Sorry DU I'm gonna keep posting this till I get some responses.

[IndependentVoice]

Attention DU it's time we had a talk.

I am aware that many (if not all) of you are frustrated liberals, who are looking for a way to vent those feelings in the form of verbal assaults against your oppressors and natural born enemies, the Republican party.

There comes a time however, in the history of all great nations when a divide begins to form. That divide consists of two groups. They both have leaders who feed their party, not through words of truth or wisdom, but through propaganda. And where you were once venting, you are now starting to do it because of a small seed that grows within you everyday. Once it comes full bloom you have this giant thing, this hate, that much like a weed, can be hard to remove.

In a time when or country is arguable heading in the worst direction it has ever been, the blame does not lie solely with or elected officials. There is great truth in saying the power rests with the people. Sometimes the hate can be stopped. From the time the words leave their mouths, it is then up to us, the people as to what we can do about it, if we will do anything at all.

There is a great deal of hatred on this site toward Republicans and conservatives, though it is not unprovoked. Nonetheless it is hatred, and that in itself is such an ugly thing, and what does it solve other that create more hatred among us?

I'm going to say something new on this site, ready? Republicans, yes the majority-and I'm gonna lump Conservatives in here too-are good people. Yes I said it now prove to me your open minded like you claim and hear me out. Why do they support other republican conservatives??? Because they are normal people like us trying to do what they think is best for this country. The phrase "people are different" really is true.

Sorry DU but there is no magic politician who will save us all, just over the horizon with a democratic banner flying just above him. Whenever this country has been in its worst situations, they have only been solved when we all gathered together and worked together, making compromises along the way, as needed to do what needs to be done.

We need to take after this example. We are taking different paths to get to the same cause, a better America. We need to find a common ground, no one party can solve all or problems. Every so often we vote one group in as the new majority, because we are sick of the other. This is the same as taking one step forward and two steps back.

I believe this is why George Washington chose not to affiliate himself with any party, he saw the divide it would cause in the country he strove so hard to unite. Just remember, the Eagle cannot fly without his Left, OR Right wing. And when flying your flag remember that it has both Red and Blue on it for a reason.

[Webster Green]

1. I find NO common ground with mutherfucking repukes

They can all kiss my fucking ass!

Got it?

[bahrbearian]

2. There were no parties during the Revolution ,, just like NOW

[Kagemusha]

3. You do realize that if the other side doesn't want to compromise,

the whole working together thing is dead on arrival. Right?

[BattyDem]

36. Exactly

We have always been willing to have open, honest discussions about our differences and are willing to work for a compromise.

But Republicans don't want community and compromise - they want to destroy us. They spew nothing but hatred, lies and intolerance. The "good" Republicans have done nothing to stand up to the criminals and extremists that have taken over their party. In fact, they have enabled them.

Republicans don't want a better America - they want a fascist America.

The OP should post this over at Free Republic because they are the people who need to take a long, hard look at what they've become and what they've allowed our country to become.

[CarlVK]

4. HINT: You dno't take a nerfbat to a gunfight.

And that's all I have to say for your little lecture.

[uppityperson]

5. you got a response on previous thread. Reposting 15 min later isn't ok

they need to be combined. If you don't get a response, so be it. Reposting is not right though.

[Skittles]

6. f*** conservatives

you think it is normal to be willfully ignorant, to support the interests of a party over the interests of America? No, this is NOT normal - this is TREASON

[FARAFIELD]

7. Ok ill resspond

I dont think you are getting responses becuase its quite possibly the silliest thing i have read. SURE washington didnt align himself with a party, because their were no parties. AND sure I love my Dad who is a republican, but he isnt a right winger and there is a HUGE difference. It used the be the parties were varying degrees of the same goal. Now we arent even on the same page. Also Im not a frustrated Liberal, (or at least no more frustrated than a Right winger when the BIg DOG was kicking butt). Also the republicans (based on the popular vote of Bush 50.7% may have been the majority party, they werent in the election before that or now). Im not sure what your message is, the platitudes are actually without any reason at all. If a person doesnt like his congressman he votes him out, thats not a step back thats called the alternative. Ill probably get in trouble for saying it, but this is a progressive board and if you want to spout this view thats fine, but you shouldnt expect a reception. Im sure your point is to say "see they dont want to get along with anyone", but the truth is I get a chance to vote AGAINT charles taylor and FOR Heath Shuler, so ill make a difference this year and feel great about it.

[saracat]

8. However this is DEMOCRATIC underground and is intended

by its very name to be "partisan". In another world or era, I might agree with your statements. Actually the "true" conservatives have much in common with liberals but the Repugs who voted for Bush not just once, but a second time, are NOT good people. In my opinion they are both evil and stupid. America has NEVER had such a president as Bush.We have never had an Administration both so stupid and corrupt. There is no comparison to be made.We have the same situation going on in my state of Arizona. Thank God we have a Democratic Governor. Her veto pen is the only thing that has saved us. Just as in DC, the Repugs will not even "meet" with their fellow legislators let alone work with them. There is no longer any possibility of bi partisanship for the most part.We MUST have a complete takeover, and I say this as a person who formerly voted for the man and not the party. Those days are gone and we must be vigilant against a very dangerous enemy who has a very evil agenda. Many have said this struggle is for the "soul" of America and I am inclined to believe it.

[Phredicles]

9. Thank you, Mr. Lieberman.

I still hope Ned Lamont kicks your ass.

[Zenlitened]

34. LOL!

:spray:

[uppityperson]

10. Here is my problem with this.

My income has decreased, my outgo has increased, my health care availability has decreased, my young friends are off fighting/being fought/experiencing a foreign occupation, my vote doesn't count, my parent cannot afford medicine, my acquaintances vote republican because they are afraid otherwise since media is controlled by those in power, those with money, who lie and decieve and work towards getting more money, harming me, my family, my friends, my world. So, what more would you like me to compromise?


Other problem is that sometimes topics just don't get replies, esp at night, esp once chiding DU and Duers, and reposting this just to get a response won't win you any good feelings here either. Remember, there is no "I" in @#^*#(#$%!

[Redstone]

37. Oh, yes. You said it very well.

Redstone

[flyarm]

11. ok i am hearing you..but understand this

i have been called traitor, i have been told to get out of my country,i have been told i am a bin laden lover, an al que ada lover, i have been called unpatriotic, i have been told i am responsible for my co-workers being murdered on 9/11..
i have been spat at , given the finger more times than i can count..i have had my picture taken and told i am going to be turned into the feds for doing what my constitution tells me to do ..and that is to dissent .. what i know is wrong..
i have given speeches and been screamed at, i have been pushed and hit in the back..when working for another candidate for president
and thats only starters...

and you know what,.everything i was saying..has been prov-en 100%..yes prov-en ...100%

and yet republicans of a certain ilk..(not all of course..most of my dearest friends are republican..they are not like that..but many are)..continue to call me a bin laden lover..unpatriotic , and all the other filthy garbage they spew!

so i am sorry ..i have no kindness left for that ilk..none..they are destroying my republic and my democracy with their utter ignorance..yes ignorance..because they do not want to know the truth..

no they do not want to know the truth...they want an emperor..

well i do not..and i am now mad as hell and i am not going to take it anymore for a very small minority in this country..

i am part of the majority..and i am going to take my country back..if that means i have to take it from the ugly son of a bitches kicking and screaming!

fuck them...this is my country and it is my constitution and bill of rights they are destroying with their filth and murder of anyone little lord pissy pants wants to go kill next for a bunch of lies..no.. i will not longer be nice or kind..i tried that for years now..i am done with nice!

fly

[davidinalameda]

12. let's make compromises if the other side does as well

with the cons that are in control, they have a take no prisoner approach to politics

they're the ones who have forced the rest of us into a confrontational approach

they're the ones that have painted us as terrorist sympathizers

they're the ones who are trying to deny Americans our basic constitutional rights

they're the ones that are trying to silence dissent

they're the ones who have been responsible for the deaths of over 2500 American troops and thousands of Iraqis

there are some good Republicans and even some good conservatives-unfortunately none of them are in power right now

maybe when they wake up and take control of their party, then the rest of us can think about working with them

right now, those in control are only interested in more power for themselves and they don't care what they have to do to get it

[rawtribe]

13. ...

http://www.bushflash.com/ihr.html

[katsy]

75. Wow

Thanks! I really really needed that!

[beyurslf]

14. Here you go.

I hate republicans and everything they stand for. I feel no sympathy when I meet a "nice" one, even if I just called them assholes. They are assholes. Their beliefs are disgusting and wrong. The preach hate. They lie. They cheat. They use people's misguided fears to their advantage and then step on those who need help most. I don't care if this does not fit every Republican. It fits most.

I am so sick of Dems thinking we have to be nice and play by some unwritten set of rules on public discourse. We are the only ones playing by these rules, if you haven't noticed. They hate us. They don't care what we think of them. It's time we stop caring what they thought of us.

[pitohui]

15. so how's that appeasement thing working out for you, mr chamberlain? EOM

,

[ginnyinWI]

16. I don't hate them--I used to be one.

I think a lot of hatred is based on fear. I noticed this when I thought Kerry would win and * would soon be gone--I found myself not disliking him so much.

My main gripe against Repubs is that they are so completely wrong. And unfortunately they have more power just now, and do harm to my country. I'm certainly angry at the things that they do!

Democrats have better values and better ideas, and that's why I vote for them.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

17. COMPROMISE?! How DARE you speak the word!!

:popcorn:


Good on you. :thumbsup:

[MichaelHarris]

18. I'm confused

Does this mean I have to be raptured with them? I was really hoping to stick around and take all their stuff. Just think of all those 4-wheelers and canned peaches I'll have.

[Rabrrrrrr]

19. How about we compromise on you not fucking spamming this forum?

How's that for a compromise?

Or do you want to post this another ten times?

[FARAFIELD]

24. Perhaps

He accidently thought he was posting at his usualy home at Freeperville

[edwardsfeingold08]

27. or Joe Lieberman's blog is down again.

[uppityperson]

20. You posted THIS on other link of same thing. I call BS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x234121

I'm not talking about those kind of things. I'm talking about lets (the poeple) wipe the bs clean, traditonal party values, you know the dems are the big spenders who do everything for the poor and enviroment, while the republicans keep them from spending too much and working on the economy.

So you would rather continue the circle of democrats running us into the ground then the republicans doing it, then back again? change nothing and youve dont just that, changed nothing, apathy is death.

Dems are "big spenders" and republicans "keep them from spending too much"? Where have you been, what have you been reading?

[Zenlitened]

21. Your premise that the Republican party wants "a better America"...

... kind of flies in the face of the facts, doesn't it? Considering the appalling damage they've inflicted: a war based on lies, and the many lives lost as a result... the shattering of America's prestige... the squandering of America's status as world's only superpower... the shredding of the Constitution... the cronyism that led in a direct line to unnecessary suffering and avoidable deaths after Katrina... and the list goes on and on.

"A better America?" Their definition of "better" is a perversion of just about every American ideal espoused by Liberals. Their very claim to have America's interests at heart is a smokescreen and a lie.

There's nothing noble in seeking common ground and compromising with people who have proved themselves a danger to us all, nor with the people who have enabled them.

Let them come to their senses and join us in our efforts, if they're able. Then we'll have common ground.

[Ken Burch]

22. Are you posting this same sort of thread on Free Republic

telling them to stop hating and demonizing us?

If not, then, respectfully, lovingly, and in acknowledgement that you are a good person...

FUCK OFF!!!!

(this message sponsored by the National Council of Churches)

THERE's a response for ya, bozo.

[lvx35]

23. Love is powerful, but lies and truth are absolute.

I understand the ... heart ... of somebody saying we should love Joe Conservatve because he really doesn't know better and gets all his news from Limbaugh. Its true, love is powerful, it grants us understanding, and therefore power, where hate fails. But there can be no allegiance with people like Coulter, (who I just saw on Fox) because she lies. A lie and the truth are not two separate opinions, one is evil and wrong, one is right. Now right now, Evil, real pure evil, has taken the mic and is claiming that it is "good". Again, you can't fall for the belief that this is a difference of opinion. Evil is evil, because lies are lies, and truth is truth. It is 100% right to hate evil and lies, and to be repulsed by people when they spew them. Its good and right.

[edwardsfeingold08]

25. Are you a member of the Connecticut for Lieberman party?

How about this for a compromise...
When Bush does one positive thing for a working American, I'll think one positive thought about his party. Unfortunately, it hasn't happened yet.

[PSPS]

26. HAHA. Yeah, whatever.

I'll admit that you did pretty well in that you didn't let the "democrat" adjective slip through.

Who told you the republicans are "the majority?" There are far more registered democrats in the country than republicans, and it has been that way for over 50 years.

Maybe you mean republicans are "the majority" because bush "won?" That's pretty silly, isn't it? Bush used fraud to install himself in office, and the media's been propping him up all along.

I won't go on, as I don't really take your post seriously.

[JeffR]

28. You want to preach compromise to a political party?

Talk to the Republicans. You know, the party that has adopted Norquist's maxim that "bipartisanship equals date rape" as a guiding principle.

You're directing your energy in the wrong direction here, friend.

[uppityperson]

29. You posted this on other spam/same thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x234121
Make me care Updated at 9:44 PM

Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 10:19 PM by IndependentVoice
I have needed to say that for months, and I'll be damned if I sit here spilling my heart while everyone passes by.

History shows we have always solved our greatest problems by uniting, they want the same thing as you, they just have different methods, all I'm saying is we need to find something for everyone.

I need to make you care? You are sad because I do not make you care? They do not want the same thing as me, they want power. "Unite"? How the hell can I unite with someone who wishes only to rape and steal? Unite?

[Karenca]

30. I believe in

Mandatory Sterilization for all Repukes.

[IndependentVoice]

39. I'm awaiting the hate mail,

feel free to send it, your all so tolerant

[bahrbearian]

47. Good post and run Adious M....F.....

[flyarm]

48. is this spam..you keep posting the same thing??n/t

[uppityperson]

51. I think so.

please alert on both

[astonamous]

52. It should be YOU ARE instead of "your". n/t

[Zenlitened]

54. Perhaps a political discussion board is not the best environment...

... for one so delicate that disagreement equals hatred and intolerance? :shrug:

I feel your pain, as a former president was fond of saying (even as the GOP did everything in its power to destroy him, caring nothing at all for the consequences to the nation.)

I also happen to feel the pain you project here is misplaced, misguided, and more than a little overwrought. :eyes:

[calmblueocean]

87. Heh. This is my favorite post on the thread.

Short, eloquent, to the point. :) Nicely done.

[Webster Green]

72. Spelling Error!.....Spelling Error!......Spelling Error!

You should have used "you're"....not "your"....

Watch that shit, you'll blow your cover.

[saltpoint]

110. Hell, this is nothing. You should catch us on laundry day. We're

REALLY cranky then.

[Redstone]

31. Nice try. But still utter bullshit.

Redstone

[katsy]

32. Uhmmm...

White = purity and innocence
Red = valor and bravery
Blue = vigilance, perseverance, and justice

An F15 Eagle fighter jet can fly with one wing... it's the new American symbol since we're trashing our environment. Who needs a bald eagle when we got firepower even flying on one wing.

Common ground? Now that's going to be tough for me. My spouse's job was outsourced because the company got great tax breaks to ship jobs out to China. We have twins... public ed down here bites. Our health ins. has tripled as has everything else we need to survive. My own small business is in the toilet because people just aren't buying and I never even see my kids because I scramble to drum up business anywhere I can so my family can stay off the street. I look at my kids and think the unthinkable... I'm sorry I'm your mother, I can't give you anything but love and that won't help you achieve your dreams. We do give up eating healthy food so my kids can eat organic and have bottled water sans jet fucking fuel in it. I need a dentist and doctor but ins. won't cover enough for me to be able to afford to go.

So I'll make nice after these bastards are destroyed. Personally, I wish the most hateful plague on congress and the bush administration, their heirs, cronies and anyone who has broken bread with them. The hate keeps me going. The hate keeps me fighting.

But hey - whatever works for you.

[bluestateguy]

33. I'll leave you with this quote:

"The Dark Side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural"

Chancellor Palpatine
(He got be Emperor for 36 years)

[IndependentVoice]

35. So much hatred from me saying what I think right, good one you

DU lets seperate ourselves, Hate will solve everything, the same way it solved the problems of all the great civilzations before us that collasped from it.

There goes my faith in humanity, you respond without even considering me, sadder is you will respond to this saying you have. I doubt you really did though. I'm completly honest when I say that I have never felt so ashamed of my countries people, and have never been so depressed that you are not even willing to try and make ammends with people who want to do what they can for this country, in a different way, I'm not talking about their politicans, but a normal republican person, whom you all seem to hate unconditionally, bully for you. If you could you would do to the repblicans what the christians did to the gays.

[uppityperson]

43. Have you read anything we wrote?

you lost me at "dems are big spenders and repubs keep them from spending too much". Now, no matter what anyone says, you already know they they did not consider what you wrote, that we have destroyed your faith in humanity, we made you sad and ashamed and depressed that we won't compromise anymore. Oh my.
:rolf: or tiny tear? decisions decisions.

[Zenlitened]

44. Excellent use of a GOP tactic there:

Disagreement = "hatred."

Doesn't it strike you that the effect of your words is to tell us to shut up and sit down?

Platitudes are poison when a nation's very future is at risk.

And dissent, by the way, remains the highest form of patriotism.

[IndependentVoice]

58. Ya hatered the people are openly admiting it here

In this thread, great job of reading

[Zenlitened]

70. Really, where is all this "hate"? The word appears most often in...

... your posts.

That was your starting point: "Everyone who disagrees with me hates me."

Well, sometimes prophecies become self-fulfilling, don't they. I'll admit to a rising dislike at this point, myself.

But then, I'm one of those "big meanie" Liberals the rightwing is always whimpering about.

:eyes:

[saltpoint]

116. So if we make nice and play kissy-smootchie with the Republicans,

will the preznit let us go on that Mars trip?

In a big space ship?

[papau]

124. Don't see your logic/the path you want those that disagree with the GOP

to take.

Is it "Revenge (on those that hurt you and plan to hurt your children) should be served cold"?

If so, OK - will do.

Or are you, as you appear to be doing, actually selling the idea that the evil is being allowed/forced on us by those that call themselves GOP only because those GOPers feel doing so is good for the country.

I have no problem forgiving GOPers once the evil has stopped, but I will not pretend that the whipping I and my grandkids future is taking due to the GOP is "for my own good in their mind".

Racist avarice wrapped around fear of others because they might be as smart or smarter than you and fear that Dems may have ethics and faith in God leading to real "Doing what Jesus would do actions" is the motive I see in the majority of GOPers - meaning some GOPers are good folk - but not all that many.

[FARAFIELD]

46. I TOTALLY CALLED IT!!!!!

Im awesome, look at my post above, thats exactly what I said you would say. Man im good at spotting the Freeper threads quick, And just for the record, the biggest problem we ever had was the CIVIL WAR and I dont think anyone has ever said we "CAME together" to solve that. Geeze you need a history lesson. Maybe you feel bad because everyone doesnt vote Republican But I dont.

[FARAFIELD]

49. By the way

Its not what CHRISTIANS have done to gays its what the right winger evangelicals have done to gays. Remember Roves DAD was gay so maybe there is some self loathing in freeperland

[Redstone]

50. If you could write a post that's not gibberish, it might help.

Could you maybe consult a grammar guide, or at LEAST use the spell-check feature? It's free.

Redstone

[riona]

126. I'll second that

[flyarm]

60. tell me what conservatives have done for this country

and i will tell you what these conservatives have done for this country..

killed 3000 of our citizens,.on conserve watch

killed 1,500 + citizens in New Orleans
killed a US City

left US citizens to drown and die of starvation and dehydration

killed 2,600+ of our soldiers for fucking lies!

killed 250,000 innocent iraqi's

put us in the worst debt in our nations history..more debt than all presidents before this administration..combined!

the worst corruption of any party in the history of the USA!

Had a male hooker in the white house press room for 2 years post 9/11 for propaganda

paid reporters for propaganda

out sourcing our jobs at record rates..

sent bombs expediently to Israel to kill Lebanese citizens ..but couldn't get water to new orleans for our own people dying..but this pres and conservatives hired a horse guy for fema!

less than 10% of air cargo and baggage is being checked going into bellies of airplanes..but they take our lipstick away and sell it on ebay

shall i go on..or would anyone like to add to my list..

oh..and the conservatives are taking my country into fascism..

and fucking the great country i used to know!

you can keep your lilly livered love of the fucking conservatives,,

they are doing what no people have ever done to my country..they are shitting on my constitution and bill of rights..

no thanks!

like i said..i am done with nice!

fly

[Redneck Socialist]

105. Those "normal" republicans put bush in power...

not once, but twice. Even after he had taken off his compassionate conservative mask and revealed the demon beneath.

I'll make amends when bush is forced to crawl the length and breadth of this country on his hands and knees so the good people of this country can pelt him with rotten vegetables.

[Ken Burch]

108. You can't make that assumption.

A lot of us actually have friends who ARE Republicans. We don't hate every individual Republican on the planet.

We do hate, and have every right to hate, what the leaders of their party are doing to this country and this world.

Can you really object to THAT?

[swag]

38. You're more mixed up than a dog's dinner. And so is your syntax.

I'm sure you've got something important to say, I just wish you knew what it was.

Come back in a few years and try again.

[LuckyTheDog]

40. No, the Republican leadership has changed

The leaders of the Republican Party are not "taking different paths to get to the same cause, a better America." They are protecting very specific interests of only a small sliver of American society -- the ultra rich who, in reality, have more or less seceded from the U.S.

I believe a large part if the Republican-voting rank and file are getting tired of the "divide and conquer" tactics of the party leaders. They are, mostly good, ordinary folks who have been led astray and could be won back.

But there also exists a hard core of true believers who think Democrats are in about the same category as al Qaeda. And they believe that because that's what the propaganda machine of the GOP feeds it to them. The Republican spin machine does that to keep them suspicious, afraid and willing to conform to the wishes of strutting "strong leaders" who promise to keep them safe -- the very same leaders who declared a "culture war" on mainstream America.

We are in a fight for the soul of our republic. The threat of fascism is real. We need to keep that in mind. And, while we probably can lead a large percentage of GOP voters out of the darkness, we should have no illusions about the intentions of the leadership (and a large part of the base) of that party.

[sandnsea]

41. Nice don't make right either

There certainly are many very pleasant members of our communities, and even our families, who are Republicans. They may be quite sincere in their beliefs. But the fact is, they're wrong about 90% of what they believe and I only leave the 10% for the ones who are confused about what it is to be a Republican in the first place. They are here, their current state of mind has to be considered, but that doesn't mean their leadership represents them or that they wouldn't hate their leadership themselves if they fully knew what was going on in their name. They don't. So while I can feel some empathy for their mistaken politics, I do not feel the need to pretend erroneous policies are worthy of equal debate no matter what nice pretty bow those policies are wrapped in.

[flyarm]

42. no conservatives just made a movie about my co-workers being

murdered on 9/11 that is complete fucking bullshit..and i am mad as fucking hell!


fuck conservatives..i am taking my country back..just get out of the way!!

fly

[lady lib]

45. Are you naive or are you stupid?

You're trying to make nice with a party that now exists with one purpose in mind: to become the sole political power in the U.S. (and Canada too, no doubt). There is no compromising with people who will do and say anything, ANYTHING to achieve their objective. Bullies only understand one thing and it doesn't come gift wrapped.

[uppityperson]

53. Did you know the bald eagle is a carrion eater?

Much of its food is dead, decomposed. Often they are found around garbage dumps.

[IndependentVoice]

55. There is more than just black and white, or red and blue

The world has multipul shades of grey DU, learn from the mistakes of the past, or not. If you think Democarts are alone the only answer then you are more ignorant than I seem to be. Funny how the self proclaimed tolerant group actually HATES someone for trying to close a gap in the country he loves, it has been done before. Through this they will only learn to hate you more, and the more they hate you the more you will hate them.

[uppityperson]

56. The eagle has feathers, brown, white, shades between

There is no "I" in OMG. The rainbow only shows after a shower. In the sun.

ps "multiple" is the correct spelling.
pps, again, what further compromise would you like from me?

[Zenlitened]

63. Another fine use of their talking points.

Accuse us of betraying our own ideal of tolerance when we refuse to be complicit in the terrible things they're doing to our country.

Accuse us of intolerance simple for stating we disagree.

Reduce our criticsms -- utterly just though our complaints are -- to mere "hatred," "bush-bashing" and the "anger" of the left.

Preacher-man, that bible you're reading from has been in the bathroom with Karl Rove.

:puke:

[saltpoint]

95. What about parrots? Or macaws? Their feathers are all different colors.

Great birds, by the way.

When I think 'gray' I think London, I think rainy days, I think Grey poupon, I think an owl's nest.

Here's some wordplay on 'gray,' just for fun on this early sunday morning:

G -- Greg
R -- ran
A -- away
Y -- yelling

Now you try.

[saltpoint]

96. Ok, here's one:

Gargoyles Rarely Are Yellow.

[saltpoint]

98. And another:

Gay Russians adore Yeltsin.

[saltpoint]

101. Ok, you'll like this one, I promise:

Giggling rodents annoy Yvonne.

[uppityperson]

102. having fun? thank you.

godly republicans are yellow

god ridiculously expells you?

[saltpoint]

107. Well, the OP brought up birds, and did a gray thing there for awhile.

I was just following his lead.

He seems a bit enamored of Republicans, if you ask me.

I think most of us are Democrats.

[uppityperson]

111. most of us are, I think also

party of "the big spenders who do everything for the poor and enviroment" instead of those "republicans (who)keep them from spending too much and working on the economy".

I like your grey thing. Got any more?

Soar with the eagle, so long as it has 2 wings. Shades of grey, rainbow, tolerance and cooperation rather than the hatred I see spewed which continues to perpetuate the cycle of blah blah blah.
edited to add the :sarcasm: that I forgot, just in case anyone takes this seriously.

[saltpoint]

114. uppityperson, I like your posts in this thread for many reasons, but

the one that stands out is that they're written by someone I'd want to canvas with, and help build the party with.

I can be objective about Lowell Weicker, a Republican/Independent from Watergate days, and Pete McCloskey, a Republican who opposed Nixon, and one or two rare others. Mostly I'm just too hard-boiled a Democrat, though, to see much good from the other side of the aisle, and especially lately, with Nixon/Reagan/Bush/Junior. You know the line-up.

The OP wants us to kowtow and surrender, and won't acknowledge the degree of damage Bush has done. Nowhere in his posts in this thread is any acknowledgment that Bush Republicans have visited division and intemperance upon the republic. That disrespects why I am a registered voter, probably you too, and I don't like being dismissed by people for pulling my weight.

Your posts on DU here and elsewhere demonstrate plainly that you don't either. We have to be tough with the Thugs because they're sanctioning damage to our country's future.

And instead of calling the OP names I do a curve ball or two with birds and 'gray.'

No offense to you intended whatsoever.

[uppityperson]

117. Thank you and that is a problem for me too

Yes, there are good people and not so good people in all parties. But this post seems to be calling us on not giving enough, not compromising enough, of being mean even, while not acknowledging any responsibility for the bushites. Then crying and saying we are mean, are supposed to be the party of tolerance, yet won't let ourselves be further abused. And I like playing with words too, rather than insulting names.

[saltpoint]

118. Bartender! A cold beer for my pal uppityperson. And make it snappy.

:toast:

[uppityperson]

112. another

got randy animals yet?

[saltpoint]

115. LOL! Love it.

[The_Casual_Observer]

57. "it's time we had a talk"

Okay, And I'll talk to you about how merit-less, condescending and utterly stupid your post is.

[uppityperson]

59. now now now, you are going to make it cry.

alert is a good option though.

[The_Casual_Observer]

62. I followed the rules, it's all about the post.

:D

[uppityperson]

66. I know.

amazing, isn't it? tiny tear

[IndependentVoice]

61. Freedom of speech...until it pisses the democrats off

[uppityperson]

64. Have you read the rules on this board?

#2 Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

[Zenlitened]

65. Yer doin' a heck of a job, Indie!

:rofl:

I do believe you've flung the entire GOP script at us by now!

[The_Casual_Observer]

68. "The Democrats"

Your post has no merit. That's all I'm saying. I didn't you say shouldn't post it, just that it had no merit.

[flyarm]

71. no i believe you have that quite confused...

we have been told to sit down and shut up for as long as the majority in this country are going to tolerate it..we are done tolerating..

we are fed up..pissed off and mad as hell and all i can say to you is..get the hell out of our way..we are taking our country back..and you will not get us to shut up and be quiet about conservatives fucking our nation any longer...

now if conservs don't like it..may i suggest the time out chair..

just get the fuck out of our way..we will not put up with this shit any longer!

fly

p.s. the fish must be running..i think i smell flame bait..

[saltpoint]

104. Yeah, those Democrats. You've got to watch them every minute.

Dangerous bunch. Going around defending the Constitution against Bush's tyranny.

You can't trust 'em as far as you can throw 'em.

[karmaqueen]

67. The real hate started with hate radio years ago.

I have had to listen to people I thought I knew repeat the vulgar hate speech from one their beloved radio personalities for many years. Most of these people never voted until they were told how evil Democrats were and how they were hurting America. I remember when they twisted the word Liberal into a dirty slur, mainline churches became evil, intellectuals were the devil incarnate. Most of these people are so brain dead they have lost their very soul. I know they were not bad people but once they fell under the evil spell of pure hate that the "new Republicans" preach and practice they are dead to me. I have had a few friends and family come back into the light and I celebrate their return to sanity. I am so happy to finally have us as a group fight this pure evil that has infiltrated our Country and I will never compromise with the group of people who have taken over the Republican party.

[bhikkhu]

103. the really real hate

is inflicted upon unnamed individuals during undocumented detentions at unverified locations by anonymous interrogators. The methods of infliction of this really real hate are uncertain, as are the results. Needless to say, we are assured by our elected officials that, while none of these occurrences of infliction of really real hate can be confirmed, for the sakes of our own gentle consciences, they were entirely necessary.

The only thing we can say for certain is that our tax dollars have been abundantly utilized during such exercises.

[Nomad559]

69. The Neo-Cons / RePUGligans

are BORG, you cannot compromise with them.

:mad:

Picard: They Invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again! The line must be drawn here! This far, no farther! And I will make them pay for what they've done!

Star Trek: First Contact

[RoyGBiv]

73. Don't invoke G Washington ...

George Washington's dislike for political parties extended almost exclusively to the realm of political party machinery itself, which is inherently corruptible and threatens to usurp the democratic process. This has little to nothing to do with differing ideals and positions, which he recognized would happen naturally. To some extent he encouraged it. The picture most people have of Washington and his so-called warning against parties is a myth, a fantasy often put forth by individuals who want to legitimize or validate some position or group that is so clearly wrong on a deep moral level that resorting to such canards is all they have left. Washington held deeply ingrained political opinions and did not compromise them often, if at all. For privy's sake, the man fought a war over differing ideological, economic, and political principles. Sympathizers with the crown were arrested, harassed, *burned* out of their homes, all with sanction. That doesn't sound to me like the actions of a man who would honestly spew such an melodramatic line like "can't fly without left or right" wing.

Continue posting all you want, but this "come together" crap is not going to generate the love-fest you seem to desire. The extreme right in this country does not deserve the kind of validation you suggest it does.

[calmblueocean]

74. Here's why I think you're a troll.

1. "I'm going to say something new on this site, ready? Republicans, yes the majority-and I'm gonna lump Conservatives in here too-are good people."

You know, despite the fact that this place is actually NAMED "Democratic Underground" -- did you notice that? -- there are posts here all the time that talk about the challenges DUers have with family members, bosses, co-workers, friends, brothers-in-law, sisters-in-law, and grandparents they know are decent, well-meaning people but who vote Republican in spite of themselves. Sometimes they're politically apathetic and voting out of habit; sometimes they've been poisoned by Limbaugh or Fox News and have this one area of their lives where they're a very different person.

But whatever. These are some of the most common posts on DU. People trying to reach out to the Republicans and conservatives they love. If you don't know that, you frankly haven't been reading enough. The premise of your post is crap.

2. I suspect from your handle that your only reason for posting here is to try to throw a monkeywrench in a Democratic community.

3. That hunch is backed up by the way you keep reposting your rant without engaging anyone in dialogue about it. You don't really care about reaching out to people. You just want to get your rocks off by chastising Democrats for "Bush hate".

4. The real problem I have with your rant isn't the spirit of bipartisanship you ask for, it's the fact that YOU'RE ASKING THE WRONG FUCKING PEOPLE. Democrats aren't in control of Congress. Republicans have abused the system to strip Democratic Senators and Representatives of their ability to engage in formal debate or dissent. Bills are railroaded through, microphones are cut off when Democrats are speaking, rules are changed to prevent Democrats from challenging Republican dominance. Haven't you noticed this?

5. You say that our country is in the worst straights it's ever been in, then you say we should compromise with the people who put our country where it is today. Just pointing that out for you.

6. Even if that made sense, where's the room to compromise with the radical neoconservative power base that's running the country? They want secret tribunals with unaccountable judges and the end of your right to see the evidence against you. They want "pre-emptive war" as our national policy. They're not interested in anything less. So should we all just give in? Would that "compromise" of the Constitution make you happy? I'd be very interested in hearing what sort of "compromises" you think should be made, that you think Republicans will make.

7. There's nothing any of us here would like more than a return to the days of sane government, when people could disagree but remain cordial colleagues. You know when those days last were? When Dems controlled Congress. We're never going to reach that kind of bipartisan utopia you're hoping for until we get these extremists out of power, and that, I'm sorry to say, is the truth.

[Zenlitened]

77. Day-UM! Wish I could nominate your post, alone, for the Greatest page!

:applause:

[flyarm]

78. very good post , thank you!! n/t

[The_Casual_Observer]

79. Your well thought out & intelligent reply offers the post too much

respect. It is a stupid post, not worthy of your good time.

[uppityperson]

99. You forgot to mention

recent DUer bringing us the light. And don't forget the fact that dems are the party that spends and repubs are the party that doesn't. The frog cannot hop straight with out all 4 legs. Good post, by the way.

[saltpoint]

76. Liberals perceive that modern-day Republicans are scorched-earth

bridge-burning pre-emption-assault tyrants who pander to assholes on two fronts: the religious nutcase Right and the corporate/media monopoly.

That perception is correct.

The consequence is to stymie public discourse about the future of our nation and to forcefully intimidate dissent. It optimizes life for a wealthy few at the expense of the struggling many. It fucking sucks.

Liberals object to the division and to the exile, and to the flagrant immorality, and properly so.

We let the little weasels have it right between the eyes on these boards because we don't much like people lying to us about WsMD, and about much of everything else, too.

Nixon and his skullduggery, Reagan with his deathsquads and union-hating, Poppy with his evil cluelessness. and now this recent bunch of monsters.

Plus, they cheated to win the White House. Twice.

No olive branch to Republicans until members of that party begin to act like American citizens.

[IndependentVoice]

80. One Nation Under God...Divisble

Attention DU it's time we had a talk.

I am aware that many (if not all) of you are frustrated liberals, who are looking for a way to vent those feelings in the form of verbal assaults against your oppressors and natural born enemies, the Republican party.

There comes a time however, in the history of all great nations when a divide begins to form. That divide consists of two groups. They both have leaders who feed their party, not through words of truth or wisdom, but through propaganda. And where you were once venting, you are now starting to do it because of a small seed that grows within you everyday. Once it comes full bloom you have this giant thing, this hate, that much like a weed, can be hard to remove.

In a time when or country is arguable heading in the worst direction it has ever been, the blame does not lie solely with or elected officials. There is great truth in saying the power rests with the people. Sometimes the hate can be stopped. From the time the words leave their mouths, it is then up to us, the people as to what we can do about it, if we will do anything at all.

There is a great deal of hatred on this site toward Republicans and conservatives, though it is not unprovoked. Nonetheless it is hatred, and that in itself is such an ugly thing, and what does it solve other that create more hatred among us?

I'm going to say something new on this site, ready? Republicans, yes the majority-and I'm gonna lump Conservatives in here too-are good people. Yes I said it now prove to me your open minded like you claim and hear me out. Why do they support other republican conservatives??? Because they are normal people like us trying to do what they think is best for this country. The phrase "people are different" really is true.

Sorry DU but there is no magic politician who will save us all, just over the horizon with a democratic banner flying just above him. Whenever this country has been in its worst situations, they have only been solved when we all gathered together and worked together, making compromises along the way, as needed to do what needs to be done.

We need to take after this example. We are taking different paths to get to the same cause, a better America. We need to find a common ground, no one party can solve all or problems. Every so often we vote one group in as the new majority, because we are sick of the other. This is the same as taking one step forward and two steps back.

I believe this is why George Washington chose not to affiliate himself with any party, he saw the divide it would cause in the country he strove so hard to unite. Just remember, the Eagle cannot fly without his Left, OR Right wing. And when flying your flag remember that it has both Red and Blue on it for a reason.

[IndependentVoice]

81. Figures, I put all my heart into it and no one responds

[IndependentVoice]

82. And sadder that some hate filled rant everyone will respond to

[Ken Burch]

106. Actually, a number of us have.

You just haven't received the responses you wished for.

It's not clear what you want us to do.

It sounds like you'd like us to surrender our beliefs and just let the right run things without a challenge.

If not, please clarify.

(And no, clarifying DOESN'T mean reposting your thread introduction over and over and over again.

[uppityperson]

83. Here is my problem with this.

My income has decreased, my outgo has increased, my health care availability has decreased, my young friends are off fighting/being fought/experiencing a foreign occupation, my vote doesn't count, my parent cannot afford medicine, my acquaintances vote republican because they are afraid otherwise since media is controlled by those in power, those with money, who lie and decieve and work towards getting more money, harming me, my family, my friends, my world. So, what more would you like me to compromise?

[IndependentVoice]

84. *sigh*

I'm not talking about those kind of things. I'm talking about lets (the poeple) wipe the bs clean, traditonal party values, you know the dems are the big spenders who do everything for the poor and enviroment, while the republicans keep them from spending too much and working on the economy.

So you would rather continue the circle of democrats running us into the ground then the republicans doing it, then back again? change nothing and youve dont just that, changed nothing, apathy is death

[uppityperson]

85. to make it easier, delete this posting, go to other.

posting the same thing twice is not a good thing to do.

[IndependentVoice]

86. Make me care

I have needed to say that for months, and I'll be damned if I sit here spilling my heart while everyone passes by

History shows we have always solved our greatest problems by uniting, they want the same thing as you, they just have different methods, all I'm saying is we need to find something for everyone

[katsy]

88. History?

Like the Civil War... that kind of coming together?

Maybe history will repeat itself.

[calmblueocean]

89. Give me something concrete, here.

What sort of "compromises" would you like to see?

[saltpoint]

92. Maybe give Karl Rove a buzz and ask him how long it took him to

make that push poll in South Carolina in 2000 -- the one which asked Republican primary voters if they would still support John McCain if they knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child out of wedlock.

Let's start there with the peace offering, what do you say?

Get Rove on board with a heart-felt public apology for that piece of racist evil, and you might get a few converts.

[bhikkhu]

97. Which history? What are you talking about?

Have the "powers that be" indicated any willingness to compromise? Having spent the past six years with my eyes open, I am more inclined to think that, in the political arena, deception runs deeper than principle. Compromise there is often little more than a ruse to remove you from the field, my friend.

[flyarm]

113. save your breath..go tell that the the republicans..they are

the ones who divided this country..save the bullshit!

fly

[Ken Burch]

129. Republican leaders DO NOT WANT THE SAME THINGS AS ME!

I want peace. They want war after war after war.

I want justice for all. They want racism, sexism and homophobia to live on forever.

I want free healthcare and education for all. They want those things only for those who can pay out of pocket.

I want and end to economic inequality. THEY WANT MORE OF IT.

I want a liveable environment. THEY DON'T.

I want open debate and democratic decision making on all isses. They want government of, by and for the rich, the white, the straight and the ignorant.

THERE IS NO COMMON GROUND.

That's reality, "Indy".

[flyarm]

109. OK NOW YOU DID IT..

" while the republicans keep them from spending too much and working on the economy."

THIS IS FULL OF SHIT.

HAVE YOU SEEN THE DEFICIT???

THE BIGGEST DEFICIT IN USA HISTORY!!from the republicans!

OUR COUNTRY IS FUCKING BROKE..DID YOU MISS THAT?? from the republicans!

we borrowed the whole fucking bushwar of lies practically from fucking communist china!from the republicans!

we can't fix the gulf states..because we are fucking broke....and you know why??????? the republicans!

fucking republicans have spent more in this administration..than all the 42 previous presidents

{b]combined!

this is nothing but a bullshit thread by bullshit..and propaganda!

boy your care writing this must have killed you copying and pasting those rethug talking points...

good try though!!

total bullshit!

fly

[saltpoint]

90. You might want to read dattaswam's posts in Religion/Theology.

They might perk you up some.

You'd be surprised how many of us have been uplifted by those threads.

Let me know if you need the links.

[Ferret Annica]

91. Come to Freedom4UM.com (4UM)

or LibertyPost.Org (LP) where the majority of FReepers who want to rub elbows with more liberal and less censored people from the same general sort of posting community as you. I'm sure you have old friends there too.

What was your Café Paranoia name? Mine was 'ferret' and I was banned April of 2001. LP has become too conservative and I am banned there too for posting an article from The Revolutionary Worker criticizing the forum owner's beloved Minutemen.

Democratic Underground is not the place to be this confrontation concerning dialog. There have been way too many trolls coming here to be taken very seriously in this vein.

It is a far superior forum with better thinkers and writers them the heavily ban thinned ranks of FReepers enjoy currently. I feel your pain. But go to either of the above mentioned forums and try them, you probably would fit in there.

[bhikkhu]

93. Why am I here? What is the difference?

This is something of a daily mantra, and I would hazard a guess that it is so for many other.

Without making a well stated manifesto...

I began reading here during the run up to the war in Afghanistan, when all reason and purpose seemed to be absent or twisted in this country. DU was a refuge of reason, and dissent against the "powers that be". Only coincidentally democratic (and at the time poorly reflected by our elected officials). I don't care which party - if you promise to enslave other nations, I would oppose you.

Secret prisons and indefinite secret detentions began shortly after - knowable as it happened, if one cared to read the news. I supported Kerry because he promised to close Guantanamo, end torture and secret detentions. Regardless of party, I would support an individual who spoke so.

Hussein was a thug who played the odds...but his party was dedicated to secularism, a strong central government, and separation of church and state. We have replaced him with chaos and slaughter and religious extremism. How do you compromise with a group that tries to lie its way out of 100,000 dead and millions of refugees?

A better America? As an atypical business owner, blue collar worker, property holder, the Republican party might imagine that my support should be their's for the asking, for the well being of myself and my family is wholly enmeshed with the economic well being of this country. But truly, I would rather see it all burn than prosper at the expense of the death or enslavement of others...these are difficult times in more ways than one. If there is no democratic banner to follow out of this mess, there is little hope, for the republicans have led us into it, and have no message I have seen but "onward!".

A bit of a rant, my apologies. (Two glasses of cheap wine)

[saltpoint]

94. I think we should get to be friends again with the French.

Dammit, I like the French.

Always did.

I think they make some darn good wine and that Statue is a humdinger.

Chopin? Poland-born but lived mostly in France, and France mostly claims him, and rightly so.

To hell with the Republicans. Let's make up with France and be pals again.

[Ken Burch]

130. As a first step towards this noble goal

Let's have our next nominee deliver her or his acceptance speech in mime.

[Redneck Socialist]

100. "Republicans...are good people."

No they're not. In 2004 they looked evil straight in the face and said, "ya know, I kinda like the look of that," and pulled the lever for bushCo.

They've taken everything that is good, and decent, and right about this country and pissed all over it.

Good people? No, far from it I'm afraid.

[Singular73]

119. This is a good time for a Nazi Appeaser reference.

Not everything has a middle ground.

Sorry.

Life doesn't work that way.

[Lexingtonian]

120. Well, you're wrong

In our worst historical situation, namely the Civil War, we chose to fight each other until there was enough blood shed for one side to give way.

You choose to be blind that we are, in a less violent fashion, recapitulating the Civil War and its lessons here. You fail to see that we have a fight on our hands in which we lose our integrity if we capitulate. The other side never had any integrity, so capitulation for them is simply an issue of ego. The stake of our partisan fight is whether we submit and permit the corrupt fashion in which the country has dealt with Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, or we implement it as fully as we can. This doesn't strike you as a serious issue. Well, a lot of the country was fairly ambivalent about slavery too at the time of the Civil War. Some people simply do not have an active moral conscience. It's an expensive thing to have.

Our side "hates" transiently. We abhor and have contempt, there is little hate proper. Otherwise people would be dying in the streets. Be grateful that we don't hate in the way Conservatives hate. After all, the far Right never has solutions to hard problems that do not involve killing the people they truly hate.

George Washington did not have a party because he saw that if he joined one, it would become monarchist and its opposition would become antimonarchist. Those were the currents and political pathology of the times.

Nonetheless, almost one lifetime after he became President of a federation, Jefferson Davis became the head of an effort to reestablish a truly rigid caste system upon which a de facto aristocracy could be built, then an empire. Have a look at the Confederate Constitution sometime- it paves the way for that. This future was the reason Grant and Sherman most objected to the Southern state- their letters are full of reviews of observations about this. Both hated imperialism with a vengeance.

About the two present Parties...yes, they're objectionable, as parties have always been. But I'm a believer in Hegel's idea about this- first the Thesis must dominate, then the Antithesis wreck all of it but for what is true about it, and there is back and forth until there is Synthesis: only what is true remains of both efforts. For it to work there is no capitulating of one side to the other, there is only Reality grinding each one down to the truth at each one's core.

The truth of the American Right is that all things done from 1932 to 1990 require revision, and that the people of that part of American history were born into a society of castes by race, ethnicity, gender, religion, and wealth. This was the most functional arrangement in pre-Modern times, but if you ever read James Jones's "From Here To Eternity" - probably the best rendition of life lived by those rules- it created as much barbarism and social contradictions/absurdity as it prevented. The truth of the American Left is that we don't need to live this horror anymore. And you "independents" are the people who go AWOL from the argument, imagining yourself superior to it or incompetent. The truth that binds all that we are living in a transition period, with the Right and Left merely the people who adversarially adjust the rate of change from pre-Modern to Modern society. What we fight about is our past and the compromises struck then.

Personally, I wish it weren't as ugly as it is. But there is an awful lot of rot that must we chipped through, a lot of politicians and political blocs who are given the reins of power and rejected four years later, once their utility and relevance is lost in the eyes of The People. Yes, we The People tossed out the moderate/centrist/Independent compromiser sorts first. We now have a country in which the hardline Right and the Liberals are the only two unexpended blocs left, the hardline Right now having rule and yet very near the end of its political life.

[AlwaysQuestion]

121. Whatta dupe

Whew! I applaud the many here who've suffered you so patiently and written such measured replies containing solid information and ideas for you to think about. Unfortunately, judging from your responses to their posts, you lack the intelligence or just plain common sense to grapple with what for you is obviously new material.

Enough already, It's time for you to slither away and return from whence you came. And oh yeah, take this message with you. There are only two types of Republicans: (1) those few who benefit from the savage policies of the Republican party and (2) the ill-informed, easily led, unimaginative, poorly educated, illiterate, close-minded, unwitting, wretched little people who are themselves being betrayed by the very party they embrace.

Those in group 1 are an abhorrent lot, but at least their choice of party is understandable if not laudable.

Those in group 2 are simply dupes of group 1


Hmmm, now let's all guess which group you're a part of.

[democrank]

122. Time for a reality check.

Don`t confuse deep philosophical differences with hatred. Democrats have a moral obligation to speak out against the Republican Party. The only unity that matters to me is the bond between people determined to change the direction of this country. The rest of them can busy themselves with inventing new ways to insure the continued march toward fascism.

The Republican Party, in their refusal to exercise required oversight, have assisted in nearly destroying this country. Any person with a spare thirty minutes and half a brain can do enough research to learn just how far we`ve strayed from what we once were.

The thought that an AWOL narcissist and his five-deferment sidekick can question the patriotism of anyone who disagrees with them....including decorated war heroes.....is sickening.

Bush and Cheney can trash the Constitution and ignore our laws for one reason....Republican supporters allow them to. That`s not the basis for a happy little unity party, that`s the basis for a revolt.

[LuckyTheDog]

123. Get this about the GOP

The GOP is, indeed, being run by people who cannot be trusted to uphold the values of our country. That was not always true. Conservatives like George Romney, Gerald Ford and Barry Goldwater did, indeed, have the interests of the nation at heart. But it is true now.

The GOP leadership of today is, frankly, not really interested in what is good for the middle class and lower-income people. They serve the interests of the wealthy. Their agenda really is as simple as that. And toward that end, they demonize loyal Americans whose primary interest is in the greatest good for the greatest number.

The GOP is in the business of dividing people, keeping them angry at each other and generating as much fear as possible to justify enhancing the executive power of the current administration. It makes me sick.

Your post got the reaction it did, frankly, because you came off as lecturing the DEMOCRATS as if they were the cause of America's divided state. It sounded as if you were telling DUers to "get with the program" and support the president. Had you been more even handed -- directed more ire at the Republicans -- you might have gotten a more friendly response.

[april]

125. Hate ? no you have it all wrong

We care and Love our America..this is our of love for our country...and standing up for it!

[Vidar]

127. Attemps at comporomise, by several democrats, have been treated

as simply signs of weakness. It's a losing strategy.

[MasonJar]

128. Our and you're will help with reading this blog instead of or & your.

You also need a plethora of commas. Most Pugs are good people, but that does not mean that they should continue to be in power since the policies that they support are so abominable, as in torture, spying and lying.

[eridani]

131. Repub base = certifiable sociopaths

They said it themselves--bipartisanship is date rape.

[depakid]

132. Wake up and smell the coffee

and please- leave the cheesy metaphors in the pen.

Makes you sound like a naive 10th grader.

[remfan]

133. Time for compromise is LONG past

What you're seeing is the dog finally turning on the hand that has beaten it for several decades.

Here's a suggestion - take the next 6 months and read everything you can get your hands on that pertains to Congress during the Clinton administration. Read THOMAS, read the floor speeches in the House, read the One Minutes of the Newt Gingrich Robots, and then come back here and tell us we need not hate.

I tried, pal. I really, really tried not to hate them, but when I realized that, given a choice, they would just as soon see me, and people like me, forced out of my own country, and all in the name of keeping their precious hold on "power", that they didn't give a flying FUCKALL about governing this country and only wanted to score political points, that's when I decided TWO CAN PLAY THAT GAME. I can be a pretty goddamn nasty person when pushed, and I've been pushed to my fucking limit.

I used to care about taking control of congress because I wanted the body to be REPRESENTATIVE, but now? Not so much. I realize that that isn't going to happen in my lifetime, and I'm not about to waste my time wishing and hoping that a bunch of power hungry, greedy asshats are ever going to concern themselves with what is best for the country as a whole. I didn't ask for the most partisan congress, I didn't ask for the most divisive executive branch, and I didn't ask for the laziest media. I'm through with being nice, turning the other cheek, and trying to get along. Other people with more self-control can do that. I'm in it for the express purpose of making the GOP brand the equivalent of SHIT in the public mind. I don't give a shit what the public thinks about Democrats, liberals, progressives, all I care about is that they think the GOP SUCKS.

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134. This is all good even both sides are working together, repubs are liers

and we can not work with them until they are willing to play fairly.

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