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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 12:36 AM
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Hillary's Political Horror Story (the Iraq vote and what she could have known)
This focuses on Hillary because she said she would still vote the same way with the same information though it brings up that Dodd, Biden, and Edwards are only in slightly better shape since they also had access to the NIE that cast doubts on whether Saddam had WMD. The most damning line though is that then intel committee chair Bob Graham went as far as to have CIA director George Tenet declassify part of his behind closed door testimony and give it to the press, and he urged other Democratic senators to read the NIE that had the grave reservations about whether Saddam had WMD, but few bothered to read it before they voted.

As some one old enough to remember the Cold War but still younger than all the candidates, even if the only info on WMD they had was what we all heard on TV, they would know exactly what Tenet was forced to say in what he released to the press: even if Saddam had nukes, he would only use them as a last resort while being attacked. He may have been an evil man, but he was not retarded. He knew full well like every other world leader that if a nuke went off here and we had a return address (or even if we didn't) the country that launched or smuggled it would be burned off the map and we would still have plenty of nukes left to do the same to every other country on earth four or five times.

Everyone who voted for the war resolution is old enough to remember that, and if they pretend they thought Saddam was a threat, they are lying. They may be telling nicer lies than the Bushies, and may not step on our civil rights as badly if they become president, but if they lie about something so important, they are likely still susceptible to doing the real decision making behind closed doors and making up fairy tales to tell us in public so that democracy is as effectively neutered on foreign policy as it is under Bush.



posted June 1, 2007 (web only)

Hillary's Political Horror Story

Nicholas von Hoffman


Slowly, very slowly, Hillary Clinton's vote to invade Iraq is turning into a political horror story. It is the moldering hand of a murder victim coming out of the grave to grab her by the ankle.

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She may be concerned that a retraction will make her look weak. So her line of defense has been, "My vote was a sincere vote based on the facts and assurances that I had at the time." She says it over and over again.

The facts she had and the facts she could have had before she cast her vote for the war are two different things. We learn that from an article in The New York Times Magazine by Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr.

These two, who have made a career out of investigating Hillary, have dug up a couple of facts the Senator is going to have a hard time ignoring. The big fact is that she had access at the time to a highly classified report, the National Intelligence Estimate, which contained authoritative doubts that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Gerth and Van Natta have established that she did not read this report. Because it was classified, senators wishing to read it had to sign in, and Hillary did not. Although one of her Democratic colleagues, Bob Graham, then chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, urged Hillary and all the other Democratic senators to read it, few did. Graham, however, read the ninety-page document and was so shaken by the questionable evidence for the existence of WMDs that he voted against going to war.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070618/von_hoffman

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 12:43 AM
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1. And this is the fundamental weakness of a constitutional republic.
If senators don't bother to read even the gimped intel available to them.. either because they're too lazy, or they want plausible deniability if things go wrong as a result of the resolution they're voting for, or they just don't care that much, or they are voting for reasons that have nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with political posturing so they don't feel a need to know the petty details.. all those constitutional safeguards against foolish executive action come to naught. As in, zero.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 12:46 AM
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2. it's not even political posturing, it's money.
They would bite the heads off babies to prove to corporations that they will give unwavering obedience and are therefore worthy to be graced with their donations and later jobs as lobbyists, CEOs, and board members.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 12:46 AM
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3. interesting. the one thing I cannot get past with the vote is this
She had more information than any of the other senators from being First lady a very short time ago. 2 years.
how much can change in 2 years. and she knows about all this stuff like NIE, Classified reports and what the CIA is really saying. the cavates. She would know this more than the others and how this operates.
And why would she believe Bush? She knew about him.
It's just that 2 plus 2 do not add to 4
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 03:12 PM
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7. good point
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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 01:01 AM
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4. Read the Intel? These folks don't even read the bills they vote for...
All the candidates from the Senate face the same problem. But it's early, and some candidates may be able to position themselves better than others. The frontrunner today will be the answer to a trivia question tomorrow (or is it 'tommorrow'?). Sorry, handicapping the race at this point is a fools earrand...

The best I can do right now is pick a Top Three... And some of THEM are not declared. So...
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 01:05 AM
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5. the part of this that was new to me was the "hand from the grave" metaphor, which I think is apt
If that writer and me can see the trap here, how hard is it going to be for the GOP to turn this issue around?

But the real issue is what kind of democracy can we have when our elected representatives lie to our faces on such an important issue, and the best some of them can do is apologize for for getting caught?
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-05-07 06:19 AM
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6. If Hillary gets the nomination this story is GUARANTEED to be brought up in the general
It won't even be "swift boating" because it is factual!

Some Republican "committee for truth" will spill the beans. The Rep nominee won't have to even be involved. This will play to all the memes they want Americans to believe about Hillary.

It won't be called swift boating....more like swift voting!
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