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democratic Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 12:44 AM
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Iranian fatwa approves use of nuclear weapons
-The earlier 'fatwa' by Khamenei means absolutely nothing, can be overridden according to his earlier Khomenei. - The Mullahs will use them if they have them.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/02/19/wiran19.xml&sSheet=/portal/2006/02/19/ixportal.html

Iran's hardline spiritual leaders have issued an unprecedented new fatwa, or holy order, sanctioning the use of atomic weapons against its enemies.

In yet another sign of Teheran's stiffening resolve on the nuclear issue, influential Muslim clerics have for the first time questioned the theocracy's traditional stance that Sharia law forbade the use of nuclear weapons.

One senior mullah has now said it is "only natural" to have nuclear bombs as a "countermeasure" against other nuclear powers, thought to be a reference to America and Israel.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 12:49 AM
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1. This Does NOT have the Authority of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamanie
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 01:02 AM by Douglas Carpenter
As the article mentions is comes from ONE mullah Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi's

Ayatollah Khamenei is the Chief of State and He ALONE has the final say in matters of the Iranian state and the final religious authority over the vast overwhelming majority of Iranian Shiites.


Ayatollah Khamenei issued a fatwa against nuclear weapons last August. Even if other mullahs or ayatollahs would disagree or make a contrary declaration - Ayatollah Khamanei's decision would over ride them and would be the final word in matters of the Iranian state and to any Shiite believers within Ayatollah Khamenei's domain which would include almost all Iranian Shiites.

In the Iranian system the elected parliament and president have limited powers. By far the single most powerful person is Chief of State Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. He has the final say. In addition to his political position--within the Shiite version of Islam he is what is known as a marja'a. Ayatollah Sistani in Iraq is also a a marja'a. A fatwa is a final religious decision absolutely binding on all Shiites within that marja'a's domain. All fatwas issued by a maja'a are written down and publicly announced. They carry almost as much weight as sacred scripture


This is the statement regarding Ayatollah Khamanei's fatwa which comes from the website of the Islamic Republic of Iran - link:

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-236/0508104135124631.htm

Iran-Nuclear-Statement
Iran is a nuclear fuel cycle technology holder, a capability which is exclusively for peaceful purposes, a statement issued by the Islamic republic at the emergency meeting of the Board of Governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) read here Tuesday evening.

The Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued the Fatwa that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that Iran shall never acquire these weapons, it added.

The full text of the statement is as follows:
"Madam chair, colleagues,
"We meet when the world is remembering the atomic bombings of the civilians in Hiroshima (Aug 6) and Nagasaki (Aug 9) sixty years ago.

The savagery of the attack, the human suffering it caused, the scale of the civilian loss of life turning individuals, old and young, into ashes in a split second, and maiming indefinitely those who survived should never be removed from our memory. It is the most absurd manifestation of irony that the single state who caused this single nuclear catastrophe in a twin attack on our earth now has assumed the role of the prime preacher in the nuclear field while ever expanding its nuclear weapons capability.

"We as members of the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) are proud to underline that none of the NPT members of the NAM rely on nuclear weapons in any way for their security. That is not the case of many other states, who either possess nuclear weapons or are member of nuclear-armed alliances and it is such states that have taken on the self-assigned role of denying Iran its legal rights under the NPT to access the peaceful uses of nuclear technology in conformity with the treaty's non-proliferation obligations.

"Indeed, it is not only Iran but also many members of NAM that are denied the peaceful uses of nuclear technology by some of the NPT nuclear-weapon states and their allies through the mechanisms of export controls and other denial arrangements. In 1995, they adopted the so-called "Iran clause" under which they agreed to deny nuclear technology to Iran in any circumstances.

"You can then understand, why Iran after being denied nuclear technology in violation of the NPT, had no other option but to rely on indigenous efforts with precaution on full transparency and we succeeded in developing our nuclear technology. Iran is a nuclear fuel cycle technology holder, a capability which is exclusively for peaceful purposes.

"The Leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued the Fatwa that the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons are forbidden under Islam and that the Islamic Republic of Iran shall never acquire these weapons. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who took office just recently, in his inaugural address reiterated that his government is against weapons of mass destruction and will only pursue nuclear activities in the peaceful domain. The leadership of Iran has pledged at the highest level that Iran will remain a non-nuclear-weapon state party to the NPT and has placed the entire scope of its nuclear activities under IAEA safeguards and additional protocol, in addition to undertaking voluntary transparency measures with the agency that have even gone beyond the requirements of the agency's safeguard system.



http://www.dontattackiran.org

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Fishing for a Pretext in Iran

by Juan Cole; March 18, 2006

link: http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929

snip:"Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa or formal religious ruling against nuclear weapons, and President Ahmadinejad at his inauguration denounced such arms and committed Iran to remaining a nonnuclear weapons state.

snip:"Tehran denies having military labs aiming for a bomb, and in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program."

snip:"it is often alleged that since Iran harbors the desire to “destroy” Israel, it must not be allowed to have the bomb. Ahmadinejad has gone blue in the face denouncing the immorality of any mass extermination of innocent civilians, but has been unable to get a hearing in the English-language press. Moreover, the presidency is a very weak post in Iran, and the president is not commander of the armed forces and has no control over nuclear policy"

snip: "in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program. The U.S. reaction was a blustery incredulity, which is not actually an argument or proof in its own right, however good U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton is at bunching his eyebrows and glaring."
snip:"Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa or formal religious ruling against nuclear weapons, and President Ahmadinejad at his inauguration denounced such arms
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democratic Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:35 AM
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5. .
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 01:36 AM by democratic
"Ayatollah Khamenei is the Chief of State and He ALONE has the final say in matters of the Iranian state and the final religious authority over the vast overwhelming majority of Iranian Shiites."

Thanks for affirming that Iran is an absolute dictatorship something i'm sure you didn't want to do.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:52 AM
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6. Ayatollah Khamanie does have the final say
Iran has a complex system so calling it an absolute dictatorship would be oversimplifying the matter; but in a limited sense I suppose it could be called that.

But he does have the final say and his fatwas override anyone else. And he is the one who delivered the Fatwa against nuclear weapons.

I never imagined that Iran was anything other than an authoritarian theocracy.

I certainly never implied it was a good system.

Here is a neutral website in case anyone is interested the how the Iranian government functions:

http://www.parstimes.com/gov_iran.html



http://www.dontattackiran.org
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:05 AM
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2. Isn't this merely academic, anyway, seeing as Iran has 0 nukes?
Or, maybe not. The second that US or Israeli bombs start to fall, it's "use 'em or lose 'em". Same thing for the chem and bio warheads. Then comes the Israeli counter-strike against Iran's cities. All hell breaks loose.

Bye, bye Middle East. Bye, bye western civilization.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:11 AM
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3. Not only ZERO nukes. NO evidence that they are even working on it
Edited on Fri Apr-21-06 01:15 AM by Douglas Carpenter
NONE --- ZERO --- NADA.. The IAEA couldn't find a thing.

But for the sake of argument, if Iran or one of their minions were to launch a nuclear attack on Israel - they would not only desecrate Islamic holy sites, desecrate a land considered sacred to all Muslims--they would kill hundreds of thousands of Muslims; including countless Shiites in southern Lebanon; and this does not include those killed by a retaliatory strike. This is quite implausible.

And for the record the Iranian President is not the commander of Iranian Armed forces. The final Decision would be up to the Chief of State and Supreme religious leader, Grand Ayatollah Ali Khamanei who has already delivered a fatwa against the use of nuclear weapons. And as pointed out in the Juan Cole article-even the Iranian President has stated several times that he would never condone any mass killing of civilian.

Are we going to have another war based on the premise that at some point in that future it MIGHT be possible that a given country MIGHT become a threat; but NO EVIDENCE that it is an imminent threat?



http://www.dontattackiran.org
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 01:17 AM
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4. the last i read is they have about 180 centrifuges
and they need about 18,000..or something like that amount
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-21-06 08:25 AM
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7. Emmanuel Goldstein seen in Tehran. nt
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