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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:53 AM
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Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8710

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss
by Ed Kociela | Jul 14 2007


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The American public deserves better than you, Clinton, Edwards and the others who would tell us what we should or shouldn't question, express or desire.

It's the same thing we heard from Ronald Reagan, Bush 41, Bill Clinton and Bush 43.

We're not safer, as a new intelligence report indicates; we're not richer, with an economy that has gone upside-down on the middle class; we're not freer, with a White House institution that has for a quarter of a century now done its best to inhibit the free speech and liberties this country was founded upon.

Yet, we're in line for more of the same as the Democratic Party frontrunners indicate with their whisperings that slipped out thanks to an open microphone.

So, if you're willing to elect "Anybody But..." go ahead and slap that Clinton or Edwards bumper sticker on your car.

But, remember, you'll get what you deserve, another self-serving, ham-fisted, arrogant poseur who really doesn't have an open mind, ear or heart to what the people of this country and the world not only want but need.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:19 AM
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1. I swear I am getting to the point where I wish the WHO had never written that song.
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 11:30 AM by emulatorloo
I don;t have a lot of use for either Clinton or Edwards quite frankly

But Clinton or Edwards will be MAGNITUDES better than any asshole republican we will get.

Haven't we learned this lesson yet?

Neither of them will nominate the kind of creeps to the Supreme Court Bush has given us.

Neither of them will appoint a CONDI "dumbass" Rice as sec of state. Wouldn't you rather have Madeline Albright?

Neither of them will screw over a poor population as Bush did the victims of Katrina.

It is time cut this "they are all the same" demoralizing BULLSHIT.

All it accomplishes is demoralizing potential dem voters and allowing Republicans to win.

JMHO offer not valid in all 50 states.



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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:14 PM
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2. All of the Dems are:
Pro Choice
Pro stem sell research
Pro Universal health care
...and that's just a start...
NO they are NOT the same as the Repugs...
as the poster before me stated, didn't we learn anything?????
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:16 PM
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3. another thing....would a Dem have responded to Katrina the way
the Repugs. did? I think not.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 12:33 PM
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4. BUT, BUT, they don't agree with me on my pet issue so they must be fascist scum!!!
Edited on Sat Jul-14-07 12:34 PM by Odin2005
:sarcasm:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 10:51 PM
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12. Minor corrrection:
Only ONE Democratic candidate is for REAL Universal HealthCare (single payer).
The rest of the field have proposed complex programs that mostly benefit the CEOs of the "For Profit" Health Insurance and HMOs which will be subsidized with taxpayer money. :thumbsdown:

Mandatory Health Insurance is not really Universal HealthCare.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 11:07 AM
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14. Not quite correct ...
Kucinich is for nonprofit universal Healthcare; all the rest are for profitable universal Sick care.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 01:53 PM
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5. Then why did Clinton support the Bankruptcy bill?


Before she was elected to the senate she opposed it. Then as a senator with so many banking lobby contributors she supported it. But when push came to shove she was absent when the vote was taken so she couldn't be accused by either side.

We, as voters must learn that as long as we allow candidates to beg for bribe money from the corporations, we will get nothing but corporate lapdogs for congress critters. Human nature has not changed for millenniums. Remember what Will Rogers (?) said: "An honest politician is one who stays bought." Ours resell themselves every election cycle.

There is only ONE way to change the system so it's more responsive to the voter: Public financing of elections. No change will EVER be possible until we take the profit motive out of elections.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 11:30 PM
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13. she didn't support the 2005 Bankruptcy Bill
She wasn't absent so she "couldn't be accused by either side". She was absent because she was in the hospital with her husband who was undergoing heart surgury.

Her statement at the time makes it clear that she would have voted against it.

Speaker: Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY)
Title: Statement of Senator Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill
Date: 2005-03-10
Location: Washington, DC
Speech

Statement of Senator Clinton on the Bankruptcy Bill

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton issued the following statement in response to the passage in the Senate of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005:

"Our bankruptcy law was created out of recognition that the world is a competitive, unforgiving place, and sometimes bad things happen to decent, hardworking people. Our bankruptcy code has always recognized that America is stronger when, rather than burying responsible citizens in insurmountable piles of debt, we give them the opportunity for a fresh start, and allow them a second chance to be contributing members of our economy. Unfortunately, this bankruptcy bill places a thumb on the scales of justice against Americans who have done nothing wrong and who are simply the victims of a difficult economy or bad luck.

Nowhere is this bill more flawed than in its failure to recognize the devastating and growing problem of medical bankruptcy. I was unable to cast my vote on this bill because of a medical situation in my own family. For me, this makes the Senate's failure to recognize the crisis of medical bankruptcy even more striking. Fortunately, my family is well-insured, and we are not in danger of losing that coverage. I am deeply aware and profoundly grateful for the good fortune we enjoy in having access to quality medical care in the face of significant medical needs. But many American families are not so lucky.

I have long been concerned about the burdens placed on America's families by a lack of health insurance and by rising healthcare costs. In this bill, the Senate had an opportunity to take one important step to help citizens driven to the point of bankruptcy by unavoidable medical problems. Instead, the Senate rejected this opportunity to lighten the load on Americans dealing with the twin blows of medical and financial difficulties.

This legislation also fails to take into account the significant changes that have taken place in our national economy and in the lives of millions of American families since the Senate last considered it in 2001. Job loss, stagnant wages, cancelled pension plans and declining health benefits have plagued our country over the past four years and this bill simply doesn't keep up with the changing times. While many in the Democratic minority tried to offer amendments to address many of these changed circumstances, each one was rejected by the Republican majority. The fact that the majority refused to even address the needs of our troops in the context of this legislation is deeply disturbing.

Offering the amendments was the right thing to do, rejecting them out of hand was simply wrong. These amendments were not about removing personal responsibility, but about being fair and just. This legislation is anything but fair or just.

I believe that this legislation, with more careful and good-faith consideration, could have been a vehicle in which we could have thoughtfully addressed abuses in the bankruptcy process by consumers and corporations. It could have been a step forward to make sure that both large corporations and individual citizens are held to the same standards of responsibility and accountability. Unfortunately, it's not where this bill ended up. And that's a shame for all of us who want to see a bankruptcy system that promotes personal responsibility and upholds our American value of pulling one's self up by the bootstraps.

http://clinton.senate.gov/...
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Nimrod2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:37 PM
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8. Obama
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 03:35 PM
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6. Whhops, thought this was a Springsteen/BonJovi thread, my bad...
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 04:12 PM
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7. They are actors in a play
The Dem candidates say what they think the people who vote for them want to hear while repubs do the same for their fans. When they get the job, the country still moves farther and farther to the right and towards fascism. The real bosses are the corps and bankers who bribe(I mean fund)them.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:54 PM
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10. Watch CSPAN-- Dems put forth decent legislation, REPUGS put forth TALKING POINTS
EOM
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 05:16 PM
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15. Dems passed NAFTA and both Patriot Acts
Even though repubs put out that legislation, they still voted for it. With few exceptions. The legislation they are putting out now is just window dressing to make themselves look good for the media and public all the while knowing it'll get shot down again with very few exceptions.

I do watch CSPAN and it's mostly pomp and circumstance.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:05 PM
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16. that's yesterdays news -- I am talking about today EOM
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-15-07 07:24 PM
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17. Today they just blow smoke about Iraq and Impeachment
The only good legislation to come out of this Congress was the minimum wage bill. The rest was only more smoke and mirrors. It's why Congressional approval is the same as Bush's.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 07:45 PM
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9. we need Ralph Nader to work his magic again
:eyes:
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-14-07 09:21 PM
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11. yeah I hate that Ralph allows those private computerized voting machines and I'm
glad that all the Dem candidates have called to get rid of them....


Oh, yeah

Never mind...


Just a question Enrique. Doesn't it seem kind of odd to you that the Dems aren't calling to get rid of the machines? I think it's bizarre. I can't figure out why they don't.
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