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AuntiePinko Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 04:10 PM
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Is Mr. Bush a "War President?"
Dear Auntie Pinko,

Why does George W. Bush keep calling himself a “War President?” Aside from the fact that he really seems to like dressing up in war stuff, and saying things like “Bring it on” and “Dead or alive,” etc., that only serve to make you wonder how secure his manhood really is, does he really think America is at war? IS America at war? I know we’ve got soldiers dying every day because George likes the idea of guns shooting and people being scared of us, but is that ‘war?’ And what does he get out of being a “War President?” Should he get something special, like a tee shirt?

Laura
Ames, IA



Dear Laura,

Well, if Auntie is understanding this right, you only get the t-shirt when you’ve actually been there and done that. So let’s parse it out: Has Mr. Bush been a war President?

“War” is a word with many meanings, and it’s important to be clear about which meaning is actually relevant, especially when human lives are at stake. The word is often tossed around casually, as in “I’m at war with the Accounting Department over how the quarterly numbers are reported,” or “The Save-A-Lot Store has declared war on high prices!” That’s fine when the stakes are low. I have been known to mutter things about being at war with the community of ants that is trying to move in and occupy my kitchen counter, and I’d get annoyed with anyone who was offended at my trivialization of the concept in such a context. Lighten up and get a life, and all that.

But when you’re operating on the scale of governments and nations with military resources, the lives of soldiers and civilians at stake, and huge investments, being too casual about semantics can have devastating consequences. When you’re operating on the scale of a government, “war” has a very specific, very scary, very ominous meaning that has profound legal and moral implications. It is not a word that should be tossed around lightly. Even the construction “War on Poverty,” which I wholeheartedly approve in concept, is a little dangerous semantically.

There are international laws, treaties, and expectations that kick into gear when “war” is at issue. “War,” in that sense, requires certain conditions to apply. For one thing, “War” must be waged by one state upon another state. As a private citizen, I cannot prosecute a war against other private citizens. I can’t enter into internationally-binding treaties or contracts to end a war, to gain and enforce concessions from my opponent(s), or to set conditions for future interactions between myself and my opponent(s).

And that should give you some idea of what “war” is, in the larger sense of international law. There are a number of conventions that legally define war, and they are very complex, but the common points reference war as a state of hostilities between two legally-constituted entities that have the power to bind themselves by treaty or agreement, and to enforce treaties and agreements on their own citizenry, allies, member states, etc. By inference, the state of hostilities exists because one or several parties involved wishes the other(s) to so bind themselves (by, for example, surrendering territory, making legal trade concessions, affording particular rights or privileges, etc.) Those others, presumably, do not wish to so bind themselves, and/or want one or several other parties to bind themselves to renounce claims upon territories, accord special rights and privileges, trade concessions, etc.

One of the things Auntie Pinko finds so very ironic about the events of my lifetime is that the long ordeal in Vietnam, which was clearly a war by those criteria, was never acknowledged as a ‘war.’ It was called many things, but back then the spinmeisters of the Establishment seemed to believe it would be a bad thing for Americans to acknowledge that they were at war. Today, with our military tragically committed to an ongoing conflict that kills soldiers and civilians daily, our spinmeisters hype the “war,” angle even though the ‘enemy’ is no legally-constituted entity with the power to bind themselves and their citizens, allies, and/or member states to treaties and agreements. In other words, in Vietnam we were fighting a war that was mislabeled as a ‘police action” and in Iraq we are essentially engaging in a police action hyped as a ‘war!’

It might be marginally accurate, perhaps, to describe the brief campaign to destroy Mr. Saddam Hussein’s government as a “war,” since Mr. Saddam Hussein had the legal power (then,) to bind his government, citizenry, and allies to any treaty or agreement that the United States and its allies wanted to impose. Of our stated goals, (ensure that Mr. Hussein’s government did not possess and could not employ weapons of mass destruction against any other nations; stop the abuse, torture, and mass killings of Iraqi civilians; and endow the Iraqi people with political self-determination,) the first had already been effectively achieved through diplomatic action, and I can’t remember any attempt to achieve the second two through diplomatic action before proceeding directly to hostilities. Still, in that sense at least, it was a “war” until Mr. Hussein’s capture and replacement with another legally recognized governmental authority.

There are a good many words that can be correctly employed to describe what our government has committed lives and resources to since that time. We are engaged, as I previously noted, in a ‘police action’ with the cooperation and consent of a legally-recognized government, within their territory. We are also engaged in a long-term effort to reduce and/or eliminate terrorist actions against our citizens, which, if we wanted to be martial and macho about it, we could describe fairly as a ‘fight,’ or even a ‘campaign.’ It is not a war, since our enemy is no legally-recognized entity that has the power to bind itself, its citizens, member states, and allies to its agreements.

In fact, terrorism is a crime and terrorists are uniquely repulsive criminals. They are not “freedom fighters” in the sense of wanting to replace an oppressive authoritarian or totalitarian government with a less oppressive government. In fact, they want to replace existing governments with governments that match or exceed them in authoritarian cruelty, and to deny essential freedoms of religious expression and belief, and political and social self-determination, to anyone who disagrees with them. They are criminals engaged in a loose global network of conspiracy to commit appalling and repulsive crimes and to hamstring effective intervention against them by fomenting political, economic, and ideological conflict and dissension among those who might be capable of stopping them.

What does Mr. Bush get out of calling himself a “war President?” Presumably he believes, correctly, that when the nation is at war, the Executive Branch may legitimately assume some powers, and can postpone or elide some levels of public scrutiny, in order to effectively prosecute that war. Insofar as the U.S. was effectively at war with the Taliban government of Afghanistan, and Mr. Hussein’s government in Iraq for a couple of months until they collapsed and new governments were imposed, perhaps he qualifies for a t-shirt.

But there’s no Constitutional way he qualifies as a “War President” now, nor should Congress be enabling him to continue shredding the Constitution under that feeble excuse. I certainly hope that you and all the voters of America will send that message this fall, Laura, and thanks for asking Auntie Pinko!
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Master Mahon Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 04:10 PM
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1. NO he's a WHORE president!
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 04:12 PM
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2. No, he is merely a simpleton.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 04:15 PM
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3. He's a WARPED RESIDENT
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 04:16 PM by AndyTiedye
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 04:18 PM
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4. More like a GWAR president...well.. maybe not.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 04:22 PM
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5. The war president
The reason Bu$h likes to call himself a war president is simple, during a time of war the president has inherent power his does not have during peace time.

I'm sure someone above my pay grade will explain this better then i, but i believe this is the main reason. He was quick to give himself that title "War President" and it's the only reason i can come up with besides being bat shit crazy.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 04:26 PM
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6. War President? You must have meant War CRIMINAL! n/m
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mkb Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 07:19 AM
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7. Doing Your Part
A appeal to sentient people to consider the meaning of war relative to your daily life.
Many people have given of their time, energies, and their courage throughout history to contribute to a better world for people and future societies. We must try to see ourselves as forces that can and should try to do our part to make a contribution.
People are suffering not only in Iraq, but elsewhere too. Many people in this country are trying to struggle with their diffuculties as they figure out what is happening and how to do their part to make things better. We should work in whatever ways we can discover to achieve this goal. In that sense, war is something we are all involved in. some way or another.
There are struggles here where we live that will have an effect on how life proceeds. Every person can and should try to understand what is happening and do the best they can to help things get better. Our own struggles, such as to have a proper diet, and maintain our mental health, are important elements in determining the ways in which we can live the best life we can and do our part for others and future societies. I urge good and fair minded people to try to see themselves as contributors to the life that we hope to bring about for ourselves and others. This involves understanding what is happening as thoroughly as possible and enduring as much as we can to help the situation improve.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 08:45 AM
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8. "Who in the heck wants to be a war President? I don't."
"…This is a dangerous time. I wish it wasn't this way. I wish I wasn't the war President. Who in the heck wants to be a war President? I don't.…"

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040806-1.html
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 09:00 AM
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9. That's exactly why I will never say Iraqi War...it's an occupation by the
USA. Bush should call himself the Occupation President or the Invasion President, but he's certainly not the War President. (In fact, he's never been elected president of anything except is frat).
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 09:04 AM
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10. yep, I always refer to it as the 'illegal invasion of Iraq'
because that's what it was, IMO.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 09:05 AM
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11. I would guess that
* actually meant to say "war-time president".

However he seems unable to remember or articulate any standard english phrase so comes out with his own versions (which also tend to be Freudian slips).
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 10:17 AM
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12. Bush is NOT a "War President"!
I always bristle whenever Bush or somebody else refers to him as a "war president" because not only has the US Congress has NOT formally declared "war" on anybody to date but the so-called "War on Terror" (which is what presumably everybody is referring to when they call him a "war president") has no clear strategy, NO measurable (or achievable) objectives, and NO specific desired outcomes. It could theoretically last forever. Bush et. al liken it to the "Cold War" with the USSR but none of the Presidents (at least none that I am aware of) during the post-WW2 period through the collapse of the USSR referred to themselves as "war presidents" nor were any of them given any "extraconstitutional" powers or the ability to circumvent international treaties (correct me if I am wrong). I personally think that the whole "War on Terror" is a sham concocted by Bush et. al to maintain (and increase) their power pure and simple. :mad:
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mikeyj84 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-15-06 09:27 PM
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18. War Prez
Ah yes, Georgie boy, a real legend in your own mind!!! He couldn't command a good pimple on my ass!!!!!!!!!1
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 10:32 AM
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13. Excellent as usual, Auntie
It has always rankled me when the Repubs speak of a wartime president. He's not and hasn't been in a war in over three years, and it's getting pretty damn tiring to keep hearing it.

They also say "War in Iraq" instead of "Occupation of Iraq" to keep the hackneyed phrase 'cut and run' relevent. Americans don't want to lose war, but who gives a shit about ending an occupation?

We're not staying the course, we're fraying the force!
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 11:34 AM
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14. He is a WAR president...He's waging war on the Constitution, he's
waging war on the 'Murkin populace. He's waging war on Democracy.

He's waging war on:
The right to privacy.
The right to assemble.
Free and fair elections.
The right to be secure in ones papers, etc..

Bush is DEFINITELY a 'War' president...
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benny05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 11:52 AM
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15. Right ON
And also a President of War against the middle class. He wants to make us paupers to be controlled by the Robber Barons of Corporate Fifedoms.

:nuke:
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 11:56 AM
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16. YES!! Bush has definitle FRAGGED THE MIDDLE CLASS!!
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 08:59 PM
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17. war president
Edited on Fri Jul-14-06 09:01 PM by Bette Noir
My biggest problem with the so-called "War on
Terror," is that Terror can't negotiate for the improved
treatment, or release, of the prisoners Bushie has been
keeping, illegally, for years.  The "War on Terror"
is a phrase Bushie is using to sugar-coat his global bullying.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-16-06 10:22 PM
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19. bush causes wars and lies his way into wars
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