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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 09:50 AM
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Reconsidering Impeachment
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Reconsidering Impeachment
by Bob Burnett | May 15 2007


In Berkeley, it's difficult to travel more than a few blocks without seeing an "Impeach Bush" bumper sticker. And whenever I write a column about the 43rd President, I receive emails suggesting that the simplest solution to America's problems is his impeachment. Nonetheless, I'd never taken the possibility of impeachment seriously until this week, when I realized I've had enough: I want Dubya to go down.

The movement to impeach George W. Bush started around Labor Day, in 2002, when it become clear that he was determined to invade Iraq. In March 2003, it gathered momentum when many Americans joined marches and silent vigils to protest what we considered to be an ill-considered and dangerous action. Bush was enormously popular and many "blue" Americans felt we had lost our country: we couldn't understand why so many of our fellow citizens supported Dubya; or why they voted to reelect him in 2004. In those dark days, the impeachment movement seemed to be the last refuge of die-hard liberals: a defiant stance that had little hope of success.

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George Bush's unwillingness to be held personally responsible reflects on more than his Administration. It's a symptom of a deeper malaise that infects American politics and, sadly, much of American society. It's what I think of as the dual justice system. I first ran into this system many years ago when I was an idealistic probation officer in Orange County: courthouse habitués informed me that the defendants whose cases I handled were exclusively from the lower and middle class, because there was a different system of justice for the rich and powerful - patricians didn't go through the same process that plebeians did. Whether their crime was petty theft or murder, the elite received different treatment than they would have if they had been poor, or a person of color.

There are two systems of justice in the United States: one for the rich and powerful and a far different system for everyone else. Rob a bank and you go to prison; loot a savings and loan as an executive and you're likely to get a hefty fine, if that. Every day, we read about corporate executives who mismanaged their firms, caused the layoffs of thousands of poorly paid workers, and then danced away with millions of dollars of severance pay. We see what happened to the architects of the disaster in Iraq: Bremer, Franks, and Tenet got the "Presidential Medal of Freedom," Rice and Wolfowitz got promoted, as did the invasion supporters within the Pentagon. There was no accountability; they got away with it. So far.

That's why the impeachment of George W. Bush would send an important signal to other elected officials, and the power elite. It would be an indication that the American people are tired of Washington business-as-usual and serious about holding our leaders accountable for their actions. I'm not suggesting that the focus be exclusively on Bush, because I think his whole crew - Cheney, Gonzales, Rice, and Rumsfeld, among others - should go down, too. However, the logical place to start is with the guy at the top: the decider-in-chief.

Bob Dylan once wrote "even the President of the United States sometimes has to stand naked." This is the time for the trappings of power to be stripped from George Bush. He needs to stand naked before the law and take full responsibility for the failures of his Administration. Impeach Dubya.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 12:17 PM
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1. You're preaching to the choir. Don't tell us. Tell the Dem leadership in Congress.


Of course they won't pay any attention. The drink from the same kool aide bowl as the repugs.

I point to the 'SECRET' trade deal they did with the BFEE.

Personally, I've just about given up on the party. Here we thought we had done such a wonderful thing by getting a Dem congress elected. Big Whoopie! Then what happens? Princess Pelosi takes Impeachment off the table. Why did you think we put you in power bitch?

In all the ensuing years, I have to go back to my position of December, 2000 when a treasonous Extreme Court appointed our current nemesis.

AMERICA IS DEAD! Or at the least on terminal life support.

There are only two things that can save our nation and constitution.

The first and most peaceful is to move to public financing of all elections. We must remove the corporate profit motive from politics. But this CAN'T HAPPEN. The politicos are in the pockets of the corporations so the owners won't let their servants remove their power.

The only other answer I can foresee is a second American revolution. And from what I can gather from all those I speak with in public, there is a growing hatred, distrust and animosity to our government. And that includes both parties and all three branches of government.

I don't know nor can I foresee what circumstances will set it off, but history has shown us that revolutions are not planned, they just happen with little input from those that lead them. I fear we are approaching a point in history where the trigger will come upon us without warning.

As for me, I'm ready, armed, and just waiting to see where the barricades are piled.
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 04:55 PM
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2. Seems to be a theme today -- "In the past I have stupidly taken the position. . .
Edited on Tue May-15-07 04:55 PM by pat_k
TPMCafe
http://americaabroad.tpmcafe.com/blog/rjb/2007/may/15/war_hero_bush">RJB's Blog

. . .
In the past I have stupidly taken the position that impeachment was a bad idea at this time. Impeach Bush, the lives saved will number in the thousands.


Sure hope it's catching.
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Mark Twain Girl Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:10 PM
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3. I can get behind that.
It's got a good beat and you can dance to it. I give it a 95, Dick.

However, I've got a bad feeling we've got a "healing the nation" session coming on, as a way of avoiding all this. That give the most egregious message about corruption and cancerous abuse of power: that the wealthy and privileged can indeed get away with it.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 05:13 PM
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4. ANY successful (realistic) impeachment scenario
necessarily results in a Republicon incumbent president for 2008.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 07:06 PM
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5. Bush and Cheney are both guilty of most of the same crimes.
Simultaneous impeachment, while unprecedented, is not too far-fetched. That would give us President Pelosi.

Even if we just impeach Bush, and have a few months where Cheney finally admits he's the president, he won't be elected in 2008.

The one-at-a-time scenario, as you said, would put a possible contender in office, such as President McCain. But he'd be saddled with the baggage from the previous administration, and a LOT is going to come out.
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