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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:22 AM
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Chomsky As the Rest of the World Knows Him (Uprising Radio, via AlterNet)
Chomsky As the Rest of the World Knows Him

By Sonali Kolhatkar, Uprising Radio. Posted June 7, 2007.



Noam Chomsky speaks about the status of democracy in Iraq, U.S. imperialism over Latin America, and the media's shallow coverage of foreign affairs -- all topics explored in his latest book, Interventions.

Since 2002, the New York Times Syndicate has been distributing op-eds written by the pre-eminent foreign policy critic and scholar of our time, Noam Chomsky. The New York Times Syndicate is part of the same company as the New York Times newspaper, and while readers around the world have had a chance to regularly read Chomsky's articles, the New York Times newspaper has never published a single one. Only a few regional newspapers in the US have picked up the Op-eds, such as the Register Guard, the Dayton Daily News, and the Knoxville Voice. Internationally, the Op-eds have appeared in the mainstream British press including the International Herald Tribune, the Guardian, and the Independent. Now, City Lights Books has just published a complete collection of these 1000 word Op-eds in a single book called Interventions.

On June 1st, 2007, Noam Chomsky spoke with radio host Sonali Kolhatkar about his new book:

Kolhatkar: In your April 2004 op-ed entitled "Iraq: The Roots of Resistance," you describe the false pretext of democracy that the Bush administration used to justify its war and then in March 2005 you lauded the real success of the Iraqi elections in that the US had actually allowed them to take place. Now a few years later what is the status of real democracy in Iraq?

Chomsky: The elections of January 2005 were, as I probably wrote there in my view, a real triumph of non-violent resistance. The US was trying in every possible way to prevent elections and finally had to give in just because it could not face a mass, popular non-violent resistance, which was far more effective than the insurgency. So it allowed the elections to take place but immediately moved to subvert them. And that's the situation we're in. I mean, you can't really have a functioning democracy under military occupation. You can have some elements of it but not much. Military occupation is too harsh. I mean, it's hard enough to find a functioning democratic system in a country that deprived of Democratic elections. Paris system, for example, of military occupation, their system has extremely serious flaws and in Iraq, it's far harsher. The elections as they took place finally were, as many observers, have pointed out it was kind of a census more than an election. It was sectarian voting and the conflicts are by now so extreme that the political system is kind of a shadow.

Kolhatkar: So, when you talk about the elections themselves not necessarily being that meaningful, what about the aspirations of Iraqis and how do we here in the United States, who are against the war in Iraq, count on the democratic aspirations of the Iraqis? Increasingly, it seems as though Iraqis do not have much space to exercise their democratic rights.

Chomsky: They do not have space under a military occupation. I mean, if the United States was occupied by Iran, would we be able to run a democratic society? I mean, it's not a matter of counting on Iraqis. We have responsibilities to them and the responsibilities are clear.

The responsibilities are to, first of all, pay enormous reparations, not just for the war but for the murderous, sanctioned regime that preceded it and fatuous support for Saddam Hussein during the '80s. We have plenty of obligations in that regard. We have an obligation to hold the guilty here accountable for crimes, crime of aggression being the main one. And we have a responsibility to pay attention to the victims and it's not a secret what they want. .....(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/53257/

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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 07:47 AM
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1. Chomsky is a one note song - the US and any friend of the US is evil and owes others money as
Edited on Thu Jun-07-07 07:47 AM by papau
compensation for that evil at a minimum, and in the case of Israel, the debt owed can only be paid by suicide of the state. He stopped using logic and real political analysis in the early 70's - but the talks he's given that I've attended show a fellow quick on his feet with good stage instincts. I first met him when he came to MIT in the 60's - and he has an impressive mind that initially makes mere mortals like myself not challenge him.

I am surprise that the NYT has never published him - indeed I doubt that is totally true (much of what he has claimed over time has been only "limited truth" so as to advance his arguments - never a total lie, but one needs to look for oneself). Someone with Lexis should check that out - my memory is that he has been published many times as a letter to the editor, if not the NYT then some other major publications - but my memory is faulty these days - and a Lexis search would be useful.
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personman Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:53 AM
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2. We launch an aggressive war on Iraq and smash the place...
kill a lot of the citizens, destroy the infrastructure, and you don't think we owe them anything?

Sounds like someone is operating from "the presupposition that 'we own the world.'"

-personman
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 08:36 PM
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7. owe them anything? - WW2 and later a lot of countries owe others in that case - I don't see
the US sending Germany or Japan a bill - and I do not expect any country to dun any other country - Chomsky likes the topic - to me it is a non-starter.

A bit like saying the auto industry owes every American "X" dollars because they killed off the electric car - a thing that would have allowed me to breathe cleaner air during my life and thereby live longer.

I also do not think much of the USA's practice of paying you $2000 if we we killed your innocent mother in error in Iraq. Compensation is not the right response - IMHO.
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wurstie Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:46 PM
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8. Germany and Japan DID pay reparations....
the US sending Germany or Japan a bill - and I do not expect any country to dun any other country - Chomsky likes the topic - to me it is a non-starter.


Actually, both Germany and Japan had to pay reparations after World War II....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_reparations#World_War_II
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 07:40 AM
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9. John Maynard Keynes claimed that overall influence on the world economy would have been disastrous.
From your link - after unconditional surrender in World War II at the Potsdam conference held between July 17 and August 2, 1945, Germany was to pay the Allies US$20 billion mainly in machinery, manufacturing plants. Reparations to the Soviet Union stopped in 1953. (AND WE PAID THE LOSERS UNDER THE MARSHAL PLAN THAT REBUILT THE INDUSTRIAL BASE WITH BETTER FACTORIES THAN THE ONES WE TORE DOWN)

INdeed the "machinery, manufacturing plants" used as payment was -again according to your link: "the agreed upon policy of de-industrialisation and pastoralization of Germany" -which the Marshall Plan quickly saw the error of and reversed.

Perhaps the reparations were in the scientists we let into the US under the H1B visa's of the day and our ignoring patent law as to those folks in the losing countries- one fellow quoted at your link thought that was the case.

Or was it the "guest worker program of the day - the "forced labor" of approximately 4,000,000 German POW's and civilians were used as forced labor (under various headings, such as "reparations labor" or "enforced labor") in the Soviet Union, France, the UK, Belgium and in Germany in U.S run "Military Labor Service Units"?

Of course one could trade the "right" to reparations for better terms in accordance with bilateral agreements that could include payments.

IT IS INDEED GOOD TO WIN WARS -BUT WHERE IS THE RIGHT AND WRONG JUDGMENT BEING MADE WITH THE WRONG BEING RIGHTED BY MONEY IN THE ABOVE -CHOMSKY HAS AN IDEA THAT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE - PAY CASH TO RIGHT PREVIOUS WRONGS EVEN IF YOU HAVE NOT LOST A WAR.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 09:31 AM
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3. If you haven't seen "Manufacturing Consent"
do so. Chomsky is a smart guy and his criticisms of U.S. foreign ventures remain valid.
Part of the film "Manufacturing Consent" contains a clip of the debate between William F. Buckley and Chomsky on the Vietnam War. Now Buckley is a smart guy too, but Chomsky had him so rattled that Buckley abandoned reason and resorted to threats. Imperialism is imperialism, whether or not the nation is a democracy, republic or ruled by a despot.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:37 AM
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4. It's on my must-see list....
I'll get to it one of these days.
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personman Donating Member (959 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 01:54 PM
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5. I just happen to have a copy...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 02:30 PM
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6. Merci beaucoup...
:toast:
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