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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:36 PM
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Obama: Is He Really the Man to Support?
Currently, Barack Obama is at the top of national polls in the media and according to those polls and the media, the only threat to Obama is Hillary Clinton. An article on Associated Content titled, “Barack Obama Increases Grassroots Campaigning”, details how Obama is mobilizing “foot soldiers” as “thousands of young men and women are flocking into basements” to support him. A Salon.com article has even suggested he has a "Republican edge", which translates into the idea that people are now believing he could be a bipartisan president. In fact, when he appeared on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart as he was about to shake hands and leave, Jon Stewart casually wished him luck in curing the polarization that has deeply affected American politics.

But are the perceptions being thrown around between bloggers, supporters of Obama, and media outlets correct? Is he really as great as they make him sound?

On Foreign Policy

In the recent weeks, his foreign policy has come into the limelight and become a focus of this election. His foreign policy was something all Democratic candidates were asked to address on Aug. 19th during a debate in Iowa. Obama has made various statements and has even defended himself against Hillary Clinton as the media magnifies the subtle differences between him and Hillary while excluding all other candidates as viable possibilities for the White House. In regards to Pakistan:

"I find it amusing that those who helped to authorize and engineer the biggest foreign policy disaster in our generation are now criticizing me for making sure that we are on the right battlefield and not the wrong battlefield in the war against terrorism," he said.

"If we have actionable intelligence on al Qaeda operatives, including bin Laden, and President Musharraf cannot act, then we should," Obama said. "That's just common sense."


Ignoring the idea that we do not need to be on any battlefield right now and should instead pull back and regroup, Obama did in fact in this statement state that a cornerstone of his foreign policy would be invading countries that do not stand up to al-Qaeda. For a majority of Americans who believe diplomacy is an answer to the problems our unilateralism have created, it is not good that he is so popular. However, a comment on Obama's blog reads:

Also, a stunning history lesson on the Daily Show of US involvement in arming extremist regimes in the part of the country where we are now in quagmires. I thought it was exceptional and set the stage for Barack's appearance.


Yet, with Barack going after Pakistan, whose to say that he won't have American troops in another quagmire? And whose to say that he won't continue to have us bogged down in Iraq in our current quagmire?

“If we put 30,000 additional troops into Baghdad, it will quell some of the violence short term.” But then he added, "All of our top military commanders recognize that there is no military solution in Iraq,” and “one reason to stop fighting the wrong war is so that we can fight the right war against terrorism and extremism.” <<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,294330,00.html"></a>a>>


Here he is entertaining the notion that we could add more troops before telling the veterans that we need to bring troops home, which is what the majority of Democrats want. Is he pandering to the few Republicans who still want to "stay the course"? He does go on to say that Iraq has no military solution. But exactly what is he talking about when he says "fight the right war against terrorism and extremism"? Does this have anything to do with invading Iran? Does he have plans for more wars for oil?

"It is no longer sufficient for us to trot out the old formulas, the old tired phrases," Obama said at a rally on Thursday. "If we want fundamental change, then we can't be afraid to talk to our enemies."
"I'm not going to avoid them, I'm not going to hide behind a bunch of rhetoric. I don't want a continuation of Bush-Cheney; I don't want Bush-Cheney light," he added.


Obama has utilized ad hominem attacks as often as possible. It seems like he may be another Kerry. Without being able to give a solution to the problems we face but with the ability to state clearly that Bush and Cheney are people who often make poor judgments, it appears that he may be trying to get us all to pick the lesser of two evils. Hopefully, people don't realize picking the lesser of two evils is still picking evil because if they do, he may lose their support.

On Health Care

Obama in his campaign has advocated universal health care for all. But that's nothing new and innovative. Anyone with experience in politics can tell you people have been advocating universal health care for years. But Obama and others seem to be hoping conventional wisdom prevails. Obama seems to be thinking the popularity of Sicko will transfer into support for his immodest reform. To be specific, <i>Sicko</i> didn't advocate universal health care but a universal health care single-payer, not-for-profit system that would remove the health insurance companies from inflating the costs of health care. And to be specific, Obama has never advocated what Sicko made a brilliant case for.

Obama stated in this Newsday article:

"To help pay for this, we will ask all but the smallest businesses who don't make a meaningful contribution to the health coverage of their workers to do so to support this plan," said Obama. "And we also will repeal the temporary Bush tax cut for the wealthiest taxpayers." ...

...""That is not who we are. We are not a country that rewards hard work and perseverance with bankruptcies and foreclosures," said Obama. "We are not a country that allows major challenges to go unsolved and unaddressed while our people suffer needlessly."


But, Obama, we are. "Rewards" may not be the best word for it, but we are a country that allows more and more Americans to sink instead of swim every day. And I highly doubt that, although I support a repeal of Bush's tax cuts, that repealing the cuts will solve our nation's health care woes.

This can't be the best thing Barack has to offer on health care. If it is, that's just not enough to warrant any support of his health care plan. Because unfortunately, if Americans support what he has laid out as the solution, America will again "allow major challenges to go unsolved and unaddressed." Even his supporters get this.

On Trade

Obama is especially weak on trade. He has gotten off scot-free thus far because the media has not taken him to task on it. If you visit his website, you will find it hard to discern where he stands on trade in America although he does come out in support of unions. Whether that support of unions is sincere or not should be followed closely by members of top unions in America. Anways, A blog on Barack Obama's site reads:

I want a politician to answer with specific words. dont play games. The middle class is hurting because you politicians sold your souls to Big Businesses to allow them to write how they will proceed with business, stifle wages, and retake benefits. Deregulation caused this as well add to it NAFTA and CAFTA. U want a polotician to be honest and forthright then follow through on your promises. Its funny that those running for office promises anything to get a vote from the American citizen, then once elected the elected official get their marching orders from Big Business. The Middle Class is being squeezed because our elected official allow Big Business to do the squeezing and got paid for their inaction by Big Business. Look at Gas, Health Care, banking, Mortgage, Food, Clothing....every facet of our lives our elected officials turn over to Big Business. Read Allstate Insurance and the Mckinsey Report. Read your house insurance policy and check to see if your insurer will pay 100% replacement costs or "extended replacement costs." Dont listen to your insurance agent as they are on the side of their employer.


I believe this blogger made a great assessment of the situation Americans face today in regards to trade and our polticians' ties to Big Business. She rightfully takes people like Obama to task for allowing capitalism to take over so much of our government.

How does Obama feel about issues that have resulted because of NAFTA? on his blog touches on some of the problems:

My only concern in all of these reforms that are necessary is that entrepreneurship and the small business man doesn't get squeezed out.

And if you want jobs to stay here, then people need to do their job as if they were paying themselves, and we need to be willing to pay more for goods and services, and stop supporting all the merchandise that comes from around the world.


Obama has not made any mention of the importance of buying American again nor has he said exactly what he plans to do about NAFTA. But Obama has said in regards to trade that:

"Globalization, right now, is creating winners and losers...But the problem is it's the same winners and the same losers each and every time. And we've got to mix it up and that does mean by the way that you've got to have a president in the White House who is not subject to whims of corporate lobbyists." <Source>


Well, Obama is not off to a good start. All one has to do is go to OpenSecrets.org to find that he has accepted money from the same corporations who were criminally aided and abetted Enron. These corporations turned a blind eye to what Enron was doing and let them steal millions and ruin the lives of thousands of Americans. Go through and you will find: JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, and Citigroup who all were involved in the Enron scandal. He also has accepted contributions to his campaign from Viacom and Time Warner, which ensures that he will not force those media conglomerates to change their devious ways of reporting news anytime soon.

That he would stand up and say he has no corporate ties when he has accepted money from corporations is continuing a pattern of events that has gone on for too long. George W. Bush stood up and reassured us that he had nothing to do with favoring Enron. But did we listen? We let him con us into believing his corporate support would not matter. Oh were we wrong.

On Character & Persona

Obama's perceived persona and character could be considered dangerous for Americans who have already begun to accept his policies even when they are questionable. Just read this comment on
his blog:


P.S. I know these are generalities, but dissecting every issue would be tedious, and would get off the point of why we need to elect him, and get off the fact that being a person of color is a possible negative.


With months left until the primary, one should be frightened that sentiments of this nature are being tossed around. To not continue to question his stances and fight to mold him into the best Democratic candidate for America is criminal to the future of America. No American should have to accept him as is and should push him to take stronger stances.

Not only is he getting a free pass, but he is also gaining more and more notoriety for what he could mean for black people. In fact, lack of experience and his color seem to be the only features of his persona that show vulnerability. He has tackled lack of experience by using ad hominem attacks, which shifted the problem from him to people like Cheney and Rumsfeld who have had plenty of experience but who have made many poor judgments. In respect to his color, he has fashioned himself as the candidate who will bring back Democratic popularity in the South and other areas where if only black voters turned out Democrats would have no problem winning.

The media and his supporters have accepted this without asking properly what he would do for black people or let me rephrase that, people who are in the lower class, poor, unemployed, struggle with the justice system, face a decision of poverty or sports stardom as a young child, deal with violence and gang warfare, suffer from weak family relationships, etc. Obama does have proposed solutions on his website for much of these issues facing black people but do they do anything? Can government enact legislation that will help solve these problems? Or is Obama just spewing rhetoric to pump up his popularity?

Barack's supporters also make the claim that he is a progressive:

"What Obama is doing is very different from what Clinton is doing. Clinton is moderating her positions and moving towards an imagined "center". Obama is changing the discourse--not his core priciples--so that people who have considered themselves, incorrectly, as conservatives or Republicans, can more easily identify with and choose progressive values. Without feeling blamed and shamed by being chided with "I-told-you-sos"."


However, if one were to look at the truth behind this, one would find that there are only two true progressives running in this race</a> (Note the diagram of US Presidential Primaries for 2007 on the right hand side.)

From
another supporter of Obama:

Barack Obama's biggest asset, to me, is that he is a 21st century leader. He weilds the power of the message; he knows how it can mobilize the people. In today's world, words are important.


With larger than life popularity, support from Oprah and therefore, much of Hollywood, unmatched attention by the media that has overshadowed all other candidate's campaigns, and flocks of young "foot soldiers" coming to rallies to support him like he is some rock star, just what does it mean for America if we allow him to be elected on his weak stances? What does it mean for America if people think his "words are important" but do not research the meaning behind his words?

Last time I checked, actions speak louder than words. And Obama may not be the best candidate when looking at the actions he has taken on these issues in the past. Until the media and his supporters do the proper research and give his track record and his campaign donors the proper attention, Obama's supporters remain in the handcuffs of blind faith in much the same way that so many Americans have been handcuffed by blind faith during the Iraq war.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:38 PM
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1. Excuse me but... how the hell is Obama leading in national polls? He's not!
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 07:39 PM by Kagemusha
If you're going to tear him down, fine, tear him down, but don't outright lie about his national support to build him up further before delivering the axe. He is not the front-runner. (As is strongly implied at the very top of the original post.)
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:23 PM
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4. And who is?
Please. I would like to know who is. It's either Hillary or Obama. So says the news. And so say the American people as that is all the majority talk about.

Obama or Hillary?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:41 PM
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5. Hillary's leading in the polls. Why did you not know this?
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 09:43 PM by Kagemusha
It's not some secret.

Edit: And since it's apparent you're happy to wallow in ignorance unless you're hand fed citations of very public polls that have been much publicized on DU and elsewhere... I'm not going to waste my time with this subject any further.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:46 PM
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6. Right so...
When I am done taking out the guy with the big momentum I will go after Hillary.

Hillary is a lot easier than Barack Obama.

Both are one and the same and hard to tell the difference between, which is what makes working in the MSM fun. You can create differences for the people of America to pontificate on.

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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:06 PM
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10. Excuse me?
???
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:03 PM
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2. "support from Oprah and therefore, much of Hollywood"
not true. People in Hollywood don't blindly follow whatever Oprah does. She spends much of her time in Chicago -- so doesn't do much "face time" in the Industry in L.A. -- and only comes around during Awards Season.

People are more likely to follow what Spielberg is doing -- or who he's supporting -- than what Oprah is doing -- or who she's supporting. And even then people in the Entertainment Industry only cast a cursory glance at politics as their lives, quite honestly, are centered around their work, like many Americans, I imagine.

Silly point to make in light of your lengthy piece, but I thought you'd appreciate the info.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:22 PM
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3. with all do respect
There is no basis for your statement at all as there is no source for what you say. Please cite something if you are going to tell me, "thought you'd appreciate the info." You are stating your opinion...which is fine, but that doesn't make it right unless you have something to back it up.

And I could care less about Oprah and what she does. I care about what Obama is doing to this nation by misleading and disinforming the American people.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:08 PM
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7. your statement
"With larger than life popularity, support from Oprah and therefore, much of Hollywood" appears to be your personal opinion and not backed up by a "source." Therefore, is this opinion without a source you have "right"?

I work in the Entertainment Industry, I know these people and I know what they think of politics, of Obama, of Hillary, the other Candidates and, in fact, of Oprah. I offered you what I know, just as you did with regards to that statement. Unless you're going to back up your belief that "much of Hollywood" will follow Oprah down Obama's Path, I don't feel the need to back mine up. If we're just sharing our opinions, then that's fine, too.

Take what I offered at face value or disregard it. Disagree. Agree. Whatever.
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ccpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:15 PM
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8. and your statement
"And I could care less about Oprah and what she does" begs the question then why did you even include her and the rest of Hollywood following her in the first place?

And, I'm sorry, but "disinforming" isn't a word. I trust you're looking for "misinforming". Just thought you'd appreciate the info and, yes, the source for this would be the dictionary.

'Night.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 12:14 AM
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9. Good night to you too
http://www.disinfo.com/site/

Look, I get what your saying. I just didn't appreciate how you pushed it at me. So, I think it's legitimate to suggest celebrities will prop up Obama's campaign along with Oprah. I have nothing to back that up. So, when it does happen, I will say, "hmm, told ya so." Until then, what I say is just a mere prediction.
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 03:10 AM
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11. This link won't work for me
However, if one were to look at the truth behind this, one would find that there are http://deepthought.newsvine.com/_news/2007/08/21/909570... ">only two true progressives running in this race</a> (Note the diagram of US Presidential Primaries for 2007 on the right hand side.)


I would be interested to know who are the "true progressives". I guess Kucinich is one of them.

What I would say to supporters of Dennis Kucinich is that he would be an easy candidate for someone like Romney or Giuliani or Fred Thompson to beat on 11-4-2008. But it's not necessarily Dennis' fault that he is relatively short, perceived as being "out of the mainstream", and that his hot young wife distracts people from hearing the message of what he is trying to say.

I would be happy to see Obama on the ticket in 2008, 2012, 2016 & 2020. I agree that he is untested and needs some more experience before he will be ready to take on the Presidency. I think serving 8 years as VP will give him the experience he needs.

I am still hoping that Al Gore and/or Wes Clark will get into the race and seek the Democratic nomination. Either one has the experience and intelligence needed to be a great President from day one in the job. Both are "progressive" - as most of us here on DU would understand this word.



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