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CrisisPapers Donating Member (271 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 08:55 AM
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Dems' Timidity May Cost Them Dearly in 2008
| Bernard Weiner |

We can and must agitate for their removal, but let's be real: Cheney and Bush are not likely to be hauled before a House impeachment panel anytime soon, and maybe not even before their terms expire in January 2009.

Yes, I know, they deserve to be impeached and tried in the Senate. If Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Chairman John Conyers truly believed in accountability and in the concept of nobody being above the law, an impeachment panel would already have begun its work. Or, at the very least, the idea of impeachment would be "on the table."

There certainly are enough "high crimes and misdemeanors" in the various CheneyBush scandals to justify such a move. In addition, both men have demonstrated "gross malfeasance" in endangering the United States by ignorantly and recklessly sticking a military poker into the hornet's nest that is Iraq and the Greater Middle East -- starting a war of choice based on lies and deceptions, with no Plan B to fall back on. As long as the U.S. stays in occupation, American troops will be swarmed and stung again and again, and more countries will be dragged into the angry hornet colony as well, the effect of which will be to further increase the growth of anti-U.S. terrorism.

To be sure, Democratic activists should continue to try to generate a public groundswell urging impeachment, but, as I say, it may not happen soon, or even ever. Let's talk about why that may be so, and what progressives can do in the interim.

DEMOCRATIC CONFUSION & TIMIDITY

The Democrats, who were out of Congressional control for nearly twelve years, are way behind the public curve on so many issues. As numerous polls have made clear, the voting public -- sick to death of this Administration's stupidity, incompetence, corruption and dangerous policy-making -- put the Dems back into power in Congress in November of 2006 precisely to take bold stands on the Iraq war, corruption, the shredding of Constitutional protections, etc.

But the Dems, seemingly confused and trapped by their elitist inside-the-beltway perspective, too often are behaving as if the midterm 2006 election never happened. No wonder public approval of the Democratic-led Congress has deteriorated so quickly.

The Democrats have the option, for example, of filibustering the Iraq war-funding bills -- 41 solid Senate filibusterers would put a monkeywrench into CheneyBush's disastrous war expansion. The Dems could take that route, but they don't. They are looking toward the 2008 presidential election, which they blithely assume they will win as the war and the GOP continue to implode; the Democrats -- still falling into the trap of accepting the way the GOP frames the hot-button issues -- do not want to risk being attacked from the right as being "unpatriotic" by "not supporting the troops."

And so the Democrats have become enablers of the CheneyBush war, with the blood of U.S. (and Iraqi) dead and wounded on their hands as well. They should be ashamed of themselves.

PROBLEMS IN EXTRICATING U.S. TROOPS

Underlying this timidity is the belief that they'll be able to extricate the main bulk of U.S. troops out of Iraq once a new, Democratic president takes office in 2009. Three problems with that scenario:

1. Even if one believes that the U.S. can hang on in Iraq through January 2009 -- not a sure thing, as the fiasco there grows more chaotic and catastrophic daily -- the situation on the ground at that point may be so far gone that no halfway-decent option is possible other than humiliating retreat, a la Vietnam in 1975. (Bush doesn't seem to care all that much about this scenario, as long as it doesn't happen on his watch.)

The options right now are awful, but at least one can envision the start of an orderly withdrawal process, perhaps even negotiated in some fashion with "insurgent" leaders. The domestic spin: Bush and/or the Congress can assert that the U.S. has done all that it can reasonably have been expected to do: toppled the dictator, helped establish a democratic government, poured billions into reconstruction. They can argue that the Iraqi government, and sectarian Iraqi society in general, have not been able to meet the benchmarks required, and so it's time for the U.S. to go.

2. All this assumes that CheneyBush want to get the U.S. out of Iraq. However, there is enough evidence to prove the contrary: The constant enlargement of the current escalation and preparations for sending tens of thousands of new troops there (many Reservists and National Guard members) in the Fall. The U.S. has completed the hardening of at least four major bases in Iraq, which suggests they're staying, not leaving. The U.S. is completing the construction of the world's largest embassy, in Baghdad's Green Zone, which likely indicates that America is in the Greater Middle East to stay. Then, too, there is Bush's bragging admission to some Texas friends that he's engineering the war so as to make it virtually impossible for a future President to leave Iraq.

3. The situation in Iraq, and elsewhere internationally, may be explosively different from the relatively "stable" situation that obtains now. Pakistan's pro-U.S. government may be no more. The Palestine-Israel struggle may be even more convoluted and bloody. Turkey may have launched a full-scale invasion of the Kurdish part of Iraq. Iraq may be totally enveloped in open civil war Iran's scientific facilities may have been bombed from the air by the U.S. and Israel. (The war-on-Iran hype-machine is running full time these days, fomented by Cheney, Rove and Lieberman, and aided by the corporate mass-media spinners. The betting is that the attack on Iran might well come in October, if not before.)

RUNNING OUT THE CLOCK

In the meantime, CheneyBushRove continue their in-your-face, bullying approach to Congress whenever it takes even little steps to rein in the Administration's overweening power. The object of the enterprise is to run out the clock on their second term without them getting impeached or tried criminally; to accomplish this, that triumvirate will just continue their tried-and-true M.O.: Grab what we want, do what we want, until someone stops us.

If Chairmen Conyers or Leahy or Waxman request and then subpoena documents, for example, the Bush Administration will continue to simply ignore them, or file endless appeals to the Bushevik-stacked appelate courts. Delay, delay, delay.

The Democratic response is to make a lot of noise in frustration but not to force real action and confrontation.

WAYS OF CONFRONTING BUSHEVIKS

The Democratic committees are slowly, in piecemeal fashion, going after various scandals and corruptions and terrible policies, but in no coordinated way and with no courage to simply confront the Executive Branch and thus bring our current Constitutional crisis to its head. (Perhaps a partial explanation for this timidity can be found in the Dems' suspicion that the U.S. Supreme Court -- which ultimately would rule on the Constitutional confrontation between the Legislative and Executive branches -- is now front-loaded with Bushista ideologues Alito, Roberts, Thomas, Scalia. So why risk it?)

But more likely, the Democrats, as they demonstrated when they were the minority in Congress and now as the majority party, simply don't know how to attack an administration that feels no compunction about lying, ignoring all the rules and traditions, and regularly acting above the law. The CheneyBushRove Administration is a kind of criminal conspiracy, which controls the Department of Justice and much of the court system, and they simply won't change their ways unless absolutely forced to. Impeachment is one of the few realities that might force them to.

Here are three possible scenarios for concentrated oppositional tactics:

1. ARREST THE LAW-BREAKERS

What would happen, for example, if when the subpoenaed documents demanded by the Legislative Branch are not produced by the due date, the Sergeant of Arms and the Capitol Police were to march up to the White House to demand them or have the officials who authored or control them face immediate arrest?

That would speed up the Constitutional showdown, with the courts forced to rule on this legal standoff ASAP.

If the status quo continues -- a one-day hearing here, a document requested there, still more stonewalling and lying -- the Roveian strategy of running out the clock until 2009 probably would work, and the possibility of impeachment prior to the end of their tenure would be virtually impossible.

2. FORCE GOP TO VOTE AGAINST APPLE PIE

Crisis Papers co-editor Ernest Partridge has come up a brilliant suggestion that would force the Republicans in Congress into an untenable position:

"Five months into its new term, the Congress now in control of the Democratic party has done essentially nothing to restore the rule of law and the supremacy of the Constitution. The initial decisive act leading to that end might be as simple as the passage of this two sentence resolution:

"'The Congress of the United States hereby affirms that the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States. Accordingly, any and all legislation and executive orders in violation of the Constitution are null and void'."

"The word 'affirms' is crucial, for it states that at no time was the Constitution legally 'in suspension,' and thus any legislation or acts by the Bush administration in violation thereof were at all times illegal and invalid. Accordingly, the word 'restoration' must be avoided in such a resolution.

"The Democrats should bring this resolution to a vote, and dare the Republicans to vote against it. The GOP would doubtless resist by calling it a 'meaningless political stunt,' and would struggle to prevent an open vote. But if it were to be brought to a vote, who would dare go on record with a denial that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land?

The point is that the Democrats, all of us, need to be more creative in figuring a way out of this mess, rather than simply relying on the tried-and-true ways of political interaction in Washington, D.C., which ways have at least partially brought us to this awful point.

3. FILE WRITS OF MANDAMUS

For instance, here's yet another inventive proposal, sent our way by Barbara G. Ellis of the progressive-activist Democracy for America chapter in Portland, Oregon:

Because the Congressional Democrats in the first half of the 110th Session have paid no attention to voters giving them a House majority and a mandate to end the Iraq occupation and the Bush administration - but all attention to Pelosi/Emanuel's frets about the 2008 election - a method exists to get their attention now, quickly, and easily that each impeachment group in all corners of this country can do.

It's to have a Writ of Mandamus arrive in each of their local offices on Monday, July 16, charging each with breaking their oath of office to support and defend the Constitution and permitting the Bush Administration to overthrow the Constitution and our democratic form of three branches of government. And failing to apply the stipulated remedy - impeachment - designed by the Framers to prevent these high crimes.

They can prevent a court finding them in contempt by: Signing on ASAP to co-sponsor Rep. Dennis Kucinich's HR 333 to impeach Cheney; 2) Authoring a bill to impeach both Bush and Cheney and dropping it into the hopper; Compelling Rep. John Conyers, as chair of the House Judiciary committee, to bring HR 333 to a committee vote and, thence, to the House floor for a vote.

Mandamus is a tactic that can be used as quickly on a spineless representative just as quickly as a group in her/his district can get an attorney to file this action in the federal court. A court may quash it, but in the last two years several favorable rulings have been issued in 6 states (Texas, among them, on Houston city corruption).

The thrust here, however, is more to get the rep's attention that they are complicit in destroying the Constitution. If the courts grant mandamus, it's a big bonus. If Karl Rove terrifies them and the thoughts of losing big campaign funds terrifies them even more, let's terrify them with this 700-year-old (Edward II, 1311 AD) court order compelling public officials to do their sworn duties. (For more info on how to file the writ, write us here and we'll pass on your inquiries to the Oregon DFA chapter, whose website is not yet activated.)

DEMS NEED TO FEEL THE HEAT, TOO

But what to do if the Democrats continue their scaredy-cat ways, being unwilling to frontally attack the Bushista forces, and thus wind up permitting, enabling, the worst of the CheneyBush policies to continue? More soldiers and civilians lost, more billions wasted, more elections stolen, more corruption encouraged, more degradation of the culture, more political illegalities inside the Administration, more wars of aggression, etc. etc.?

The Republicans in Congress are feeling the electoral heat, more than a year ahead of the November 2008 election, trying desperately to walk the fine line of supporting their party leader (Bush) at the same time they distance themselves from his most egregious policies, the major one being the war in Iraq. Maybe it's time the Democrats started to feel the electoral heat as well.

The liberal/progressive base of the party could make it plain to wavering, wimpy Democratic legislators that support for their re-election is not automatic, and that they might face determined opposition candidates in the primaries (see: Lamont, Ned). Indeed, if they don't change and act like a true opposition party should, they will face loss of financial support from the base, and a distinct shortage of volunteers walking precincts and making phone calls before the election, etc.

Or, an even more radical consequence might be a mass desertion from the Democratic Party in the presidential election, and support for a courageous third-party candidate. Who that might be is unclear. In addition to Ralph Nader, who would enjoy virtually nil support among Democrats, the names I've heard fantasized about include Bill Moyers, Chuck Hagel, Dennis Kucinich, Mike Gravel. Any others?)

IT'S TIME FOR SERIOUS ACTION

Summing up: The Democrats, continuing their fearful, snail's pace politics-as-usual, are playing into the hands of the CheneyBush Administration and their GOP lackeys (and that includes Lieberman) in Congress. The public presented the Democrats a mandate on a silver platter last November, and they need to act forthrightly from it.

The Democrats need to become a true party of opposition and use their power to end the war, stop the corruption, repair the voting system, and restore America's justice system and reputation abroad.

As Yoda said, no more talk - do!

-- BW
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:05 AM
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1. another reason for timidity: Dems are really two parties: progressive and Chamber of Commerce
the Chamber Democrats may be progressive on social issues, but when push comes to shove in a conflict between regular people and big money, the Chamber Dems always dance with them what brung 'em, the withered old man in the stretch limo.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:06 AM
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2. BS...our Dems are doing the best they can...yeah, could do it a lot better to some of us
But overall, they are doing what they were elected to do....contend with the Pub Mess and make things better.

Dividing the Democrats is not a way Forward.....
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Sonicmedusa Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:09 AM
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3. Neither is giving them a free pass
Just saying.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 01:15 PM
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16. No one is giving them a free pass...they should be given a reasonable amount of time to pull off
the transition from EVIL GOP POLICIES/Laws/Codes/etc to that of an altruistic/benevolent/ form of self governance
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:38 AM
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25. Now there's a campaign slogan

Vote Democrat

It's not like we aren't trying



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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 10:48 AM
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29. Excellent.
:rofl:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:12 AM
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4. Rec'd. Dems had better WAKE UP! nt
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:16 AM
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5. Wonderfully put!
This is exactly where we need to be going.

:applause:
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:53 AM
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6. Hey everyone is entitled to there opinion.
I just have to say I am so tired of reading so many negative posts on DU about our Democrats in Congress. Show me the votes or show me your guns. I mean seriously what else can we expect them to do? Do you want them to take up arms and overthrow the Bush Administration. Sorry but I'd rather let our democracy work itself out Democratically. The republics are going to march lock step with there emperor right off the cliff. With no super majority we do not have the votes as of yet to end this war. Until republicans realize that it is really there asses on the line this next election their is not much we can do. The cracks are already forming.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:01 AM
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7. Your democracy is on life support.
And it's going to die an agonizing death soon unless drastic action is taken.

Democratic action is holding our party's feet to the fire when needed. I've got a repuke congressman, but I'm going to work with an attorney to file a writ of mandamus on several of them.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:01 AM
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8. I love this!
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 10:02 AM by librechik
the resolution to support the Constitution as the law of the land!

everybody tell everybody, esp your congress critters!
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:03 AM
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9. I love this idea!
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 10:07 AM by mnhtnbb
"'The Congress of the United States hereby affirms that the Constitution is the supreme law of the United States. Accordingly, any and all legislation and executive orders in violation of the Constitution are null and void'."

Stick it in Bush's face--and his loaded Supreme Court--where he will surely
run for validation that he's 'the decider'. It's not 'just a piece of paper,'
you a$$hole.

And then let the games begin.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:11 AM
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10. I like that idea. I would be even happier with
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 10:28 AM by LibDemAlways
a resolution that also reaffirmed impeachment and trial as the solution when the executive commits "high crimes and misdemeanors." It's a double-edged sword. Bush has surely ignored the Constitution (among other impeachable offenses) and as such it is the duty of Congress to begin impeachment procedings against him.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 10:12 AM
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11. Yeah, this in particular is truly inspired.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:19 AM
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12. How do I get on the list for details for filing a writ?
You don't accept PM's.

Send me one. I just talked to some activists and attorneys in Florida, and they love the idea.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 12:42 PM
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14. Yes....do you just need one organization to file it? Or does it need to
be a concerted effort. Sounds interesting.
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Bernard Weiner Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 04:20 PM
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21. Bernard Weiner on Writs of Mandamus Info
To all those interested in learning more about this ingenious proposal, send me a message (crisispapers@comcast.net), and I'll forward your query and email address to the DFA person in charge, who will contact you. (She doesn't want her email address on the internet and the website is not up and running yet.) Thanks for writing. -- Bernard Weiner, Co-Editor, The Crisis Papers (www.crisispapers.org)
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 11:34 AM
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13. Let's Get US Some Writs of Manadmus!
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 11:35 AM by Demeter
At this point, I'd even go Godiva, if it got Congress out of neutral.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 03:57 PM
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20. LOL. Now there's an idea -- in my case
SCARE 'em to death (with the Godiva routine).

I too love the Mandamus route.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 01:11 PM
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15. These arguments are compelling, and the suggestions quite creative, if you assume that
the main portion of the Democratic Party leadership in Congress...

--wanted a majority.

--want to end the war.

--care a fuck what the American people think (any more than the Bushites do).

--weren't mostly (s)elected by Diebold/ES&S "trade secret" vote counting.

--hadn't fully supported (to this day) rightwing Bushite corporations "counting" all our votes with "trade secret," proprietary programming code.

I think Diebold/ES&S secret code is how we ended up with 70% of the American people opposed to the war and wanting it ended, and Congress instead ESCALATING the war and larding another $100 billion into Dick Cheney's retirement fund.

It's how we got "impeachment is off the table" cuz "gee, we don't have enough votes."

We really, really need to face the reality of the "military-industrial complex" coup de etat in 2004. When you look at the history of it, you see that the "Help America Vote for Bush Act" (non-transparent electronic voting controlled by Bush/Cheney campaign chair and major fundraiser, Wally O'Dell, CEO of Diebold, and far rightwing-funded ES&S, its brethren corporation) was passed by the Anthrax Congress in the same month--October 2002--as the Iraq War Resolution, and is closely related to it. Even more interesting, "HAVBA" pulled way more Democratic Congressional votes than the IWR. Are they nuts? No. Fascist/corporate/war profiteer colluders with Bushites? Yup. Too many of them. Way too many.

At that point, or shortly afterward (Feb. '03), 56% of the American people opposed the Iraq War--no doubt because the Vietnam War and its bitter lessons remain in living memory. That 56% majority, that would be a landslide in a presidential election, has now grown at an overwhelming 70%. It was to defeat that great peace-minded, justice-minded American majority that non-transparent vote "counting" was needed.

Democrat Christopher Dodd helped Tom Delay and Bob Ney (biggest crooks in the Anthrax Congress) to engineer it. With funds needed for the impending war--and lacking due to multiple tax cuts for the rich and the corporate--they bled $3.9 billion off into the pockets of Diebold and ES&S's executives, for a complete overall of the U.S. voting system, aimed at total non-transparency, and at centralized presidential control of the secret code. Terry McAuliffe and other DLC operatives helped keep it under the radar of the American people. I had someone--an otherwise intelligent person--say to me, after I explained who was "counting" our votes with "trade secret" code: "But the Democrats wouldn't let that happen, would they?" The issue is not "would they?", the issue is they DID, and they hid behind that "would they?"--our inability to believe that our party leadership would betray us so completely, so irredeemably.

They did. They voted for it overwhelmingly--with our party leaders even more enthusiastic for the end of U.S. democracy, than they were for the war--and they continue to support it, and furthermore to keep it in a "black hole," largely out of public view. The failure of this "Democratic" Congress to immediately undo this criminal legislation--HAVA (aka HAVBA)--and restore 100% transparent vote counting is the red flag. It is, and should be, a non-partisan issue, that 92% of the American people want (Zogby poll). They want vote counting that everyone can see and understand. It would not be hard to defeat the Republicans on this (if they are foolish enough to openly advocate non-transparent vote counting).

Congress has instead delayed and delayed, proposed bandaid measures, failed to pass even those (such as a required "paper trail") thus far, has failed to do anything about the ES&S FL-13 stolen election (--a very egregious one), and thus the 2008 primaries and general election will be largely non-transparent, and still controlled by rightwing corporations and their secret code.

We can try all kinds of creative tactics to move these basically anti-democratic legislators (about half of the Democrats and, of course, all of the Republicans), but we will be frustrated--and perhaps become a more and more demoralized population--if we don't address the root of our difficulties: non-transparent vote counting. It needs to be Priority No. 1. And it the best venue for changing it is local/state, where ordinary people still have some influence. It may be a long and difficult road. It is a must-do.

"Trade secret" vote counting is not the only problem with our vastly corrupt election system. But it is the coup de grace--the final blockade to all reform. It makes change IMPOSSIBLE. We, as a people, can overcome the fascists on campaign funding (or at least match them). We can overcome 24/7 warmongering and fascism on TV/radio. We way outnumber the fascists. We can register more people to vote (--we outdid the Bushites, 60/40, in 2004, on new registrations!). We can monitor the polls to prevent voter intimidation and obvious vote suppression shenanigans. But we cannot overcome the "secret" code in these extremely insider hackable voting systems. We've got to get rid of these machines, or find a way to get around them (--such as demanding a paper ballot for every vote, and a minimum 10% handcount and posting of the results BEFORE any electronics are used. Preferred, 100%. But 10% would catch fraud.)

Transparent vote counting is the most fundamental condition of democracy. We must restore it, or our democracy is over.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 02:10 PM
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17. "Democrats have become enablers..."
Edited on Tue Jun-19-07 02:13 PM by depakid
And NOT just of the war.

The Dem "leadership" is deluding themselves if they think the public doesn't see that....
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 03:55 PM
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19. Which is precisely why Congress's ratings are in the toilet --
exactly where they should be given their non-performance.
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New Era Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 03:35 PM
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18. There have been...
10 Presidents who have impeachment charges brought against them, all of them from the opposing political party, naturally. And in every case, that opposing party has captured the presidency. I think we can not afford to not push impeachment forward.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 07:01 PM
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22. The Dem leadership is waiting until they control congress and the White House.


The only problem with that is that they may NOT control the White House after the 2008 election. I'm not saying that the repugs will win the election. But the elephant in the room is Micheal Bloomberg who today switched his party affiliation to unaffiliated, while saying that he thinks the country is ready for an independent president - one who can govern uncontrolled by the current parties.

This guy could literally put a billion dollars of his own money into a campaign and not feel the loss. And a billion dollar campaign, considering that money buys elections, would win the election. That would put the Democrats behind the eight ball controlling congress but not the White House.

I have the feeling that Bloomberg is waiting to see if the Democrats can stand up and put an end to the BushCheneyRove criminal conspiracy before deciding to run.

Personally I'd like to propose my own agenda. One intended to return America to the land that it had been intended to be. I propose several actions to be enacted by a Democratic majority and President:

1. The Justice department has been so politicized that it must be taken back. This can begin with the impeachment of Gonzo. I believe that this is now politically possible, given the fact that he is so damaged in the eyes of everyone except Bush, including most congressional repugs.

2. I believe that the impeachment of Gonzo would break the reluctance of the Dem leadership to bring charges against BushCheneyRove, and could lead to impeachment of the administration.

3. Whether or not they are to face impeachment charges, the leaders of this administration and the neocon conspiracy MUST be indicted and tried criminally to face charges ranging from lying to congress to treason. A huge majority of American believe Bush lied us into a war. Most would support this action. I think most Americans could not show our faces to the world unless these criminals were placed on the scales of justice. It should be remembered that former holders of political office are protected by their office for acts done as officeholder. However, it is also true that they are liable for criminal acts done in office. They are not protected from acts that are not authorized as part of the office. Therefor, all of the administration leaders and the neocons could and should face charges after they leave office.

4. It is imperative that our media be returned to our control. A Dem president and congress should immediately reinstate the Fairness Doctrine.

5. Who could not argue that our government is now in the hands of the corporations and moneyed elite? There are several things that could break this control. First and most important, institute public financing of all federal elections. Second, congress must repudiate the concept of 'Corporate Personhood'. It was never placed into law by congress and never stated by the Supreme Court. And third, reinstate the corporate Death Penalty. By this I mean that there was a time in this country when, if a corporation acted against the interest of the public, it could lose its charter, thereby killing the corporation. Also, make management responsible for it's actions. For example, if a drug company released to the public a drug that resulted in the death of patients, and the management knew that tests showed this probability, management should face charges of at least manslaughter. Make them accountable.

Well, that's my agenda, mostly possible but some just pipedreams. What's your agenda?



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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 07:41 PM
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23. This is why I joined DU ,writing by Dr. Weiner!
A true Patriot! Thank You!
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-19-07 09:11 PM
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24. K&R n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 05:49 AM
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26. There's gotta be at least one attorney in SF who can file a writ against Pelosi
Hell, 2/3rds of San Fran residents are lawyers. We should be able to find one or two who don't blindly support Madam Speaker.

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JPettus Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 06:13 AM
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27. I have to disagree
Edited on Wed Jun-20-07 06:18 AM by JPettus
You wrote:


"The Democrats, who were out of Congressional control for nearly twelve years, are way behind the public curve on so many issues. As numerous polls have made clear, the voting public -- sick to death of this Administration's stupidity, incompetence, corruption and dangerous policy-making -- put the Dems back into power in Congress in November of 2006 precisely to take bold stands on the Iraq war, corruption, the shredding of Constitutional protections, etc."

I disagree. I, and most of the people I talk to, saw the 2006 elections as a statement on Iraq only. Certainly exposing Republican corruption helped, as it highlighted for many so-called "values voters" that they may think they like a candidate but can't abide by his/her lack of ethics.

But, the majority of the voters who went to the polls and voted for Democrats rather than Republicans had Iraq, first and foremost in their heads.

Of Republicans polled, still over 70% support Bush. I doubt seriously if you could get a poll showing that 80% of the public wanted Bush out of office. Most people are only vaguely aware of the numerous crimes the Bush Administration has pulled against the Constitution, if that. I think a strong argument could be made that most people are apolitical and don't follow such issues at all. Only us hardcore political junkies really care about them, and with the corporate-owned broadcast and major media either ignoring the stories or spinning them away from the truth, most people aren't going to care.

But Iraq is huge. The cost, in both dollars and lives, is reaching out to touch people more and more every day, and if anyone thinks that the midterms were about anything other than Iraq, they may want to re-look that viewpoint and see it through the eyes of the uninitiated, uncaring, apolitical majority.

You aren't going to get impeachment. It's not going to happen. With over 70% of Republicans still supporting Bush (and that's the only reason his approval rating isn't in single digits) there are not enough votes to remove him from office. And you can't force the corporate owned media to tell the story the way you want it told.

Rather, you would see support for the Dems erode as the impeachment process went on. People want us out of Iraq but it's unclear if they want us out of Iraq bad enough to remove Bush, Cheney, Gonzo and Wolfowitz from any public office in the process. And I doubt you could get the votes if you had video showing Bush killing Teddy Kennedy on the floor of the Senate with an illegal assault rifle while simultaneously sexually molesting a ten year old boy scout.

The people who are bitching at the Dems are primarily the ones who are screaming for impeachment. They are a relative minority of those who voted Democratic in the midterms. The rest understand, I think, that the Dems had limited ability to stop the Iraq war once it started anyway, as Bush as Commander-in-Chief has the power to keep them in Iraq even if funding is pulled, and funding is the only weapon that Congress has now. Bush would simply pull money from other programs (vets, social security, medicare, funding for the weakest among American society). His willingness to take money from Afghanistan to plan Iraq's invasion without congressional approval already shows that he's renegade enough not to care and if you impeach him for that, he can claim he's just trying to take care of the troops (when everyone knows that taking care of the troops should mean bringing them home.)

In the days of Nixon, there was a press corps that salivated at the prospect of finding such a big story and exposing it. Today, while a reporter may want to pursue something like that, he knows that his editors will oppose him/her, that the publishers will squash it to avoid losing advertising dollars and money rules the roost.

You want to change things? You change things by having control of the White House, the House, the Senate and a good portion of the mainstream media. You want to beat up the Dems because they wasted their one good shot at stopping the Iraq war and put it on hold for another three months, that's fine. You want to beat up the Dems for spending like Republicans, or not being honest about earmarks, go right ahead. But if you want to beat up on them because they don't pursue investigations that lead directly to impeachment, you are doomed to failure. The media won't cover it, or will spin it against you, the people will lose respect for you and in the big election next year you will find you lose votes just like the Republicans did when they attempted to impeach Clinton.

The populace sees impeachment as a political tool now, thanks to the GOP, and wielding it right back to them will look like payback for Clinton.

Solve the problem of Iraq, talk about making the economy better, raising wages, get our agenda on the front pages and show the Republicans taking the unpopular positions of giving themselves raises after the last election but refusing to raise the minimum wage. Hit them on Stem Cell research. Show their talking heads up to be blowhards and make fun of them. And isolate conservatism as an extreme position whose primary philosophy is "Screw you, I got mine!"

You win everything, you can make real changes.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-20-07 06:49 AM
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28. They have the same problem
Al Gore had in 2000. They buy into the Republican dogma. But with Republicans controlling the major media outlets, it's difficult to get out the message through the din of corporate propaganda.
Al Gore committed political suicide when he created distance from Bill Clinton by picking the ersatz Democrat Josef Liebermann as his VP running mate. Did Gore really believe Clinton's private affairs would drag down his campaign? The only people who wouldn't vote for him because of such trivia wouldn't vote for him anyway. Democrats have to stop worrying what the Republican corporate media will say about them. No matter what position a Democrat takes, the Republican corporate media will turn it into a negative.
The Bush/Cheney cartel has committed crimes against humanity and the Republican corporate media just stands there silent with their thumbs up their collective asses. Now if there was only a stained blue dress.
I will now resort to cliches: The only things you find in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead armadillos. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
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