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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:20 PM
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Bounty of $25K offered for head of Da Vinci Code author

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11 May 2006

Some Indians want 'Da Vinci' banned, one offers bounty for author

Anto Akkara
New Delhi (ENI). Some Indian Christians are so incensed with the fictional blockbuster "The Da Vinci Code" they want the government to ban it and one Roman Catholic has offered a bounty of US$25 000 on the head of author Dan Brown, leaving other members of the faithful embarrassed by the reaction.

The Mumbai Catholic Council has threatened to stop the screening of the movie if the government fails to ban the recently released movie of the book. Another group called the Catholic Social Forum has said if the shows go ahead it will launch a death fast from 12 May.

Nicolas Almeida, a Catholic and former Mumbai municipal councillor, offered a reward of 1.1 million rupees ($25 000) for the head of author Brown, leading a Catholic journalist to compare Almeida to the Taliban.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:21 PM
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1. proving once again that fundies are bat shit crazy.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:26 PM
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2. yup,the insanity keeps rollin' along...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:28 PM
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3. A CATHOLIC issuing what amounts to a Fatwah???
I think the Pope might have a problem with that....someone needs to call Bennie's attention to that!
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:32 PM
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4. This may sound harsh...
You can't buy publicity like this.

(No insult to devout Christians implied)
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:40 PM
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5. So why didn't he put the bounty on the heads of the authors of
'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'????
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:47 PM
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7. Don't think it was ever turned into a blockbuster movie.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:46 PM
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6. Cheapskates----Rushdie was worth more.
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Stuckinthebush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 03:53 PM
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8. Ah yes! The cries of the narrow minded...
Ban it! Kill the messenger!

Pffft. Dan Brown is laughing all the way to the bank.

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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-23-06 04:02 PM
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9. The guy is such a bad writer
Edited on Tue May-23-06 04:03 PM by NV Whino
I might go along with this.

On Edit: joking, of course, except not about the bad writing.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:59 AM
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10. Catholics afraid the movies paints them as extremist zeaolts respond HOW?
Edited on Thu May-25-06 07:00 AM by IanDB1
They issue a Catholic Fatwah against the author!

Yeah...

That'll change people's minds.

Although I have to admit, I'll encourage them engaging in a "Death Fast."



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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:24 AM
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12. They've noticed the response that the
parallel, and prior, Muslim fatwahs got.

Newspapers in India didn't offend the most anal-fixated Muslims there were after the Muslims issued threats, and the Muslims even followed up with bounty for the head of the Dane that drew the Muhammed cartoons--no international outrage, no calls for arresting the Indian official that offered the bounty.

Catholics also don't want to have their religion defamed, or to be offended--if you can offend one, you should be able to offend them all. If you can't offend one, why is it ok to offend others? Westerners may have lost the sense that some things should be respected, and not be defamed, because they're sacred; we managed to learn that with the Muhammed cartoons, but it only extends to the point that we're threatened. There's a nifty principle. Now, remember, this is Bombay; they had some inter-religious violence recently--you know, the usual, shops looted and burned, people beaten and killed, the same ol' story, nothing new or newsworthy. So having the anti-Catholic movie play while making sure that anything that can be construed to be anti-Islam is banned under threat of violence is decidedly taking sides. Viewed in this light, I understand--but don't condone--the former Mumbai councillor's bounty. The disparate attention given to him, both here and elsewhere, shows a clear bias or ignorance.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-26-06 01:11 PM
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13. Maybe I misunderstood you, but do you think it's a bad thing that...
"Westerners may have lost the sense that some things should be respected, and not be defamed, because they're sacred..."

Personally, I take great satisfaction in using my Constitutional rights to defame the "sacred."

That's why the very first Amendment to The Constitution, in one stroke, over-turned the first four Commandments. The Founding Fathers rightly meant that man should have the right to question, confront, offend, and even "profane" that which others may deem "sacred."

Question Authority-- Question ALL Authority-- even the alleged HIGHEST Authority.

It's what makes us free, it's what makes us American, and it SHOULD be what makes us HUMAN.

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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-28-06 01:32 PM
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14. If there's a point in it, otherwise
it's intentional disrespect simply for the sake of disrespect. As a bumper sticker a friend had on her car once said, "I hate mean people"; that was her, I simply disdain them.

The Da Vinci Code is fiction; for many, it's poking fun at Catholics and dissing them simply to show disrespect; it's protected, and arguably was a creative work of fiction. But, for many, it just goes to show their contempt, which, obviously, must be shown--I mean, contempt is a good thing, right? But there are much easier ways to show disrespect.

Same with the Muhammed cartoons. Many so antsy to show disrespect to some groups saw the intentional disrespect not intended by the publishers of the cartoons to be reprehensible. (And even if that makes little sense, it doesn't mean it's not an accurate summation of their views.) But they were also protected, because they made a point--one more valid, IMHO, than the Da Vinci Code's.

The problem is, if everybody's crap, everybody gets treated as if they were crap. That's much of what's been happening in America: nobody can accept that somebody thinks they're wrong, and must take issue with it, and nobody can accept not showing that others are wrong. Such intolerance is truly stunning, especially when it's called "respect" or "tolerance." However, respect is frequently viewed as a right owed to every individual, but which under no circumstances can be expected from that individual. Iterate over the whole set of individuals and you find the root of many a problem in American discourse.

I try to not treat other people as thought they were crap, and expect the default behavior to me to be the same. Similarly, I try treat other people's beliefs with respect, even if I don't believe them, unless there's a reason for doing otherwise.

One doesn't have to criticize everything at once simply for the sake of criticizing it--I mean, what's the point in it? Moreover, has that attitude ever produced anything worth having? (The short answer: No; it's only produced inflated egos and, at times, perceived justification for hateful attitudes by those who have grown fat on their sense of victimization and wounded pride.) This is simple nihilism, which, thankfully, was thoroughly discredited by thinking people--as opposed to unthinking people--decades back in the US and France, and decades before that in more advanced countries. Nihilism is billed as a process without a goal, but in every instance there's actually a goal present that justifies the process. Which is, of course, a sort of intellectual hypocrisy, which brings me back to the point of my post to this thread.

My minor beef with the threads concerning the Christian 'fatwah' is that they're steeped in hypocrisy: Similar threads about the prior Muslim fatwah, to which this is most assuredly is a mere response, didn't ensue. The impression is that such hate is to be expected from the religion of peace, but tolerance is expected from the religion of intolerance. But, of course, this particular double standard and the assumptions underpinning it mustn't be questioned, because it would undermine the goal of questioning everything if, well, we actually questioned everything. Why, that would be crazy.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 11:13 AM
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11. I've pointed out before that the strikingly similar
bounty issued by an Indian government minister for the head of "the" Muhammed cartoon drawer got no attention.

I still have to assume it's because people think that having a Muslim governmental official (acting in his private capacity as a politician, of course) calling for a beheading is simply not newsworthy. SOP.

Oddly, though, the cartoons (not drawn by one person) weren't printed in most of the countries where the riots occurred, or even as widely in Europe as they should have been. Moreover, they cut less to the core of what traditional Xianity teaches than the Muhammed cartoons did. Interesting, how that works.

I'll wait for the "Al Bukhari Code", in which Muhammed is shown to not be a prophet at all, but a trader who really wanted a bunch of wives, money, and notoriety, and who made up things as he went along out of a feeling of a sense of inferiority while he fervently believed himself superior--while his followers decide they can make a few dinars off of him by putting together the Qur'an and conquering all kinds of Christian lands. Then we can compare.
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