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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 03:22 PM
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Is Civilization Dying from Terminal Stupidity?
Is Civilization Dying from Terminal Stupidity?

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Homo sapiens have always been stupid. Maybe it's our reptilian ancestry; maybe it's criminal sloth; maybe it's our diet; maybe it's human (i.e., grasshopper) short sightedness; but if we're an example of an advanced species, then why is the history of the "human race" the history of irrationality incarnate? If advanced species have an IQ, we've got to be down there around 40.

Certainly, there are magnificent exceptions and moments, e.g., art, science, statesmanship, etc., but these (alas) are exceptions which prove the rule, since the legacy of our species is overwhelmingly cruelty, violence, war, and self destruction.

Limitless greed, for example, is necessarily grounded in infinite stupidity, such as the Texas corporate energy rape of Mother Nature which is killing the goose which lays the golden eggs. Is this hard to see? No, not unless you have defective synapses. Not unless polluting the Earth's air and water is "good business" (even though you're guaranteeing that all your customers are going to be sick or dead in the very foreseeable future).

George Bush is the quintessence of Homo sapien stupidity. And speaking of low IQ's, there’s the perennial planetary dead weight of religious fundamentalists (Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever). One would expect the EEG’s of Armageddon types who expect the Earth to go boom in the next week or two to be rather flat.

The thrust of the argument is that if we were a sane and rational species, we would have a sane and rational civilization (and we would be sane and rational stewards of planet Earth). If p, then q is the syllogism, and not q implies not p, e.g., if you're in Albuquerque, then you're in New Mexico; hence, if you're not in New Mexico, you're not in Albuquerque (don't worry about it George -- let a congressional aide explain it to you).

Point being, since we (in general) do NOT have a sane a rational civilization, we are NOT a sane a rational species.

A further implication is that violence and greed are symptoms of fundamental stupidity, since where rationality reigns, the "stupidity of evil" (shall we call it that?) is simply moot. It serves no purpose and has no payoff.

The heart breaking tragedy is that the stupidity of evil CAN be transcended, but it happens very, very rarely. In the big picture flow of human history, Homo duhians are the river and transcenders are the occasional rivulets.

Stupidity and money have also always danced a destructive dance, since Dictatorships of the Rich (i.e., basically every country on the planet – including us!) are ultimately "allowed" by their intellectually challenged populace. When 99% of a country is resigned to cleaning the commodes of the 1% Greek God like elites, this is surely absolute proof of nation wide stupidity.

"Politics" is an elaborate game invented by Greek God like elites to delude the 99% that they have some (any!) role in the national and international policies of that country. In America, that means our ONE party system (i.e., the Republican/Democratic Party), is the only game in town and they answer only to their pig, pig rich masters, i.e., Nazi pugs and diaper dems alike.

Historians do not extrapolate optimism from the march of stupidity-ruled civilizations and cultures.

We can only hope that the Internet may have significantly jumped our social IQ. Certainly, there is some hope to be found by comparing where we are now to where we were 3 or 4 years ago and surely most of that change comes from this electronic quantum jump in communication. Hopefully, this avalanche of raw communication is waking us up from consensus stupor at a rate never before seen in human history.
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W. Christopher Epler

<http://theliberationofrealism.blogspot.com/>
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 03:28 PM
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1. Good read, thanks for posting.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 04:22 PM
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2. A few things happen to civilizations over time
First, an attitude of "it's somebody else's job" takes over when people start feeling a little to safe and secure. People stop trying. They want to rest upon what they have and let somebody else do the struggling.

Second, a feeling of "everything we need has already been invented" destroys the incentive to learn and study and explore. The focus turns into admiring the glorious past rather than imagining a better future.

Third, a feeling of innate superiority takes over and anyone who doesn't agree with the hegemony finds himself at the wrong end of a war, something that eventually exhausts and bankrupts the great civilization.

All of these lead to stupidity leading a civilization and I see all at work in the US at present. It has happened to other civilizations before, it's probably just our turn to sink into stupidity and backwardness.

As other civilizations have gone through their crises and emerged wiser and more humane, so might we. Or Stupid could start a world war and finish us off.

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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 06:29 PM
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3. IMHO
Civilisation is the expression of the triumph of corporate good over short term
self gain. (or the perception of self gain)
De-civilisation is the opposite.
Civilisation has always been 10 steps forward and 9 steps back.
It comes down to individuals living the example that they want others to emulate.
Cheers
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-10-07 11:46 PM
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4. WHAT? Civilization is the triumph of corporate good?


You are aware that the corporation is an invention of capitalism and is only a couple of hundred years old maximum.

Enron was certainly an example of good deeds, right?

And Exxon-Mobile cares nothing about short term gain.

Whatever that stuff is that you're smoking, pass the doobie.
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 12:48 AM
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6. Corporate, as in all the people. Not just one. I did not use in the sense
of a business entity.
Sorry for the confusion.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 11:28 AM
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8. OK, I gotcha now. And believe it or not, I agree with you on that.
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 02:13 PM
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12. My automobile
refuse to run with exxon fuel,you too should stop buying their fuel.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 12:11 AM
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5. yes yes yes
No question whatsoever...
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 06:03 AM
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7. yep, it will be our undoing, IMO
with more than 5000 years of so-called "civilization" under our belt, we haven't learned much of anything. When I was younger, I had hope. Now, years later, I don't really have much hope at all for us being able to pull out of this self-destructive nose dive we've initiated.
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nealmhughes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 04:46 PM
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15. Actually more like 8-10K years of "civilization," wherein the definition is sedentary, agriculture
as base of food stuffs, and literacy, a stratified society, etc. Toss in writing and we're looking back about 8 to 10 thousand years, after 15 or so as "just Cro-Magnon". . . but damn, they made some fantastic paintings, without a written language, now didn't they?
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 04:52 PM
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17. what a wonderful observation
Yeah, pre language paintings and God are they beautiful! I think thought is internalized talking/language which we then equate with "realtiy" (the maya thought/forms), and as you so wonderfully point out, who needs language for creativity? A useful tool, obviously, but language is not now and never has been a mirror of truth.

Bill

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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 11:57 AM
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9. We were never a sane a rational species
We never lived in a Utopian society, where everyone was equal.

Human progress has been a slow painful process with lots of setbacks. We are far from a utopian dream, but we are better off now as a society as we ever were in the past.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 12:49 PM
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10. There are distinct advantages in making sure that humans
don't develop and exercise reasoning powers.
Check out the following on the "gods of eden":

http://www.serendipity.li/eden.html

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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 12:57 PM
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11. Does propaganda take advantage of people's stupidity or
does it help keep people stupid - or both?

http://www.hermes-press.com/brainwash1.htm

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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 04:37 PM
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14. I believe it's both, although,
I would substitute the word ignorance for stupidity.
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wcepler Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 05:19 PM
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19. tough call
I know what you mean. I go back and forth on this one. The Buddhists are kind and say the origin of suffering is adviata (ignorance -- or ignoring) from which comes trishna (craving). Release for Buddhism is not the consummation of craving, but the extinguishing of the "craver" (the "blowing out" of the flame of identity, i.e., nirvana). It's not that the dreamer finally "wakes up", but that something more real than the dreamer wakes up from the dreamer. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

Bill






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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 05:44 PM
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20. I think of it as a growth spurt.
Something along the lines of when I was a child, I played with childish things. I believe our society facilitates immaturity, it's constantly glamorized in one form or another on television or radio. This glamorization retards growth and development, and diminishes substance while exalting the trivial, or superficial, a dumbing down of the masses, if you will.

Before the selection of 2000, I believed this was an inherent necessary evil, just part of the package of capitalism, one had to accept.

Since then, I've come to the conclusion it's the equivalent of national Alzheimer's disease, it makes us forget who we are and where we came from.



Thank you for your reply,
Joe





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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 03:13 PM
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13. need a quantum leap in consciousness-current system is
in the death throes, the unraveling happening on all levels everywhere-outcome: just like in previous dying systems...who knows?
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 04:47 PM
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16. Quantum leaps in consciousness seem to be rare events.
If we can learn to ride this wild bull (the net), it is
possible that the freed up exchange of ideas will result
in a surge of consciousness.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 05:01 PM
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18. I believe the Internet when properly used facilitates synergy, thereby
creating a higher collective IQ, ever body has their own strengths and experiences, they can bring to the table.

It's exhilarating to be here and having spell check at my disposal makes me seem smarter than I am.:)
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Esra Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-11-07 06:18 PM
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21. "Everybody has their own strengths and experiences".
Absolutely true. Input informed by those strengths and experiences
is what will make the net the most valuable tool since the telephone.
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epppie Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:06 AM
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22. "Civilization" seems to turn a large number
into wicked brutes, fosters a few highly enlightened individuals, and infantilizes the rest.
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