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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:08 AM
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Hertzberg/New Yorker: they say "Democrat Party" on purpose!
As and English major, it irks me. As a Democrat, it demeans my party. I thought they were just being dumb, but it would seem that Republicans are saying, "Democrat Party" on purpose!

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/060807ta_talk_hertzberg

...There’s no great mystery about the motives behind this deliberate misnaming. “Democrat Party” is a slur, or intended to be—a handy way to express contempt. Aesthetic judgments are subjective, of course, but “Democrat Party” is jarring verging on ugly. It fairly screams “rat.” At a slightly higher level of sophistication, it’s an attempt to deny the enemy the positive connotations of its chosen appellation. During the Cold War, many people bridled at obvious misnomers like “German Democratic Republic,” and perhaps there are some members of the Republican Party (which, come to think of it, has been drifting toward monarchism of late) who genuinely regard the Democratic Party as undemocratic. Perhaps there are some who hope to induce it to go out of existence by refusing to call it by its name, à la terming Israel “the Zionist entity.” And no doubt there are plenty of others who say “Democrat Party” just to needle the other side while signalling solidarity with their own—the partisan equivalent of flashing a gang sign.

The history of “Democrat Party” is hard to pin down with any precision, though etymologists have traced its use to as far back as the Harding Administration. According to William Safire, it got a boost in 1940 from Harold Stassen, the Republican Convention keynoter that year, who used it to signify disapproval of such less than fully democratic Democratic machine bosses as Frank Hague of Jersey City and Tom Pendergast of Kansas City. Senator Joseph McCarthy made it a regular part of his arsenal of insults, which served to dampen its popularity for a while. There was another spike in 1976, when grumpy, growly Bob Dole denounced “Democrat wars” (those were the days!) in his Vice-Presidential debate with Walter Mondale. Growth has been steady for the last couple of decades, and today we find ourselves in a golden age of anti-“ic”-ism.

In the conservative media, the phenomenon feeds more voraciously the closer you get to the mucky, sludgy bottom. “Democrat Party” is standard jargon on right-wing talk radio and common on winger Web sites like NewsMax.com, which blue-pencils Associated Press dispatches to de-“ic” references to the Party of F.D.R. and J.F.K. (The resulting impression that “Democrat Party” is O.K. with the A.P. is as phony as a North Korean travel brochure.) The respectable conservative journals of opinion sprinkle the phrase around their Web sites but go light on it in their print editions. William F. Buckley, Jr., the Miss Manners cum Dr. Johnson of modern conservatism, dealt with the question in a 2000 column in National Review, the magazine he had founded forty-five years before. “I have an aversion to ‘Democrat’ as an adjective,” Buckley began.

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In days gone by, the anti-“ic” tic tended to be reined in at the Presidential level. Ronald Reagan never used it in polite company, and George Bush père was too well brought up to use the truncated version of the out party’s name more than sparingly. Not so Bush fils—and not just in e-mails sent to the Party faithful, which he obviously never reads, let alone writes. “It’s time for the leadership in the Democrat Party to start laying out ideas,” he said a few weeks ago, using his own personal mouth. “The Democrat Party showed its true colors during the tax debate,” he said a few months before that. “Nobody from the Democrat Party has actually stood up and called for actually getting rid of the terrorist surveillance program,” he said a week before that. What he meant is anybody’s guess, but his bad manners were impossible to miss. Hard as it is to believe from this distance in time, George W. Bush came to office promising to “change the tone.” That he has certainly done. But, as with so much else, it hasn’t worked out quite the way he promised. — Hendrik Hertzberg





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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:13 AM
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1. Bring it on. If that's the best those brain dead morans can do
That's their problem. It never ceases to amaze me how simple-minded Republicans are.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:16 AM
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5. Please read the Art of War.
If you think they're "simple-minded," they already have you half beaten.

NGU.


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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:19 AM
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7. Well, fine, it's the other half they won't beat, then.
They are simple-minded.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:22 AM
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9. So apparently you're closed-minded.
NGU.


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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:26 AM
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13. Yeah... that must be it. Couldn't be that I know more than you, could it?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:27 AM
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14. Oh yeah, that must be it.
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 12:33 AM by ClassWarrior
It must be your vast intelligence that causes you to resort third grade insults instead of seeing the enemy for what he is.

:eyes:

NGU.


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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:20 AM
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22. Ah, and your brilliance
makes you worry about the position of deck chairs on as the ship is sinking. I get it now. I bow to your breadth of vision.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 02:57 AM
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20. They don't use the insult out of stupidity. They use it out of malice.(nt)
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 02:57 AM by w4rma
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 03:19 AM
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21. Obviously. And it shows their stupidity.
And it shows ours that we waste time worrying about their little games.

This is why we lose. We are so damned sure we have to counter every little thing they do that we get caught up in dumb little games. They can have all the malice towards us they want, it's just noise. We are losing on the big picture. We are still losing because every single thing we do is a response to what they do. People hate the Republicans and see them as failures now, but unless we come up with something to excite voters on our own, we will still lose, because all we offer is criticism or rebuttal of what the Repubs are doing.

Leave them behind. Blast the voters with our message. Let the Repubs play the petty little games. I don't care if they like us or have malice towards us. They play childish little games, and the only thing dumber than them is us when we worry so much about it.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 04:14 AM
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23. No. The reason we are having problems is because too many *don't*
Edited on Mon Aug-07-06 04:20 AM by w4rma
worry about this stuff. Or more specifically, too many self-professed Democrats don't **fight** against this stuff. You're acting like you have been neutered when you allow them to insult you to your face like this. And why should Americans trust folks who won't even defend their own honor with the security of their nation?



More examples:
"Oh Rush Limbaugh is *just an entertainer*. Noone takes him seriously." (Do you take him seriously now that he has been one of the folks most responsible for the Republican majorities?)

"Oh Ann Coutler *doesn't really mean what she says*" (Even though she insists she really does want liberals dead and tortured. Take her seriously.)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:15 AM
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2. You didn't realize that? They're not stupid - they're hateful and devious.
And we make that mistake at our own peril.

NGU.


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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:16 AM
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3. they have been doing this for years (at least since 1994 with newt
gingrich, if I remember correctly) and you didn't realize they were doing it deliberately as an insult/slur?
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:16 AM
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4. It sounds so uneducated & ignorant, that I can't even find it insulting.
It's like being insulted by someone with a fourth grade education :dunce:

Tom DeLay is famous for using it here in Texas, he sounds like such a dumb hick when he says it.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:18 AM
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6. They're not doing it for your benefit.
They're doing it for the benefit of the dumb hicks.

Why are so many Progressive so self-centered?

NGU.


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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:20 AM
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8. Funny, I heard the man himself say he uses it as a direct insult.
You know, kinda like calling me "self centered" when you don't know any better.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:22 AM
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10. Would the man be Tom Delay or Newt Gingrich? Otherwise...
...he wasn't anyone to whom I was referring.

NGU.


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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:24 AM
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11. Tom DeLay, the horse's mouth - or ass if you prefer. -eom
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:25 AM
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12. My bad, I misunderstood your post #8. So when did Progressives...
...start believing Tom Delay?

NGU.


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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:28 AM
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15. well it could be a dual-purpose slur.
It's directed at their hicks (make it sound worse, "rats") and us (to try to humiliate us).

I remember when Poppy Bush used to always mispronounce "Saddam". A deliberate insult. I guess Americans are also the enemy when they are of the opposition party.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:29 AM
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16. I know it does get some Progressives' goat. Some of the responses on...
...this thread are proof of that. But I think it's mostly intended to make the haters snicker at us.

NGU.


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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:40 AM
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18. that's what they do, because the have no real arguments.
And unfortunately it works--for a while. They ridicule Dems to try to ensure that none of their own will defect. Hopefully enough will see through it and are fed-up enough to vote them out.


But your point is well taken--they are not as stupid as they seem.
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Oak2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:30 AM
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26. That is at the very heart of fascism -- that they have no argument
Mussolini in particular wrote eloquently about how fascism is about power, not intellect, and that fascists have no theory but power.

They don't have an argument. They don't want an argument. They are proud that they have no argument. They don't need an argument to get and wield the power they want.

And on that last point they are entirely correct.

Until one understands that fascists and protofacists despise intellectual soundness, don't care about sound arguments, logical fallacies, truth or lies, or even the most baldface hypocrisy, that they only care about winning, one cannot defend oneself against it.
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IthinkThereforeIAM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:39 AM
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17. Another example is...

... junior Senator John Thune, R-SD email I recieved from him concerning the Downing Street Minutes, which he chose to call the "Downing Street Memo". This was another attempt by the GOP spin machine to minimize their importance. He also claimed in the email that they were already debunked, LOL.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:51 AM
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19. 2000 election ... 'Subliminable'
RATS ad: Subliminal conspiracy?

By BBC News Online's John Egan

George W Bush may have dismissed the controversy as "weird and bizarre", but there is no doubt that the Republican presidential candidate has been wrong-footed by one of his own campaign adverts.

The 30 second TV advertisement, which deals with who should pay for prescription drugs for the elderly, contains the word "rats".

~snip~

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/americas/2000/us_elections/election_news/923335.stm


~snip~

GOV. GEORGE W. BUSH (R-TX), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The idea of putting subliminable (sic) messages into ads is -- it's ridiculous. You know, we need to be debating the issues.

~snip~

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0009/12/ip.00.html


He lies now, he lied then.

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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:20 AM
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24. Thanks for posting! nt
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 08:31 AM
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25. Old old news
"Democrat party" goes back to Nixon when he was a congressman.

Let's get past piddly stuff like this and concentrate on important stuff like religious bigotry, the war, poverty, etc.

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