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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:22 AM
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Reality-based candidate - Molly Ivins
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1409

AUSTIN, Texas -- Dear desperate Democrats,

Here's what we do. We run Bill Moyers for president. I am serious as a stroke about this. It's simple, cheap and effective, and it will move the entire spectrum of political discussion in this country. Moyers is the only public figure who can take the entire discussion and shove it toward moral clarity just by being there.

The poor man who is currently our president has reached such a point of befuddlement that he thinks stem cell research is the same as taking human lives, but that 40,000 dead Iraqi civilians are progress toward democracy.

Bill Moyers has been grappling with how to fit moral issues to political issues ever since he left Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary and went to work for Lyndon Johnson in the teeth of the Vietnam War. Moyers worked for years in television, seriously addressing the most difficult issues of our day. He has studied all different kinds of religions and different approaches to spirituality. He's no Holy Joe, but he is a serious man. He opens minds -- he doesn't scare people. He includes people in, not out. And he sees through the dark search for a temporary political advantage to the clear ground of the Founders. He listens and he respects others.

Do I think Bill Moyers can win the presidency? No, that seems like a very long shot to me. The nomination? No, that seems like a very long shot to me.

Then why run him? Think, imagine, if seven or eight other Democratic candidates, all beautifully coiffed and triangulated and carefully coached to say nothing that will offend anyone, stand on stage with Bill Moyers in front of cameras for a national debate . what would happen? Bill Moyers would win, would walk away with it, just because he doesn't triangulate or calculate or trim or try to straddle the issues. Bill Moyers doesn't have to endorse a constitutional amendment against flag burning or whatever wedge issue du jour Republicans have come up with. He is not afraid of being called "unpatriotic." And besides, he is a wise and a kind man who knows how to talk on TV.

It won't take much money -- file for him in a couple of early primaries and just get him into the debates. Think about the potential Democratic candidates. Every single one of them needs SPINE, needs political courage. What Moyers can do is not only show them what it looks like and indeed what it is, but also how people respond to it. I'm damned if I want to go through another presidential primary with everyone trying to figure out who has the best chance to win instead of who's right. I want to vote for somebody who's good and brave and who should win.

One time in the Johnson years, LBJ called on Moyers to say the blessing at a dinner. "SPEAK UP, Bill," Lyndon roared. "I can't hear you." Moyers replied, "I wasn't speaking to you, sir." That's the point of a run by Moyers: He doesn't change to whom he is speaking just because some president is yelling at him.

To let Moyers know what you think of this idea, write him at PO Box 309, Bernardsville, NJ, 07924.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 04:26 AM
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1. "We run Bill Moyers for president" . . . thank you, Molly . . .
I've been saying this for at least two years . . .

haven't seen much support for the notion, though . . .
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:22 PM
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12. The gentleman I spoke with in Dean's office today liked it.
I told him to ask Dr. Dean to call Mr. Moyers, and he said he would. He really liked the idea.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 06:42 AM
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2. No kidding, I'll make it five!
Write him people, Molly is right (as usual)!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 08:48 AM
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5. I *will* do snail mail in this case, but...
...doesn't he have an email address? Or even a website with a form? (I've looked and found nothing, but perhaps someone with more search skills can find something.)
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PurgedVoter Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:03 AM
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3. K & R
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 07:40 AM
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4. Why Should Moyers Be the Rabbit for the Greyhounds?
He doesn't want the job, I'm sure. These "contenders" should get off their neutrality and take a stand for Constitution and country.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:31 AM
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6. Here's another idea--Molly, YOU run!
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:24 AM
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7. NO! Not a Public TV bore! NO, I say!
I worked for a year in Public TV. Fortunately, it was one supported by the local school district, and not one that solicited for community contributions. If that had happened, I would have felt more moral selling crack to schoolchildren.

Public TV is authoritarianism, and always has been. It's designed to "teach lessons" by people who are supposedly superior to us. Why do you think it fit so easily into the right-wing agenda when Bush and his buddies got around to it? Instead of academic bores they substituted neocon bores. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Why does Ivins think this quiet, gentle, thoughtful, INEFFECTUAL academic would save the Democratic Party? You want an intellectual with fire, get somebody like Harlan Ellison, who screams and rants and is willing to throw dead cats over the enemy's wall. (And yes, I know you probably have never heard of Harlan Ellison. See how well public TV has educated you?)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 10:50 AM
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8. are you serious?
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 08:31 AM
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13. Yes, I[m serious. Have you ever watched PBS?
I mean, really WATCH it? THe way that I, as an operating engineer and director, had to watch it on an eight-hour work shift? Program after program, with nothing but bathroom breaks?

Oh, it's one thing to watch a little of "Washington Week in Review," then tune away to WWE Wrestling or HBO. It's another thing to watch through an entire program day.

I fully sympathize with that comic that said he supported Public TV so that he wouldn't have to watch the damn thing. Of course, that makes PBS a protection racket, which is perfectly appropriate.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:01 AM
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9. Moyers boring?
All I can say to that is, "wow". :wow:

And I for one do know who Harlan is. And as much as I respect him and enjoy his work, I couldn't ever see him as president. Get serious, Harlan pisses off EVERYBODY around him. :nuke:
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 11:59 AM
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10. Question re Ellison
All I know is that he is a science fiction writer and that he does have the reputation mentioned above (from reading biographical writings of other science fiction writers).

So I Googled him. All I found were three quotes (four if you count one listed twice), a website with a sort of blog that doesn't appear to have been updated since 2002, two fan newsgroups with 12 members total, and a few political newsgroup posts that used Ellison quotes (mostly the one about stupidity and hydrogen, which *is* good) in the signature.

What am I missing here? Can anyone tell me what he's done (that's not on the web, apparently) that causes his name to be brought up in this context?

Not being snotty at all (or certainly not meaning to be), just curious.
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-25-06 09:20 PM
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11. Here you go
Edited on Tue Jul-25-06 09:37 PM by Greyskye
The Wikipedia entry for Harlan does a much better job and describing his works and his personality than I could. Go here, and read the Biography and Controversy sections.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlan_Ellison


Here is one very small snipit:

Ellison has a reputation for being abrasive and rude (a dust jacket from one of his books described him as "possibly the most contentious person on Earth") and he is fiercely litigious. These traits have attracted some controversy, especially among science fiction and fantasy fans. His friend Isaac Asimov noted that, "Harlan uses his gifts for colorful and variegated invective on those who irritate him—intrusive fans, obdurate editors, callous publishers, offensive strangers."


Edit: As I was going through the Wiki quotes section, I ran across a quote of Ellison describing himself. This probably answers your question better than anything else could:


I am anti-entropy. My work is foursquare for chaos. I spend my life personally, and my work professionally, keeping the soup boiling. Gadfly is what they call you when you are no longer dangerous; I much prefer troublemaker, malcontent, desperado. I see myself as a combination of Zorro and Jiminy Cricket. My stories go out from here and raise hell. From time to time some denigrator or critic with umbrage will say of my work, 'He only wrote that to shock.' I smile and nod. Precisely.
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BrewerJohn Donating Member (499 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-26-06 07:19 PM
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14. Find if you can and read "The Glass Teat"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/051503701X/102-2299452-7061760?v=glance&n=283155

This is a book of columns from the late Sixties in the LA Free Press, on the subject of
television. The columns branch out very often into social/political issues, and fully
demonstrate HE's take-no-prisoners, bulldog approach in going after The Establishment
(yeah, they called it that back then). And they are just as often completely hilarious
at the same time. Highly recommended.
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-27-06 10:56 AM
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15. I see!
Thank you!
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harpboy_ak Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-28-06 03:55 AM
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16. Moyers is NOT an academic
Bill Moyers is one of the finest journalists and interviewers in this country. I had the same thought as Molly just before Moyers "retired" from his last show. He's was one of the few who expressed dismay at the Bushevik overreaching long before then.

He's just the guy we need.

Hell yes, I'll send him a postcard tonight.

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