinated effort to restart that program thereafter. Hussein did, however, express his intent to maintain the intellectual capital that had developed within the nuclear program prior to 1991, but the ISG found that this was in a process of decay in successive years. Iraq also sought to conceal elements of its program from inspectors following the 1991 war. The regime’s secretive efforts included concealing and preserving documents related to the nuclear program, hiding technology, and transferring many nuclear scientists to jobs in Iraq’s Military Industrial Commission (MIC) where they would maintain their weapons knowledge and gain ongoing hands-on experience. In addition, the ISG report states that specific projects, including efforts to build a rail gun and copper vapor laser, might have been useful in future activities aimed at restarting a nuclear weapons program, but they did not uncover evidence of such a purpose. The report also concludes that Saddam Hussein purposefully sought to spread ambiguity about his weapons of mass destruction capabilities. According to interviews conducted by the ISG, he privately told his aides that he sought to deceive the world about his weapons capabilities in order to avoid appearing weak as well as to deter aggression from Iraq’s neighbors, especially Iran. However, the inspectors’ analysis concludes that the regime never reconciled the inherent contradiction between international demands for disarmament and this desire to maintain a strategic deterrent.
—"Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD," Central Intelligence Agency, 30 September 2004, http://www.cia.gov/.

in another words Hitchens denies what the CIA and the FBI already have said : Saddam didn't do anything to restart a nuclear activity in Iraq after 1991, but maybe considered ambiguous in his private speeches on the matter...
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:43 PM
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13. "Victoria Plame?"
Is that her real name?
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:46 PM
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15. freudian slip : he thought "Victoria's Secret"
her name is Valerie
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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-16-06 11:51 PM
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16. That's a muscular mistake
in a shitload of shoddy reporting!
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 12:24 AM
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18. My little friend his name is Chri$$y
Edited on Mon Apr-17-06 12:24 AM by ItsTheMediaStupid
Had himself a well paid hi$$y.

Spewed a pack of right wing lies
For the BushBoy's alibis

This whole spin - oh so phoney
Another chunk of bad baloney

Edited to add dollar signs

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 02:27 AM
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19. John Leo-
Hard to believe that guy's still around spreading his drivel.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, to be sure. Looks like his big gig is still U Snooze & World Distort. Does anyone still read that rag? It was a joke even in the 80's.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-17-06 11:38 AM
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20. GOP PR RULE #1 Never change a talking point even in face of facts
Repeat the point.

Have party hacks repeat the point.

Have talk radio shills repeat the point.

And for the top 1% of their audience that knows how to read through the eyeholes in their klan hood, have their writer shills repeat the point.
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tazzerman2004 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 03:18 PM
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22. Have you ever actually read the 911 Commission report?
Such a shame that so many haven't. Clearly, the much vaunted Joe Wilson is a liar of epic note. Epic.... The fact that ANYBODY still listens to this man, let alone regurgitates his lies, is testimony itself. Amazing.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:18 PM
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23. Yes I have, Bye Bye
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-18-06 04:54 PM
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24. The can't stop telling whoppers for the Frat Boy
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