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rickrok66 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:21 PM
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Ann Coulter cries for fascism
Dear Editors,

I write with disgust in response to Ann Coulter’s editorial, “Conservatives need 12-step program to manhood”, published on May 15th in The Lawton Constitution, I ask that the editorial staff provide a policy on not promoting hate speech or whatever policy you may have that prohibits you from publishing threats or hate. If you read her editorial, you will note that she calls for the assault on a Yale student, “Why hasn’t the former spokesman for the Taliban matriculating at Yale been beaten even more senselessly than he already is?” Then, she continues to call forward conservative men to action by asking, “Where are the skinheads when you need them?” If your newspaper is going to sit back and publish this kind of fascist hatred, and then I wonder what kind of humans you really are let alone journalists with any sense of decency. If you do have any sense of decency left, you need to take action.

My recommendation is drop Coulter’s syndicated column and replace it with something within the boundaries of acceptable human behavior.

You can add the following column to the Lawton Constitution. As a subscriber, I think everyone would benefit from this free column sponsored by the Poet Laureate of the US. The column would also be cultural as well as educational.

http://www.americanlifeinpoetry.org/current.html

"The Poetry Foundation has formed a partnership with the Library of Congress to support the American Life in Poetry project, an initiative of Ted Kooser, the Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress.

American Life in Poetry is a free weekly column for newspapers and online publications featuring a poem by a contemporary American poet and a brief introduction to the poem by Ted Kooser. The sole mission of this project is to promote poetry, and we believe we can add value for newspaper and online readers by doing so. There are no costs or obligations for reprinting the columns, though we do require that the text of the column be reproduced without alteration, along with the complete copyright, permissions and credit information, exactly as supplied with each column."

I will also post this letter on Democraticunderground.com and send it to your half and quarter page advertisers.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:24 PM
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1. She is a vile beast...
Proof that some humans never completely left the cave.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:25 PM
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2. First, Welcome!
And second, cool that you're taking on the paper over "Man" Coulter. She sucks.

(I do a parody of her on my site.)
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Tony_Illinois Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:26 PM
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3. Please -- Ann Coulter Is So Over. . .
she is no longer even worth discussing. Even the lunatics know she has no credibility.

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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 10:25 PM
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21. Ann 'Coyote Ugly' Coulter.............
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:26 PM
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4. She is a Traitor to America....karma will come around to her
and Malkin and the other traitors to America....
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:26 PM
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5. It's freedom of speech
i seriously doubt she's ever converted anyone and she embarrasses the h*** out of repubs.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:28 PM
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7. What happens if she does incite someone to murder?
Then what?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:42 PM
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14. There are so many out there that could do that
Edited on Mon May-15-06 09:43 PM by azurnoir
Rusty Shakleford(Jawa's), Charles Johnson(LGF), Ace(Ace of SpadesHQ). I think anyone who is incited to kill by a column is mentally ill and if she doesn't trigger them then someone else will. However some of the blogs are I think a release for these people.

In reality (M)ann is in just as much danger herself, what if some lovestruck freep realizes the true about her:sarcasm:
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 09:00 AM
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24. She already has. Fortunately no one's followed up yet on her incitements
But yes, she's calling for violence against a lawful US resident. The paper needs to be ashamed. K&R'd.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:48 PM
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16. She is free to speak.
The newspaper in question has no obligation to print her vile crap on their pages.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:55 PM
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19. Thank you that is the best
way to shut her up she only lasted about 4 weeks in my local paper and was removed by reader demand. The best part is it is a very right leaning paper.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:50 PM
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27. Trust me...
The Lawton Constitution is representative of the 29% who continue to believe that George W. Bush is doing a good job as president. Don't expect them to follow the path that your local paper took. This won't be the first time a local progressive lodged a complaint about the lunatic rat.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:27 PM
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6. Good post
I can't for the life of me figure out why liberal free speech is so easily attacked, but Annthrax can post whatever hateful incitations to riot and kill and everybody just kind of shrugs "free speech" and writes her off as the moonbat wacko that we all know that she is. That is, until some skinheads take her advice and actually do kill some middle-eastern student somewhere. This wacko needs to be somehow held accountable for her hate-speech - or at least, as you suggest, STOP PUBLISHING HER BILE!! I can't believe any reputable organization would publish her vile rantings.
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rickrok66 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:36 PM
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12. Free speech versus threats
This was tough for me. I support free speech and dissent as much as any good ACLU member should. However, these remarks she made are one goose step short of calling for a Crystal Night against liberals.

That same newspaper quickly dropped COL Hackworth's syndicated article years ago when the good colonel criticized the local leadership at Fort Sill.

If the advertisers see that associating with skinheads is not good for business, then some choices will have to be made.
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:45 PM
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15. You think advocating harm done to someone is a "free speech"?
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:55 PM
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20. In 1980 an Iranian was murdered in a neighborhood near mine
She needs to be very cognizant of the possibility for a negative outcome to her hatespeech. In the case I described, the kid who murdered the Iranian guy (simply because he was Iranian) got out of jail in like 10 years because his father was a cop FYI.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:30 PM
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8. President Hillary Rodham Clinton should order her phones tapped in 2009
Edited on Mon May-15-06 09:35 PM by bluestateguy
Coulter is a terrorist suspect, and if she has done nothing wrong she should have nothing to worry about.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:34 PM
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10. National Security Advisor Michael Moore should order her....
house to be searched ASAP.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 08:58 AM
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23. She won't need it while she's....
...going thru her "college hazing pranks" at Gitmo.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:31 PM
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9. She's desperate to get back in the news
fortunately .. no one gives a shit about anything she's got to say.

15 minutes. up.
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Rich Hunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 03:16 AM
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30. really?

Why bother commenting then?
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AlamoDemoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:35 PM
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11. Excellent job..thanks,....again, this paragraph is rather chilling:
Ann Coulter writes:

"Why hasn't the former spokesman for the Taliban matriculating at Yale been beaten even more senseless than he already is? According to Hollywood, this nation is a cauldron of ethnic hatreds positively brimming with violent skinheads. Where are the skinheads when you need them? What does a girl have to do to get an angry, club- and torch-wielding mob on its feet?"
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:40 PM
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13. She's still cheerleading for political violence and death squad activity?
Well, nothing new there from the soulless thing ...

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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:49 PM
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17. Small edit needed.
This sentence has a grammar flaw:

"If your newspaper is going to sit back and publish this kind of fascist hatred, and then I wonder what kind of humans you really are let alone journalists with any sense of decency."

"If ... then ..." not "If .... and then ...".
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Ringo84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 09:49 PM
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18. Re: Ann
Kudos for writing to the paper. You stood on principle, and that's good.

The best response to Ann Coulter is not to out-coulter her by calling her a fascist (though she does act like one) and attacking her. That may be what gives you the most satisfaction at the time, but it only feeds her hatred.

Coulter expects a vitriolic response. That's why I say it feeds her - she wants to piss us liberals off so that she can catch us saying something we might regret later. She says as much in one of her books - "when the other side is pissed off, you've won the argument" (paraphrased).

No, what you want to do is respond calmly, rationally and logically to her rants. That does several things:
1. It (possibly) disarms her
2. It denies her the vitriolic response she was expecting (and likely hoping for)
3. It makes her look like the wacko, not the liberal. People will be watching the whole thing play out (if this happens on TV) and say, "Gee... that liberal debating with Coulter is producing logical, rational arguments and she's attakcing him mercilessly. What a wingnut!"

I think that any of us could probably win an argument against Ann Coulter on substance alone. But responding to her rationally, calmly and logically helps a lot.
Ringo (D-VA)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-15-06 11:24 PM
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22. So if anyone calls for assassinating editors who print Ann's opinions
you would also cheer that as "standing on principle"?
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 07:54 PM
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25. EXCERPT from the column
]The only violence on college campuses these days occurs when people like David Horowitz, Michelle Malkin and me show up to give a speech in defense of America. Then we need bomb-sniffing dogs and a lecture hall lined with armed police. But a Talibanist goes about his day at Yale unmolested.

Conservatives may shrink from confrontation with howling, violent liberals, but as General "Buck" Turgidson in "Dr. Strangelove" informed the milquetoast president still hoping to avert a nuclear confrontation with the Russkies: "Well, Mr. President, I would say that General Ripper has already invalidated that policy."

Well, conservatives, I would say liberals have already invalidated your "Let's all just get along" policy.

The violence and threats of imprisonment have started. Now the only question is whether conservatives will choose victory.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucac/20060512/cm_ucac/conservativesneed12stepprogramtomanhood;_ylt=AkM2oSjMmeh9b4aQUbXtw_07vTYC;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--


My biggest fear at the height of Bush's popularity was that Rush, O'Reilly, or Ann would intentionally push the freepers over the edge into Rwanda-like violence. This comes pretty close, but when they gather their torches and pitchforks and discover that only a half dozen Homer Simpson clones show up, they'll run their asses home.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:55 PM
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28. Thank you for posting this...
Some of the posters here seem to think that Ann Coulter is harmless, but I think they fail to realize how many people in areas like Lawton read her column with sick glee. There is little doubt in my mind that under the right circumstances, they could be incited to commit acts of very bloody violence. Do we wait until she is successful and Americans have been moved from their good sense to harm other Americans, or do we muzzle the bitch now? I am all for free speech, but Coulter crosses the line, and she ought to be censured in some manner or another.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 12:12 AM
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29. I don't think she should be muzzled--she is a good reminder of
where the GOP wants to go, a canary in the coal mine.

A lot like Grover Norquist, who doesn't hide their real agenda, just says it in all its brutality.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-16-06 10:47 PM
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26. Here, Here!
It is reprehensible that the Lawton Constitution would continue to print her dribble. After all this is not the first time that the beastly Ann has crossed the line. There is such a thing as free speech, as some will no doubt point out; however, aren't journalist -- and I well know Ann Coulter is hardly that -- held to a higher level of expectation? I mean, this honestly sounds like something that would come from the leaky hate-filled pen of some backwoods in-breed racist pig. It is hardly the stuff a graduate of no less than Columbia University should be dolling out.

Good job calling the Lawton Constitution to the matt, rickrok. Now let's just hope that they actually listen to what you have to say and put something of a more pleasant and useful nature in the local paper; however, I would advise that you not hold your breath! Keep up the good work.
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rickrok66 Donating Member (141 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 09:14 PM
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31. My Letter was Published Today
I want everyone to know that my letter was published in the Lawton Consitution today. I want to thank Joey Liberal and Stand ad Fight from DU for the supportive emails. I also had a few known conservatives in my work place admit to me that Coulter went too far with her skinhead remark. Quite a few of them are embarassed by her and feel that she is hurting the conservative viewpoint.

We will see if anyone posts a reply tomorrow. Finally, none of the advertisers or the editors contacted me.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-17-06 11:34 PM
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32. If the Conservatives around the water cooler feel that way...
Then I must loudly exclaim, "You're doing a heckuva job, Annie! Keep it up!"

She might be the best player on our team in the end-game.
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 12:27 AM
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33. She already completed the 12-step program to manhood. It started
with hormone injections.

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complain jane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-18-06 01:27 AM
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34. Coulter's such a loser. That POS is just begging for attention
She's the National Enquirer on wheels.
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