They are nostalgic for their lost dreams-not the loss of US troops.

[rodeodance]

> Vanity Fair Exclusive: Now They Tell Us
> Neo Culpa
> As Iraq slips further into chaos, the war's neoconservative
> boosters have turned sharply on the Bush administration, charging
> that their grand designs have been undermined by White House
> incompetence. In a series of exclusive interviews, Richard Perle,
> Kenneth Adelman, David Frum, and others play the blame game with
> shocking frankness. Target No. 1: the president himself.
> by David Rose VF.COM November 3, 2006
>
> Richard Perle. Photograph by Nigel Parry.
>
> I remember sitting with Richard Perle in his suite at London's
> Grosvenor House hotel and receiving a private lecture on the
> importance of securing victory in Iraq. "Iraq is a very good
> candidate for democratic reform," he said. "It won't be
> Westminster overnight, but the great democracies of the world
> didn't achieve the full, rich structure of democratic governance
> overnight. The Iraqis have a decent chance of succeeding." Perle
> seemed to exude the scent of liberation, as well as a whiff of
> gunpowder. It was February 2003, and Operation Iraqi Freedom, the
> culmination of his long campaign on behalf of regime change in
> Iraq, was less than a month away.
>
> Three years later, Perle and I meet again at his home outside
> Washington, D.C. It is October, the worst month for U.S.
> casualties in Iraq in almost two years, and Republicans are
> bracing for losses in the upcoming midterm elections. As he looks
> into my eyes, speaking slowly and with obvious deliberation, Perle
> is unrecognizable as the confident hawk who, as chairman of the
> Pentagon's Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee, had invited
> the exiled Iraqi dissident Ahmad Chalabi to its first meeting
> after 9/11. "The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly
> horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity,"
> Perle says now, adding that total defeat—an American withdrawal
> that leaves Iraq as an anarchic "failed state"—is not yet
> inevitable but is becoming more likely. "And then," says Perle,
> "you'll get all the mayhem that the world is capable of creating."
>
> According to Perle, who left the Defense Policy Board in 2004,
> this unfolding catastrophe has a central cause: devastating
> dysfunction within the administration of President George W. Bush.
> Perle says, "The decisions did not get made that should have been.
> They didn't get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were
> argued out endlessly.… At the end of the day, you have to hold the
> president responsible.… I don't think he realized the extent of
> the opposition within his own administration, and the disloyalty."
>
>
> George W. Bush. Photograph by Annie Leibovitz.
>
> Perle goes so far as to say that, if he had his time over, he
> would not have advocated an invasion of Iraq: "I think if I had
> been delphic, and had seen where we are today, and people had
> said, 'Should we go into Iraq?,' I think now I probably would have
> said, 'No, let's consider other strategies for dealing with the
> thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of
> mass destruction to terrorists.' … I don't say that because I no
> longer believe that Saddam had the capability to produce weapons
> of mass destruction, or that he was not in contact with
> terrorists. I believe those two premises were both correct. Could
> we have managed that threat by means other than a direct military
> intervention? Well, maybe we could have."

[NanceGreggs]

1. ATTENTION ALL NEO-CONS ...

... YOUR ATTENTION PLEASE.

The last lifeboat has already been launched. It is too late to distance yourselves from the iceberg you yourselves created.

Would anyone like to join in a rousing rendition of "Nearer My God to Thee" before the waters overtake you?

Class? Anyone?

Perle?

Frum?

Adelman?

Bueller?

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

3. Nance, to put it simply:

:yourock:

[Erika]

2. Yes, here was no need for military intervention

And W sent our troops into hell.