Apple's Steve Jobs tops list of highest paid CEOs

[Nomad559]

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/05/04/apples_steve_jobs_tops_list_of_highest_paid_ceos.html

Despite a $1 yearly salary, Apple chief executive Steve Jobs still managed to top Forbes' list of highest paid CEOs for 2006, raking in more than $646 million through stock-based compensation -- more than twice that of the next highest paid boss.

The financial publication reported that chief executives of America's 500 biggest companies got a collective 38 percent pay raise last year, to $7.5 billion; an average $15.2 million apiece.

Jobs' $646.6 million came in the form of restricted stock options that vested during the year, bringing his 5-year compensation total for work done at Apple to $650.17 million.

[mattclearing]

1. Probably the only overpaid CEO that is actually anywhere near worth the money.

No one works hard or smart enough to bring in 650 mil in five years, but Jobs has done a great job at making Apple competitive, and the effects of the creative tools that he has put out there for relatively little money are huge. People can and do make records and movies for the cost of a Mac mini and ILife.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

2. Agree Completely

I used to be one of those people who thought the Cult of Mac was out of control, until I became a true believer myself. Macs aren't flawless, but they beat the heck out of most microSOFT products.

[Auggie]

50. Me too.

Apple sets the standard in ease-of-use and innovation and forces others to keep up.

[chaska]

3. Well, at least (unlike Microsoft) they don't employ Ralph Reed and Grover Norquist....

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archives/1999/0799rowe.html

Then too there’s the mounting expenditure that sellers foist upon people through machination and deceit. People don’t choose to pay for the corrupt campaign finance system or for bloated executive pay packages. The cost of these is hidden in the prices that we pay at the store. As I write this, the Washington Post is reporting that Microsoft has hired Ralph Reed, former head of the Christian Coalition, and Grover Norquist, a right-wing polemicist, as lobbyists in Washington. When I bought this computer with Windows 95, Bill Gates never asked me whether I wanted to help support a bunch of Beltway operators like these.



It's a great article, BTW.

[Nomad559]

4. That article Is from 1999

and Microsoft does not employ Ralph Reed or Grover Norquist.

But what about Steve Jobs and Apple?

Steve Jobs, Proud to Be Nonunion
http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72754-0.html?tw=rss.technology

Employees offer mixed reactions to Apple corporate life
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=974
"There is a definite lack of emphasis on customers," said the employee, who holds a senior management position. The employee wrote that there is "a significant fear factor perpetuated of the CEO" by "empire building dinosaurs who operate in antiquated modes and only promote their favorites." The same employee said it's a company policy "not to take notes in meetings," which can make it "quite daunting" to try to operate under such "impossible circumstances."

Meanwhile, a product manager stationed at Apple's home-base in Cupertino sums up Apple as the average conservative company, which works its employees "to the bone" without enough compensation. "When I started it felt like Apple knew my name and what I did," the employee wrote, "but now am nothing more than employee XXX."

[Elwood P Dowd]

5. I see your back on the board bashing Apple. Is that all you post about?

Apple stock is selling ten times higher than three years ago. Sales are up dramatically on both the Mac computers and the iTunes and Ipod products. The company was on it's death bed when Steve was named CEO back in the late 90s, and now it's worth more than Dell.

Apple now worth more than Dell
Friday, January 13, 2006 - 04:14 PM EDT

On October 6, 1997, in response to the question of what he'd do if he was in charge of Apple Computer, Dell founder and then CEO Michael Dell stood before a crowd of several thousand IT executives and answered flippantly, "What would I do? I'd shut it down and give the money back to the shareholders."

A little more than a month later, on November 10, 1997, new Apple iCEO Steve Jobs responded, speaking in front of an image of Michael Dell's bulls-eye covered face, "We're coming after you, you're in our sights."

Today, after a little more than eight years of hard work, Apple Computer, Inc. passed Dell, Inc. in market value. That's right, at market close Apple Computer ($72,132,428,843) is now worth more than Dell ($71,970,702,760).

Also, his compensation the previous four years was less than 4 million......

"Jobs' $646.6 million came in the form of restricted stock options that vested during the year, bringing his 5-year compensation total for work done at Apple to $650.17 million."

[Nomad559]

6. How Is posting

"Factual Information" about Apple or Steve Jobs "Bashing"

I've asked this question several times to you Apple cult members, but you refuse to answer ... Why Is that?

:)

[Elwood P Dowd]

8. So Apple users are "cult members"?

It's the facts you leave out, like he made 646 million just one year and that he has increased the value of the company by tens of billions of dollars. You pick and choose headlines and stories to make Jobs, Apple, and Apple users look bad, and you've been doing so for quite some time on DU. Bill Gates is worth 50 billion dollars. Why do you never post negative stories about him?

[Cronopio]

9. He's not allowed to.

30 billion in cash buys a lot of media assassins. It's the only rationale for defending Microsoft as a competitor these days. But MS is a lot like George W. Bush ... he may have a lot of money and connections, but he's still thick as a brick.

[Nomad559]

11. Some Apple users are "Cult Members"

Some Apple users are "Cult Members"

It's really easy to spot them, they have a cry every time someone post's anything negative about Apple or Steve Jobs. Some use avatars to show their support for Apple, and most of all, they make false statements about others who do not agree with their opinion.

I have always posted negative and positive news articles on ALL Operating Systems and Browsers, but It's only the "Cult Members" of Apple and Linux here on DU that have a temper tantrum over the negative articles, you people need to grow up.

Do you know whats really sad about these "Cult Members"?
It's that they get more upset over some stupid software than what the Bush Administration Is doing to this Country.

:puke:

[Elwood P Dowd]

12. If the Sunday New York Times, Washington Post, and LA Times all printed front page

stories praising Apple, you would never mention them on DU. If the Podunk, Montana News posted a negative Apple story on Monday, you would post it on DU. You need to grow up. I hardly ever make computer posts. I doubt there have been more than 25 out of my 3,000+ posts since 2003. You, on the other hand, are constantly coming on DU and posting negative articles about Apple. You seem to be closer to the cultist - an anti-Apple cultist. It's like you're obsessed with Apple's success, and you feel better by making hundreds of posts about them on DU. I bet you my anti-Bush to anti-Microsoft post ratio is ten times better than your anti-Bush to anti-Apple post ratio.

[Nomad559]

14. I bet you my anti-Bush to anti-Microsoft

I would not make that bet If I were you.

Spin, Spin and more Spin ... Most of what I post here on DU Is on the media forum, I post videos of Keith Olbermann, Bill Maher and others.

The fact Is, you have never posted anything negative about Apple, but you have made many negative posts about Windows ... and you accuse me of being a cultist?

As I stated before, I have posted negative and positive news articles on ALL Operating Systems and Browsers.

And for the record, I have never posted anything praising Windows, why do you suppose that Is?

Because I am NOT a cultist.

:)

[Elwood P Dowd]

15. You had more negative Apple posts last Fall and Winter

than I have computer-related posts TOTAL for almost 4 years. You were all over the Macintosh forum to the point everyone over there was sick of it. At one point, almost half the posts on page one of that forum belonged to you.

Edit to add: I went to the media forum and didn't find a single thread started by you on page 1 or page 2 dating back 3 months. I went to the Macintosh forum and found 15 threads started by you on page 1 alone. The Macintosh forum is for Macintosh users, not people obsessed with bashing Apple products.

[Nomad559]

16. More of your bullshit

3 Months my ass, I post the Bill Maher New Rules video every week (I haven't posted this weeks as yet) and I often post Keith Olbermann's Special Comment videos.

And I haven't posted In the Macintosh forum In "Months"

What do you contribute to this forum? ... other than posting bullshit about other DU members.

[Elwood P Dowd]

18. You said the Media Forum, so that's what I checked.

And what do you contribute to this forum other than bashing Apple and posting a few videos? I post on DU GD and GD Politics, and I haven't posted anything negative about DU members since the last time YOU came on DU and started bashing Apple and DU Apple users a few months ago.

[Nomad559]

19. And yet again

How Is posting factual Information about Apple "Bashing"?

It's funny how much alike freepers and Apple cultist are.
When I post something factual about Apple, what do I get from the Apple cult members ... Why do you hate Apple?

When I post something factual about the pResident, what do I get from the freepers ... Why do you hate America.

:)

[IChing]

17. "Cult Members" of Apple and Linux here

Sounds like you believes in a one party system here
unless you have developed another OS system.

Your tag, tags you.

[silverojo]

7. The only reason MacIntosh isn't dead is the iPod

If Sony had only promoted its MiniDisc technology in the United States at ALL, and introduced its mp3 software sooner, MD would've been so entrenched that the iPod wouldn't have been able to touch the market.

It isn't Steve Jobs who's a genius, so much as Sony's massive screw-up that allowed an inferior product to achieve success. People are already replacing their broken, cheaply-made iPods, while MD users are still using their portables and consoles that were built 10 years ago! The discs themselves are virtually indestructible, with documented evidence of them surviving floods, intense heat--and, in one instance, even being run over by a car. Try that with your crApple iPod, LOL.

If Steve Jobs were as bright as he's said to be, maybe he could come up with a computer that can actually produce a readable font (Mac fonts look as awful onscreen as those of a low-end Linux distro). Or maybe some software for creating web pages, which doesn't make such a mess that the page is virtually unviewable for the (majority of) people who don't use a Mac.

I hate MicroShaft, but Apple's inferior products aren't helping in the war against Windows.

[cannondale]

10. Had to weigh in

My iPod -- the original 5GB model. Still charges, and still lasts throughout a 6-hour drive. I do not know anyone who has managed to break an iPod, even after they have dropped then while bicycling, and yes, backed oven them with a car -- it would be hard to break just about any portable device by driving over it with a car.

How about a quality example: One company, two types of computers. I do most of the programming, so I have a Mac by choice. The business partner has that Windows stuff. I replace my laptop an average of once every 3-1/2 years, his every two years. For his last laptop, he replaced the battery twice, the monitor once, and a motherboard replacement. He defrags his laptop weekly, but used to do it nightly. I don't know how I'd even go about doing that, and I don't need to anyway. He has had various viruses of various flavors, and had reinstalled Windows twice in the past two years. I do not have virus protection.

Salesmen: all have replaced their batteries within the first year. Most have had their OS reinstalled, several replaced hard drives. All have had a viruses, some formatted their drives to solve the problem.

The server is a Mac. It is a file server (Mac and Windows), FTP, and DB server. We have had to restart it a few times in the past three years, but mostly for software upgrades.

The business partner just purchased a Mac, and plans to run Windows only for the few things he deems necessary. He will run the Mac side most of the time, and feels like he has a safety net because he knows the Windows side will crap out with a virus soon enough.

Hmmmmm. Yes, those Mac sure are inferior. Fonts look bad? Where did you read this, because it is certain you have never looked at a Mac screen? Have you notices how the Mac's anti-aliasing is beautiful compared to MS's? Software for creating Web pages?? Am I replying to a middle-school student?

The only reason Windows isn't dead

[billbuckhead]

13. Welcome to DU cannondale! I never thought Microsoft was in trouble till now

If Apple makes it so that Windows XP and Vista programs will run side by side with OS X right out of the box without any additional software beyond Windows, Microshaft will be in real trouble.

[TommyO]

27. Welcome to DU cannondale

It's always nice to see other Mac users/supporters here. I switched over a year ago and have had ZERO problems with my PowerMac.

[LeftCoast]

20. Hey nomad. It's spelled denial.

:eyes:

[wiley]

21. Bang your head harder

So you make a post and your little icon is banging it's head against a wall. Nothing even compares to a MAC OS to get things done. It's been 15 years now and I've never been disappointed by Macs. I don't know if anyone deserves to make that much money regardless of what profits they bring in, but Steve Jobs is a brilliant manager and visionary. Would he be our "cult" leader or are we a leaderless cult that just enshrines the equipment? Either way, most of my friends forced to use any version of Windows can't wait to get home to get some work done on their Macs. Wait, would Bill Gates be your "cult" leader? Why did you post your little flame, anyway?

:boring:

[Nomad559]

22. I see

you say "Nothing even compares to a MAC OS", so It must be true. :eyes:

Tell me, was Steve Jobs a brilliant manager and visionary when he stole thousands of dollars from his friend Steve Wozniak on the Atari deal?

Do you think that Steve Jobs and Apple made a ton of money because Jobs Is a brilliant manager? ... or maybe, It's because ALL the hardware Apple sells Is made by cheap slave labor In China. (Outsourcing Is good for Apple)

Why would Bill Gates be my "cult leader" ... When have I ever praised Bill Gates or Windows on this forum?

I did not post any "Flame" ... I posted the truth, Deal with It.

----------------------------------------------------

Rush Limbaugh says Mac OS X Tiger Rocks

:)

[cannondale]

23. I see...

I see... that when you are presented with real stories, you do not reply. I guess my one story may not be enough though, so here are other first-hand accounts. It is difficult to find real counter-stories -- that could be a reason Mac users are so adamant about their choice... ya think?

One client, a Mac-based law firm, has only Macs. They did not send me a 1099 last year because they took care of their machines almost entirely themselves, including the server. Approximately 20 computers, shared DB and file server, secretaries and attorneys, and NO on-site professional to help them. NO techie on call. Basically, no problems, if you exclude the two Macs taken out by lightning.

One client, PC-based hardware company. Has been through a few servers in the past five years. Has had several viruses that required visits from a techie or two. Requires continual virus protection on all machines. even though it drives them crazy that it slows their machines down considerably.

Local school district: last year their ENTIRE system was down because of a virus. All admin PCs, all classroom PCs, all lunchroom PCs... ALL of them. It took them more than a week, with student help, to get them back online.

Local school, mix of Macs and PCs. PCs are replaced every two-to-three years. Macs are replaced every four-to-EIGHT (yes, 8) years. No Mac virus protection, yet somehow, no Mac viruses. Once had every motherboard in a PC lab replaced because a virus mangles the BIOS. Weird, and expensive to the community.

Local hi-tech firm, mix of Macs and PCs. Head of graphic and printing department insisted they keep their Macs years ago, since every graphic artist was trained on a Mac, and PCs had too many problems with font and color issues. Gov't insisted they get PCs. Most graphics workers kept their Macs handy in case they had a deadline, knowing that the PCs were cantankerous when pushed hard. Last I hear, they still had OLD Macs sitting beside their new PCs just in case.

Also, I do not trust the opinion of professional liars. If Limbaugh can manage to pretend to like this administration...

[Nomad559]

24. It seems

we have a new Macsturbator on the forum. :hi:

Here are a couple of Interesting links with "Real Stories"

Danish Complaint Case may have Global Consequences for Apple
http://www.forbrug.dk/presse/nyheder/pressekit/ibookg4/ibook-g4-english/

PowerBook Lower Memory Slot Failure
http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/27/1712237

I could post many more like those If you like.

Did you know that Windows Vista Runs faster on Apple hardware?

Microsoft Vista Faster on a Mac Pro Than Apple's Own OS X
http://gizmodo.com:80/gadgets/software/microsoft-vista-faster-on-a-mac-pro-than-apples-own-os-x-232402.php

:)

[cannondale]

25. We're dealing with a child.

Macsturbator? Ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

Wow, that is really, well, unfunny. Since I was able to produce clear reasons why I would want to use a Mac (i.e., I don't get paid to troubleshoot viruses) and you use the "internets" to find a few examples of unhappy customers, then game over. Maybe you'd care to interject Godwin's law and be done with it?

Sorry, but I can't be convinced that Windows offers more productivity, for any reason, for any of my clients. Why? Not because of a few Google searches, but because I have been creating databases for more than 15 years, and I know the hardware Mac vs PC debate very well.

Don't you find it juvenile to include a few links? You could probably find more links claiming the earth is flat, but I wouldn't be impressed.

[Nomad559]

28. More spin

I make a valid argument backed up with facts, and You offer nothing but your own biased opinion, and you call me a child!

Personally, I think It's childish for someone new to a forum to start off by whoring for Apple, and calling other longtime DU members names.

Is your name Bill O'Reilly? ... I ask because you behave just like him.

:)

[TommyO]

29. Who started the name calling, Nomad?

If you look at the thread, you're the one who did that with your "Macsturbator" comment.

[Nomad559]

30. I was addressing him

by a accurate title that fits his behavior on this forum.

Anybody that whores for Apple Is a Macsturbator.

:)

[TommyO]

41. So, it's childish for a new poster to call you a name

but perfectly OK for you to start the name-calling?

[Nomad559]

43. So In your opinion

It's perfectly okay for someone to join this forum for the sole purpose of whoring for Apple.

Do you expect me to kiss the ass of every new Macsturbator that joins this forum?

Sorry, that's not going to happen, why should I give any respect to anyone that does not respect the opinions of others here on DU.

:eyes:

[Elwood P Dowd]

31. He use to stir up trouble on the DU Macintosh Forum and call people names

Nothing new for him.

[Nomad559]

32. And you always have a cry

every time I post something factual about Apple or Steve Jobs.

:eyes:

[IChing]

33. Obsessive compulsive behavior fixating on anyone that doesn't like

microsoft and uses something else.

[cannondale]

51. The Facts, eh?

"I make a valid argument backed up with facts, and You offer nothing but your own biased opinion, and you call me a child!"

The Mac vs PC argument can be "won" by using facts? Really? Then go for it, non-Macsturbator. I save time and money by using Macs, but your mileage may vary. I can prove that I save time & money because I have a business partner who has spent more of both by choosing a PC. I'm convinced that I am better off with a Mac. It would be hard to argue otherwise.

You offer a few links and name-calling. I'm not convinced.

"Personally, I think It's childish for someone new to a forum to start off by whoring for Apple, and calling other longtime DU members names."

Other longtime members, indeed. You beat me by less than a year, so kudos to you, old man. Whoring for Apple? I do not have stock in Apple (wish I did) not do I work for them or get any benefit from liking their product... besides getting more work done. You called me a "Macsturbator", and then are upset that I called you childish. I stand by the "childish" statement. You can call me childish for my statement, but "I know you are, but what am I?" argument is unbecoming.

"Is your name Bill O'Reilly? ... I ask because you behave just like him."

Ya got me! This is Bill-O, and I'm starting a Loofa vs. Falafel topic soon. Please join.

[TommyO]

26. $650 million over five years, that's 130mil/yr

Still extremely well compensated, even over-compensated, but hardly unheard of for CEOs these days.

[Cant trust em]

34. Anyone know what Steve Jobs' charitable giving is like?

I know a few non-profits that could use some of that cash.

[Nomad559]

35. I don't think that Steve Jobs

has ever given any money to charity, although I could be mistaken.

I do know that Steve Jobs Is a thief, a thief that would steal from a friend.

http://www.digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=business&id=3821

Woz confirmed that Jobs did rip him off in the early days when Jobs got him to redesign the circuit board for the classic arcade game, Breakout. After Wos had spent 72 hours straight getting the system boards chip count down by around half. Jobs told him he’d give Woz half of what he got, $700, but Jobs had actually received $7,000.

:)

[IChing]

36. "I don't think" .............is the most truthful thing you have ever said.

in your whole tirade against Apple and linux
I checked you out.......since you started here.

Dude microsoft is not paying you enough......

or you have issues that your operating system which you fear
doesn't have enough intellectual penis that can score in your
intellectual 486, DOS mentality which is reaching to
almost a sexual tirade on operating systems which might
give you the blue screen of logic of death.

Reboot your system, wipe the hard-drive and look at other Operating systems
It is only Zeros and Ones.

[Nomad559]

37. So you checked me out

Then how did you miss the fact that I have never given praise to Windows over any other operating system.

How did you miss the fact that I am currently using Linux. (Fedora Core 6)

How did you miss the fact that I Installed the Intel version of Mac OS X 10.4.6 (8) on one of my PCs.

I'll tell you how you missed those fact's, It's because you don't do any fact checking, you just spew bullshit.

:eyes:

[IChing]

38. "I Installed the Intel version of Mac OS X 10.4.6 (8) on one of my PCs."

Yeah right................you could make a fortune with that one............ so do....


I smell.. and see a hat you don't wear well when you post.



Give us the system that will cure us my friend........fedora?
LOL...........

Sorry, your genius bar on your expertise is lacking.

[Nomad559]

39. Typical

That's just the type of reply I would expect from someone unable to make a valid argument ... when all else fails, try to Insult someone's Intelligence.

Do you use the same handbook that freepers use when you spew your bullshit?

:eyes:

[IChing]

40. Dude give us that install that you have for all people

You claim you can put OSX on a PC............you rock..wo!!!w
for free...........you rule........
give me the people the source code.......give everyone the directions on that one.
cause nobody has done that yet. Or just me so I could sell that.

You are a saint...........and a rebel...with your hat that you wear.



The Proof is in your pudding not mine.........you claim your shit
not me............
back it up.............give us your website that proves
you put OSX on a PC....... I need money......

We bow before you...in your head-banging consciousness

[Nomad559]

42. Hundreds of thousands

of people around the world have Installed Mac OS X on a PC, and you have no clue that It's been done.

:rofl: ... :rofl: ... :rofl:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&q=Mac+OS+X+10.4.6%2BIntel%2BAMD&btnG=Search

:rofl:

[cannondale]

44. Not a PC

Installations have been on a Mac with Intel chips, not PCs. BTW, how old are you? Just asking.

Are you a Vistabater? Funny, eh? Get it? VISTAbater. I called you a name that indicates you like Vista. Very clever of me. Wait, how about Windsterbater? Or Gatesterbater?

[Nomad559]

46. More bullshit

If you would take the time to do some research and actually read my post, you would find that people have Installed Mac OS X on a PC.

I would also suggest you get off your lazy ass and read my profile If you want to know my age.

:eyes:

[TommyO]

45. Every one of those installations violates Apple's license agreement

2.A. This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time.

[Nomad559]

47. Those installations violate Apple's license agreement

That's True

:evilgrin:

[TommyO]

49. Just pointing out the illegality of it. Glad you find it devilish.

[Nomad559]

48. So tell me IChing

How does It feel when you make a HUGE ass out of yourself?

:rofl: