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tommcintyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 06:58 AM
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National Groups Announce Movement for Impeachment
source: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0611/S00173.htm
Friday, 10 November 2006, 10:34 am

Press Release: impeachforchange.org

On Saturday, November 11, at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia, just across from Independence Hall, where the U.S. Constitution was written and signed, a coalition of national organizations will announce plans to mobilize a movement to impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney. The mobilization will be called ImpeachForChange.

Speakers will include Elizabeth Holtzman, former Member of Congress, served on the House panel that voted to impeach President Nixon, and author of "The Impeachment of George W. Bush: A Practical Guide for Concerned Citizens"; Cindy Sheehan, Co-Founder of Gold Star Families for Peace; David Swanson, Co-Founder of AfterDowningStreet.org and Washington Director of Democrats.com; Tim Carpenter, Director of Progressive Democrats of America; Jodie Evans, Co-Founder of CODE PINK Women for Peace; Bill Perry, Veterans for Peace; and Bob Fertik, President of Democrats.com and ImpeachPAC.org. Representatives of other participating organizations will be present. Participating organization include the National Organization for Women, the Hip Hop Caucus, Constitution Summer, and many of the 200 plus organizations in the After Downing Street Coalition.

The speakers will be followed by a discussion of impeachment by prominent bloggers, including Sally Hemings (Sally Hemings in Paris), Rob Kall (OpEdNews.com), Dave Lindorff (ThisCantBeHappening.net), Martin Longman (BoomanTribune.com), Susie Madrik (Suburban Guerilla), Liza Sabater (Culture Kitchen), Glen Ford (Black Agenda Report), and Bob Fertik (Democrats.com).

On October 21, the Newsweek poll found 51% of Americans supporting impeachment. On October 25, the USA Today/Gallup poll found 51% of Americans supporting "major investigations" by Democrats. Much of that support comes from books, internet journalism and organizing by the speakers who will participate.

more: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0611/S00173.htm

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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:08 AM
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1. Looks like the people will decide if Bush is impeached!
Well, well, look who gets to decide. We are the deciders! Ha!
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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:09 AM
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2. Recomended for greatest so others will see this.
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freefall Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:16 AM
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5. Ditto. That's good news about 51% of Americans either being
for impeachment or investigations. I think I'll wear my ImpeachBush.org sweatshirt today. Criminals should have to face justice. I must admit I am torn between wanting the Republican criminals to face the music and wanting to see things getting done in Congress. There are so many very serious problems that need addressing. Not sure we can get things done and serve justice at the same time.

:dilemma:

Peace,

freefall
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:26 AM
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7. That's what I call a MANDATE! We've got the political capital, and we should spend it! n/t
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:38 AM
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8. Hey, we're Democrats we can do both!.....nt
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:11 AM
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3. kicked and recommended
for the Truth! :patriot:
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:12 AM
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4. Yes!
Edited on Fri Nov-10-06 07:13 AM by snappyturtle
I realize there are those who think impeachment isn't the right track for the Dems to take. However,I believe that not doing anything sends the wrong message.....to future presidents. I hope Congress can reign in presidential powers * has self-imposed.

Edit:K&R!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 08:38 AM
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10. the choices aren't either impeachment or "not doing anything" . . .
impeachment is a political process; it's not about justice . . . impeachment is designed to protect the nation from corrupt leaders by removing them from office, but that's all it does -- no jail, no fines, no real punishment for crimes committed . . . that's what courts are for . . .

and the courts are where we should be taking Bush and company -- after they're out of office . . . meanwhile, we can prevent BushCo from doing any more damage through Constitutional checks and balances now that we control the Congress . . . consider:

- impeachment proceedings will literally consume the government and the nation for the next two years
- by the time impeachment proceedings and the resulting trial in the Senate run their course, BushCo's terms of office will be pretty much over anyhow
- the only thing the Democrats won on Tuesday is an opportunity -- to prove to Americans that we can govern effectively
- if we tie up the country with impeachment proceedings, nothing much else will get done -- and we will have failed to demonstrate our fitness to govern
- besides all this, the House isn't going to impeach -- and even if they did, the Senate would never convict -- especially since they'll all be leaving office anyhow . . .

a far better approach would be to spend the next two years addressing the real problems of real people while assembling the evidence and building the case against Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et. al. . . and then hauling them before the appropriate U.S. and/or international courts after they're out of office for trial, conviction, and punishment . . .

I can't see how spending our political capital to remove someone from office -- and nothing more -- when they'll be leaving office anyhow by the time the proceedings conclude is a wise use of our time and energy over the next two (short) years . . . better to work on ending the war, improving the economy, restoring New Orleans and the Gulf Coast, protecting the environment, and establishing a record that will help the American people, undo the most egregious BushCo crap of the past six years, and show that we're the party that gets things done going into the 2008 elections . . .

and bringing BushCo to REAL justice at the appropriate time . . .
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 11:04 AM
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12. ". . .bringing BushCo to REAL justice at the appropriate time"
That time is right now. O.K. so maybe you don't have to start impeachment proceedings immediately, but look at this:

blm posted this important article in another thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2663206#2663325

The moral is - if there is no accountability for the crimes committed by the Bush administration, we will just get more of the same in the future.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0511-29.htm

Published on Thursday, May 11, 2006 by Consortium News
Hey Democrats, Truth Matters!
by Robert Parry


My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

. . .

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

. . .

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

. . .

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

. . .


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rainy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 01:04 PM
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14. Why did Clinton really do it. Cause if they dissed him after such
a forgiving gester, why does Clinton love Poppy so much?
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 07:19 AM
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6. We the People. I like that sound :)
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 08:09 AM
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9. This is a press release, not a news source
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 10:45 AM
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11. Well, I guess when Cindy Sheehan decided to stand up and single-handedly
lead and focus the MAJORITY of Americans in their opposition to the Iraq War (56% opposed before the invasion--up to 70% today), at a time when the notion of being able to stop this war, by a peoples' movement, seemed crazily unrealistic, and after an extended period in which the Democratic Party leadership was mostly pro-war, its chief antiwar advocate, Paul Wellstone, having been killed in a yet to be explained plane crash, and its chief antiwar presidential candidate having been knocked out of the race by a doctored video ("the scream") with no tears shed at the DNC (of that era), and during a period also when the war profiteering corporate news monopolies were unanimous in their agreement that being against the Iraq War was kooky and leftist and not worth a second of anyone's time--and, acting in concert, ignored millions of people marching against the war at home and abroad, as well as ignoring a wealth of evidence that the war was unnecessary (not to mention illegal and genocidal), and that the president and his puppetmasters, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, were lying through their teeth...when Cindy Sheehan decided to buck all this, and stand up, against the fascist tide, and speak for the People, and speak for herself as the mom of a son killed in this wretched "war of choice," the rest of us could not have imagined what happened two days ago--the fullscale revolt of the American people.

No matter how the war profiteering corporate news monopolies try to "spin" this election, they cannot deny that the Iraq War was the NUMBER ONE ISSUE on the minds of voters when they went to the polls to VOTE FOR CHANGE. It outran jobs. It outran Social Security. It outran skyrocketing medical costs and cuts in education funding. It outran multiple tax cuts for the rich--and all issues of poor/middle class financial pain. It also outran gay marriage, women's rights, immigration and the disaster of Bush regime incompetence during Katrina.

From nothing, when Cindy Sheehan first stood up--a nothing national issue of no consequence to anyone who "matters"--into the NUMBER ONE NATIONAL ISSUE and inspiration for throwing a whole lot of dirty rotten bums out of Congress, and out of the Pentagon!

So...when Cindy Sheehan says "Impeachment is back on the table," the Democratic leadership who BENEFITED from her courage and vision, and her love for her son, had better pay attention. Because impeachment is NEXT.

It's crazily unrealistic, to be sure. I know how craftily this Congress was put together--by a combination of direct corporate control over election results, via "trade secret," proprietary programming code in the new electronic voting systems (in both the primary and general elections), other dirty tricks and vote suppression, and plain old filthy lucre--to be ruled by a minority contingent of "Bushite Democrats" (like those who voted for torture and suspension of habeas corpus a few weeks ago), who hold "swing vote" power in the House, and of course Lieberman's "swing vote" in the Senate. However gratifying the Democratic win may be, it is undeniably true that this Congress STILL doesn't even begin to reflect the majority of the American people, SEVENTY PERCENT of whom oppose the Iraq War. IF it was representative, the very first order of business would be STOPPING that illegal, unjust, genocidal war IMMEDIATELY. A war that is costing us $11 MILLION per HOUR. But, no, the first words out of Nancy Pelosi's mouth are "impeachment is off the table." THAT is the first order of business of this Congress: NOT to impeach the war criminals in the White House. No doubt because impeaching them would, a) indict the Democrats who supported the war; b) expose and indict the war profiteer industry, and c) call this pigsty of a military budget INTO QUESTION (what does this military budget do except INVITE wars of choice? why not cut it back to a true defensive posture?).

I have no doubt that people like John Conyers and Henry Waxman are into a justice in a real way, know what's what, and have been prepared to impeach Bush/Cheney for a long time now, for a long list of the worst "high crimes and misdemeanors" ever committed by a U.S. president and vice president, from blatant felonies (domestic spying), to crimes against humanity (100,000s of innocent people killed, thousands tortured), to treason (outing the entire CIA WMD counter-proliferation network), to massive thievery (the vice president's own company stealing Iraq war and reconstruction funds with both hands), to ripping up the Constitution (with "signing statements" and other KINGLY assertions).

These crimes SHOULD BE PROSECUTED. These criminals SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM OFFICE. Because if they are not, it's all going to happen again. The precedents for criminality in the White House are staggering.

But the other side of the coin is that the new Congress has been seriously sabotaged by egregiously NON-TRANSPARENT elections. Almost no member of Congress was elected by vote counting that people can SEE. It's all done in a "black box" now, by two private corporations with close ties to the Republican Party and far rightwing causes. Further, the war profiteering corporate news monopolies are out-of-control as a propaganda organ for unaccountable fascist power. They will seek to destroy any politician who actually represents the majority of the American people. To them, we are the enemy, and anyone who speaks and acts for us becomes a target of "swift-boating" (and worse). So, people like John Conyers and Henry Waxman cannot speak their minds, and cannot act on our behalf. They are hamstrung, by a grievously compromised Congress and by the corporate news monopolies.

It's also possible that a deal has been made, at some remote "aspen" cabin in the Colorado hills: Rumsfeld goes, the invasion of Iran is off, and Democrats get to take over Congress and pass a minimum wage bill and other minor tweaks for the poor, in exchange for NO IMPEACHMENT.

That's what it smells like. Conyers' and Waxman's hands have been tied. And as positive as this deal may be--and IF that's what has happened, there are certainly some positive aspects to it--it is still a highly manipulated and very undemocratic development. And it very unfortunately leaves all these fascist presidential powers in place, unchallenged.

Cindy Sheehan is attacking it from that end. Impeachment is NEEDED. Justice requires it. (And, further, I would say that it is downright UNCONSTITUTIONAL to say that "impeachment is off the table." Since when does Congress throw away that power, in the face of massive presidential crime?)

But personally I think that we need to approach this from a different perspective, and with a different strategy. I think the war on Iraq is going to continue DESPITE 70% opposition by the people of this country. We're going to see plan after plan for "withdrawal," and delay after delay. The powers-that-be are NOT going to give up those 15 permanent U.S. military bases in the Middle East, nor the NeoCon dream of controlling all Mideast oilfields. The people of this country knew what THEY were voting for. And it was so overwhelming that even the corporate media had to report it. They were voting for AN END TO THE IRAQ WAR. But they're not going to get it because of WHO they were voting for--their only choices, a set of pre-selected candidates designed to prevent a real end to the war and any significant reform.

We are not going to see an end to this war, and an end to the fascist policies that were used to implement it against the will of the American people, until we have restored TRANSPARENT elections. That is going to take time, and it's going to take some smarts--by the election reform movement and the leftist (majorityist) movement.

Here's my strategy for achieving it: These elections saw a dramatic increase in Absentee Ballot voting--something that almost NO ONE here at DU has commented on but me. This huge increase in Absentee Ballot voting represents huge voter distrust in the new voting machines, and was, in fact, is a VOTERS' REBELLION and a BOYCOTT against the machines. It got up to 50%-60% of the vote in many places. These voters KNOW that the system is being rigged, and were trying to get around the rigged electronics. With this base of discontented and distrustful voters--IF we mobilize it--we can pressure LOCAL election officials to, a) HAND COUNT the Absentee Ballots, and b) POST the results BEFORE any electronics are involved. This are reasonable, modest and common sense demands that do not threaten the system directly. It's a backdoor strategy for creating a paper ballot system BY DEFAULT. It avoids a head-on collision with the vast corruption associated with the billions of dollars in e-voting contracts, which has affected both Dem and Repub election officials and legislators (the chief obstacle to reform). They can keep their expensive machines for the time being. Just COUNT the AB votes as those voters intend. As this strategy succeeds, even more voters will vote AB. It will become THE chief method of voting. We will get rid of the machines by attrition. Further, we could seek to extend these principles to the Optiscan ballots (hand count, post the results before electronic tallying), if people keep voting on those machines. (Hand counting and posting the results immediately neutralizes the fraud capability of the central electronic tabulators--we can keep those tabulators, or not.) I'm talking about a 100% audit--starting with the AB votes, and presuming we develop ORGANIZED groups of AB voters to make this demand LOCALLY.

56% of the American people opposed the Iraq War, way back before the invasion (Feb. '03). That would be a landslide in a presidential election. And it should have resulted in Bush's ouster in '04. And we now know what lengths the Bushites went to--assisted by the silence of the Dem Party leadership--to insure NON-TRANSPARENCY in the '04 vote counting.

The non-transparency has not changed. Ergo, the war will continue--until we can get a vote that TRULY reflects the views and interests of the American people. We are not there yet. We are still in a manipulated, illusory political environment, based on egregiously non-transparent vote counting.

I'm glad Cindy Sheehan is talking about impeachment. It needs to be talked about. But we, in essence, have no power to impeach, just as we still have no practical power to end the war. The warmongers and war profiteers have had to pull their heads in a bit, in the face of SEVENTY PERCENT opposition. But they are not finished with us, nor with our sons and daughters whom they are STILL sending off to the Iraq killing fields. They're laying back, like the snakes they are, coiled to strike again. All their war powers and fascist powers are still in tact. And the best we can expect, from this crafted Congress, is some new accountability regarding the money. (Halliburton, however, is preparing to spin off KBR, to avoid liability. We're not likely to get any of those billions BACK. But we may see some oversight of current funds.)

NOTHING is going to change very much until we have TRANSPARENT VOTE COUNTING. Non-transparent vote counting IS the fascist coup that we must overturn.

These elections cost THREE BILLION DOLLARS ($40 per vote), most of it poured into the pockets of the very corporate news monopolies who lied to us about the war. That, too, is a major and priority problem: the filthy campaign contribution system, and WHO it benefits. But the mechanism of our sovereignty as a people--our right to vote--MUST be restored, before we can fix anything else. And I expect the new Democratic Congress to be as effective on election reform, and on campaign contributions, as they will be on the Iraq War and impeachment. Deals, deals and more deals, and no significant change. (I expect the Senate to gut or veto any effective election reform.)

We have to do it ourselves. The election reform movement has not yet come up with a strategy to achieve transparent vote counting. We've been awesome at raising consciousness, but ineffective at practical change. We have no strategy to get there. The Absentee Ballot movement provides a strategy.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-10-06 11:07 AM
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13. This should become incrasingly popular as the media
actually starts reporting Bush's crimes. K&R.
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