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2tr4nqued Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:28 PM
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Impeachment/Withdrawal Bad for Democratic Party
One of the big reasons that some Democratic suits have offered for not impeaching President Bush and holding him accountable for LYING AMERICA INTO A WAR is because it would be bad for the Democratic Party. So just like the Republicans put politics first when they tried to impeach President Clinton, the Democrats are now putting politics first when they are refusing to consider impeaching President Bush.

But it's not just impeachment y'all. The Democratic Party puts party over everything, so they will sell out on every single point, and here's an example from the New York Times: http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/fairenough/nyt669.html.

Even the Democrats, with an eye toward 2008, have dropped talk of a race for the exits, in favor of a brisk stroll. But that may be the only solace for Mr. Bush as he returns from a messy encounter with Iraq’s prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki.

Yep, that's right, folks! "Even Democrats, with an eye toward 2008, have dropped talk of a race for the exits" in Iraq. And who didn't expect that? All that talk of ending the war was just to get people to the polls to vote Democratic, but now that the Democrats are in, they're going to be "moderate" and do exactly what Bush has been doing all along.

Just like they won't move toward impeachment because it would "hurt" the worthless Democratic Party, they're going to shy away from getting American soldiers out of Iraq, because they don't want Republicans to call them names and spoil their chances for 2008. (But if the Democrats aren't going to impeach Bush and they aren't going to get us out of Iraq, then who cares if they "win" in 2008 or not, except for the people who think of politics as a football game and just want their team to win, and that whatever happens afterward is irrelevant?)

I wonder what else the Democratic Party will back off on. Pretty soon, you'll hear them say that they don't want to raise the minimum wage because they're more focused on the 2008 election. And they won't do anything about health care costs or college tuition, because it's just more practical to think about winning the presidency in 2008. And on and on it will go. And there won't be a single difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party except the letter after the name of party members.

The Democratic Party is officially a sellout party. They don't stand for anything except capital letter Ds. That's the only thing they will refuse to give up. Otherwise, they will be just like the Republicans on every issue. Watch and see.

It won't stop with not investigating the executive branch and holding those blood-soaked psychopathic criminals in our government accountable. And it won't stop with backing off on bringing American soldiers home from Iraq. This rottenness goes all the way to the core. All that matters to the Democratic suits is that they win elections. All the principles they spout beforehand are just marketing. They don't mean a word of it. They are selling out every reason people elected them so they can win in 2008. And they will do the same thing in 2008. They will run on this or that, and then if they win the presidency, they will preach pragmatism and say that they can't actually fulfill any of their campaign promises because they have to focus on winning the 2010 elections.

This is just the beginning. Watch and see if the Democrats don't fall away from everything they talked about before the election. And what's really disturbing is that it's not just the Democrats in Washington, but it's also lots of the rank-and-file voters like the ones who post on this blog.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:37 PM
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1. I don't give a damn about the party
I DO give a damn about OUR NATION. These things MUST HAPPEN, political careers aside.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:37 PM
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2. not all of us here are so willing to put party before doing what's right....
Welcome to DU!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 02:37 PM
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3. Ahhhh... Golden Triangle... So Shiny....
The Dems talked a good game for a week, and now seem to have returned to craven triangulation. The funny thing is that they've been the party of triangulation ever since Mr. Clinton showed the way in 1992... and once they adopted triangulation as the party platform, they proceeded to get creamed in the next 6 Congressional elections - until this year, when the Rethugs were so shatteringly awful that most voters could not bring themselves to pull the "R" lever.

So now the Dems are back to triangulating - and as soon as the Rethugs dig up a few fresh-faced Hitler Youth with a little less baggage, they'll be back in power. The electoral "tsunami" will likely turn out to be more of an electoral sponge bath.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:09 PM
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9. Unfortunately true--cheerfully accepting their "wimp" role in
the warm & fluffy wing of the corporate party.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:01 PM
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4. Tragically, the "bad for Dems" assumption is the OPPOSITE of Reality
The biggest problem the Democratic Party has is the perception that Democrats are weak and unprincipled. It is hard to imagine a more effective way that Democrats can prove they are the party of strength and principle than to stand and fight for the Constitution.

What better time than now, when the principle of consent and the dictates of our Constitution are so desperately in need of a champion?

Democrats complain that the leadership has failed to define what they stand for. You'd think they'd jump on the opportunity to define what they stand for by actually STANDING AND FIGHTING for something. What could be more compelling than fighting for the principle of consent and "We the People"?

The Nov. 7th "wave" demonstrated the power of the public's growing dismay at the arrogant, irresponsible, and autocratic Bush Cheney White House. But the election could only give voters an indirect means of venting their anger, and as such, it did not fully tap into the anger or bring it into focus.

If they have the courage to stand up and make their case for impeachment, Democratic leaders would provide a voice and a focus that could energize voters across the political spectrum.

Instead of being champions of the People and the Constitution, they choose the path of tactical appeasement. (As they wipe their foreheads in relief, believing they have dodged the Impeachment "bullet.")

The Democratic Party's failure to take up the fight for impeachment is symptomatic of a deeply ingrained pattern of self-defeating behavior. (We have seen the enemy, and it is us -- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2964929">link) post]). Their failure stand up and fulfill their is deplorable, but what makes it so heartbreaking is that they are failing to seize an unprecedented opportunity.


http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/2260/">Democratic Do's and Don't
In These Times
By Rep. Jan Schakowsky
July 2005

. . .do what your mother said—or at least what my mother said—stand up straight. What people like least about progressives and Democrats is that they think we’re squishy. They think Bush is tough, knows what he believes and is willing to fight for it. Americans like tough, even when they don’t entirely agree with the substance. Voters like tough; voters don’t like tentative.


Even if they can't shake their belief that impeachment is a loser for the party, their duty remains. We take oaths and make commitments to do hard and frightening things in advance so that when the time comes, we Just Do It, win or lose, however scary or difficult "It" may be.

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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:04 PM
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5. I'm willing to wait to see what they
really do and if it'd different from what is being reported. They were elected to do something about the war and if they are going to be the same they won't have anything worth campaigning on for '08. There will likely be a third party and people won't be voting for the dems if they don't get those troops home and end our involvement. Impeachment is another whole issue. If the hearings reveal impeachable offenses and they still take this stance they are complicit but I do understand that hearings, evidence must come first.

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angry_chuck Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 03:54 PM
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6. maybe it will be
that our disillusionment with both parties will finally give rise to a new party, or many. Probably not, but I can hope right?
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 04:10 PM
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7. That is why the Purification must begin and be thorough!
Not all Democrats are corporate sellouts afraid of putting the truth and agenda before "electability" (whatever that is).
Dennis comes to mind immediately, as do all the guys and gals over at PDA, http://www.pdamerica.org, the group that is trying to put the little d back in Democratic!
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 05:13 PM
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8. Tom Tomorrow did a cartoon on this
Whatever happens, it's somehow bad for the Democrats.
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2tr4nqued Donating Member (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 06:17 PM
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10. I agree that there should be investigations
before, during, and after Bush and Cheney are impeached.

Thanks for the warm welcome, guys.

Is anyone doing anything for Human Rights Day/National Impeachment Day? Information is here: http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizations/ADS/event/distributedEventSearch.jsp?distributed_event_KEY=134&t=ADSHeaderOnly.dwt
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