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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:57 AM
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Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock: Countdown to Midnight in Persia
http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1270/135/

Tick-Tock, Tick-Tock: Countdown to Midnight in Persia
Written by Chris Floyd
Thursday, 30 August 2007

Day after day, almost hour by hour, fresh confirmation comes of the impending American attack on Iran. Yet the same surreal malaise that hung over public affairs before the war of aggression against Iraq has descended again. Everyone knows the war is coming and nothing will stop it, but the strange, ludicrous shadow play of sham "debate" goes on, as if there were some kind of political or diplomatic maneuver out there that could deflect the Bush-Cheney junta from its long-chosen course. But nothing will stop them, just as nothing -- not even 10 million people in the streets around the world, the largest protest in human history -- stopped them from the rape of Iraq. It's what they want to do -- and they will do it.

The latest confirmation arrives from Juan Cole's new spin-off blog, "Global Affairs," where Barnett Rubin writes:


Today I received a message from a friend who has excellent connections in Washington and whose information has often been prescient. According to this report, as in 2002, the rollout will start after Labor Day, with a big kickoff on September 11. My friend had spoken to someone in one of the leading neo-conservative institutions. He summarized what he was told this way:


They have "instructions" (yes, that was the word used) from the Office of the Vice-President to roll out a campaign for war with Iran in the week after Labor Day; it will be coordinated with the American Enterprise Institute, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly Standard, Commentary, Fox, and the usual suspects. It will be heavy sustained assault on the airwaves, designed to knock public sentiment into a position from which a war can be maintained. Evidently they don't think they'll ever get majority support for this -- they want something like 35-40 percent support, which in their book is "plenty."


Of course I cannot verify this report. But besides all the other pieces of information about this circulating, I heard last week from a former U.S. government contractor. According to this friend, someone in the Department of Defense called, asking for cost estimates for a model for reconstruction in Asia. The former contractor finally concluded that the model was intended for Iran. This anecdote is also inconclusive, but it is consistent with the depth of planning that went into the reconstruction effort in Iraq and Afghanistan.


I have no inside connections anywhere, but I do have a couple of friends who do. And one of them reported last week that one of his friends -- with good sources among the Establishment, including the White House -- also confirms that the attack on Iran is a done deal, "just a matter of time." Awaiting, no doubt, that post-Labor Day "rollout of product."

Cole also points us to the story by Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane, who reported on the study by two respected British academics on the likely course of the coming war. According to Dr. Dan Plesch, Director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) at the University of London, and Martin Butcher, former Director of the British American Security Information Council, the war preparations now being made by the Bush Administration bespeak something far beyond a quick punitive strike on Iranian Guards positions or lightning raid on Iran's nuclear power facilities. Instead, what the Bush-Cheney junta envision is the complete destruction of the Iranian state in an aerial blitzkrieg aimed at up to 10,000 targets inside Iran.

The goal, says Plesch and Butcher, is to:


"destroy Iran's WMD , nuclear energy, regime, armed forces, state apparatus and economic infrastructure within days if not hours of President George W. Bush giving the order...Any attack is likely to be on a massive multi-front scale but avoiding a ground invasion. Attacks focused on WMD facilities would leave Iran too many retaliatory options, leave President Bush open to the charge of using too little force and leave the regime intact. US bombers and long range missiles are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours. US ground, air and marine forces already in the Gulf, Iraq, and Afghanistan can devastate Iranian forces, the regime and the state at short notice.

Some form of low level US and possibly UK military action as well as armed popular resistance appear underway inside the Iranian provinces or ethnic areas of the Azeri, Balujistan, Kurdistan and Khuzestan. Iran was unable to prevent sabotage of its offshore-to-shore crude oil pipelines in 2005.


The assault will most likely be made with conventional weapons, the authors say, as the political and environmental effects of a nuclear strike on Iran would not be worth the limited military value of such an attack. After all, the Bushists want to control Iran and milk it dry after they destroy the regime and slaughter a vast number of innocent people. Halliburton and Exxon wouldn't be able to move right in and start gobbling up loot in a radiated land.

This is what is coming. This is what the Bushists will be selling to us soon. (Glenn Greenwald has a useful roundup of the growing madness here.) One sees comments here and there to the effect that "the American people will never accept this," that "Bush can't get away with this kind of thing after Iraq," or that "this isn't 2002, with everyone still raw and dazed after 9/11," etc., etc. But such declarations are pipe-dreams, foolish hopes. As we have pointed out here many times, Bush and Cheney are not interested in obtaining the "consent of the governed" for their militarist agenda -- nor do they need it.

Congress has already given its overwhelming approval to the specious reasons for war that Bush and his minions have advanced. The corporate media is doing its part again too; for example, the media's flagship, the New York Times, has been "stovepiping" warmongering spin straight from the White House and Pentagon onto its front pages -- exactly as it did in the run-up to the Iraq invasion, and even using the same reporter, Michael Gordon, who with his co-writer Judith Miller was reponsible for the dissemination of so many useful lies. The same system that fed the engines of aggressive war in 2002-03 -- reporter gets spin from Bushists, paper prints spin, Bushists then cite the report as "confirmation" of the lies they themselves concocted -- is in operation now.

Unless the Bushists institute a draft, it is inconceivable that any kind of mass protest movement strong enough to derail the coming war will arise from among the somnolent American people. The majority of Americans will grudgingly accept the war -- if they do not openly support it -- as long as it does not directly and immediately affect them. Only a ground invasion, with conscript troops, would spread the direct pain throughout American society. That's why the aggression will be based on air and naval power (along with the secret armies and death squads and mercenaries of America's covert forces.) The destruction of countless thousands of innocent people -- and the vital infrastructure to support the lives of millions more -- will simply be a dazzling light show on the nation's TV screens, complete with glitzy graphics and dramatic music.

But let us bear witness to the truth while we can still speak the truth: this is murder. And all those who do not speak out against it -- and against all those in high places who do nothing to stop it -- are fully complicit in this abomination. No excuses, no mitigation, not this time. Speak out -- or be damned with the criminals who thrive on your silence. ***
Recommend this article...
http://www.chris-floyd.com/content/view/1270/135/


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:05 AM
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1. Study considering a war with Iran
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Mugsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:12 AM
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2. Maybe I'm in denial...
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 09:31 AM by Mugsy
But I'm STILL not convinced that these people in the White House are SO manifestly insane that they'd actually EXPAND the war in the Mid-East by attacking Iran and turning even the few remaining neutral Muslim nations... not to mention Russia and China... into a seething hotbed of hate for the United States.

These people scare me, but I'm more afraid of them "accidentally" provoking something due to their own incompetence instead of them doing this "on purpose" due to some grand disillusion that they're "making the world safe for Democracy".
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:44 AM
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7. I hope you're right.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 04:14 PM
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11. Oh, they are that insane. I find it hard to believe the military is that insane. nt
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 06:51 PM
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16. I am not
of the opinion that they are insane. i think they know what they are doing. we don't, but they do. i would also say that something is terribly wrong with the other branches of government. that too is not an issue of insanity, but we don't know what they are doing or why they are doing it. in this case, i don't think they do either. finally,there is us - the people - and while as a collective we are not insane, our complacency despite our shared understanding that our nation is under attack appears to be insane.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:54 PM
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22. I might have to disagree with you here LaLa.
We all know exactly what they are doing and why.

This is what US leaders do, and have done for a long, long time. They want the resources of the ME, and they are going to kill as many people as is necessary to get them. It really is that simple.

Also, don't look at what is being done from our perspective, try to see it from their perspective. US leaders are using our tax dollars to do the single biggest heist in human history. For them and their 1%, war is very profitable, and they like profit. With few exceptions, all of our elected officials are well aware that this is going on and why, and they are choosing to do nothing.

Please don't think that they don't know what is going on.
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lala_rawraw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:11 PM
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25. i can say with some
experience that most members of Congress have no clue what is going on... they are informed by their staff... highly visible people like Kucinich and Hill, Obama are highly informed, but they are the exception.
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onetinsoldier Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:01 PM
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24. possible iran attack
his is complicated,from bush's point of view he almost has to do something,it is akin to a child being behind on a board game so he upst the board so everyone has to start over.the so called moderate muslim countries are not in their hearts of hearts against this,they are afraid of iran and do not want the shites to get any more power in the mideast,israel will be delighted ,its not every day you can get saudi arabia and israel both cheering you on,the part of lebanon that is not pro iran and/or syria will be helped,friends for better or worse(ive been following the mideast for 45years)its shaping up as a battle between iran,syria,hizballah and hamas against israel,us ,jordan,egypt,lebanon,saudi arabi etc. the iran/syria axis thinks time is on their side and unfortunately if we dont push both of these countries back hard they will continue to cause major mischief in the area. in full disclosure mt ancestors are from the area
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-02-07 02:10 PM
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38. Any attack on Iran endangers our troops in Iraq from what I have read the Iranian army is large and
close
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:16 AM
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3. Oh but impeachment, oh that's why it's off the table.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:17 AM
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4. Can we stop this?
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 09:18 AM by Jim__
I agree with the article that bush does not care about demonstrations. The only possibility I can see is a national strike. I'm not sure there would be much participation in a national strike against a potential war. But, we can't let this happen.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:43 AM
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6. He says in the article it's already been approved by the Dem congress.
I'm furious. I don't know what we can do!
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EnricoFermi Donating Member (139 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:52 PM
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34. Yes, they agreed
For their part, Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic leadership continually tacked to the right, readjusting their war spending bill to placate Blue Dog Democrats and other war supporters within the Democratic caucus by further watering down its nominal restrictions on Bush’s war powers. They secured the support of the party’s right wing by dropping language that would have required Bush to obtain congressional support before launching an attack on Iran.


Why should I support Democrats unconditionally again?
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 09:27 AM
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5. We're back to the eternal question of who's gonna "bell the cat".
Will Congress stand up and declare "No!", and even if it did, I think he'd do it anyway.

The only thing that would stop him would be the immediate response from the world community ranging from economic boycotts to actually coming to Iran's defense militarily.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:54 AM
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8. China and Russia are the only ones with the power to stop this.
Will they? I don't know. I've lost all hope in the Dems. It's all about AIPAC! If AIPAC is lobbying for war with Iran that's what we'll get.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 11:42 AM
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9. I don't rule out your speculation.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 12:50 PM
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10. What Dems? There's only one party now: Republicrats.
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 12:52 PM by reprobate

We voted to put Dems in power to drive change in this nation. And what do we get? Ineffectual, triangulating invertebrates who will do nothing to stop a clearly criminal cabal.

If this attack actually happens I'm finished with the Democratic party. They will have proven to me and all Americans that they care nothing for the constitution or all the history of this nation. To say nothing of all those Americans who gave their lives through the years since the Declaration of Independence.

Pardon my paranoia, but considering the timing I'm wondering if the current global financial meltdown was intentional, meant to lessen the ability of the rest of the world to do anything to oppose the attack on Iran. Naw, I can't believe they're that organized or farsighted. No, they are cunning and manipulative, but not farsighted. Witness the Iraq fiasco. More like our own version of the American National Socialist Party.

Kinda makes ya wonder what will be left of this nation when they're finished. Anything?
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 04:15 PM
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12. Vichymerica. nt
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:26 PM
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15. Actually, they are
You just need to clear your mind of the idea that "stabilising" Iraq was ever on the agenda and realise exactly how evil this lot are.

Consider: Stabilising Iraq would allow it to start pumping oil again. Iraq has a capacity of around four to six million barrels. That would give the US some strategic control of the oil but drive the price down.

Now look at it the other way: An Iraq campaign designed to plunge the region into chaos. The knowledge, manpower and resources were available to do Iraq properly but they were ignored. Keeping Iraq in chaos eliminates it's oil from world supply, pushing the per-barrel price to stratastrophic levels and, via profit-sharing agreements, doubling (in some cases, more) the profits of the oil mega-corps. Which industry do Cheney and Bush have very close ties to? Yes, a lot of people die but what do they care? It's not them or their loved ones in the firing line. That's why the Admin is so committed to staying in Iraq, long after sense and reason says to pull out: Because if the US pulls out, there's a chance that Iraq (or parts of it anyway) might stabilise and start pumping again.

Oil is a limited resource, when the supply is lower, the price goes up (and stays up until the IOCs are forced to lower it). Turnign Iraq into a large-scale reproduction of Bedlam circa 1885 makes the Bush family mafia, Cheney and their buddies richer and they're not very bothered who dies in the process. Look at it that way and it's all very logical.

Know what would push the price even higher? Doing the same botch job to Iran.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 07:33 PM
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17. If what you're are saying is true then BushCo is the definition
of pure evil, they are on Hitler's level.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 07:39 PM
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18. Not in numbers
Edited on Thu Aug-30-07 07:44 PM by Prophet 451
But in terms of intent, yes, they are. Oh, Bush himself might not be but he's just the smiling frontman.

EDIT: One other difference. Hitler's murderous insanity was directed at very specific groups; Jews, Roma (full disclosure, I'm partly Roma), gay people, etc. BushCo aren't so single-minded. The bodycount is incidental to their purposes, not an end in itself.
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:22 PM
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20. Not in numbers yet, but the war still goes on and these guys have
more deadlier arsonal of weapons at their disposal. Bush's muderous insanity is also directed at a specific group; Middle Eastern Muslims, at least those that don't bow down to him.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 08:38 PM
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21. Point well taken
Is he actually interested in extermination though?
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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 10:20 PM
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23. OK you convinced me he's not on Hitler's level he's more like a student
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 01:01 PM
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29. bush* really is just is the snarky, smirky frontman. He is controlled by his
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 01:02 PM by Raster
daddy issues, failure issues, messianic issues and untreated substance abuse issues. His "I am the decider" comment was meant to convince himself as much as anyone else.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 01:42 PM
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32. Yeah, that sounds about right
He's the smiling public face though. The nakedly evil bastards are the ones behind him i.e. Cheney.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 12:58 PM
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28. Most Excellent analysis. cheney/bush* is a bastard child of the Texas-American Petroleum Cartel
Edited on Fri Aug-31-07 01:02 PM by Raster
and the Military/Industrial Machine. Iraq has ALWAYS been about control of its oil reserves. Most assume that TAPC (exxon/mobile, halliburton) just can't wait to get in their and start pumping. Not true. The cheney/bush* years have paid off HANDSOMELY for the Cartel. Same infrastructure as before cheney/bush*, same supply lines, same distribution--QUADRUPLE THE PROFITS! I think millions of otherwise good Americans and most of the assholes in Congress went along with the cheney/bush* fairy tale that all that lovely oil would pay for this fiasco. That was NEVER the intention.

Wake up America!:kick:

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Middle finga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 07:48 PM
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19. I'm afraid you can forget about the congress stopping anything
they hear the chatter about war with Iran, they've had a chance to address the issue and lay down guidelines but they recently took it off the table basically sending a message to Bush that he can do what he want. The only hope I have is that the rest of the world unite and oppose this out of control administration.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 04:48 PM
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13. Bush wanted the Iraq War as much as Cheney; he helped orchestrate it.
I would say that this debacle is mostly engineered by Cheney, who is after all the real boss. W just is too stupid to give a damn.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 01:04 PM
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30. For W, Iraq is all about his daddy issues and the fact he has ALWAYS been

a miserable failure. The Iraq was an opportunity to finally "one up" the old man.

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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 05:22 PM
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14. Something to keep in mind about this chatter.
Chatter is usually accurate in part, but often contradictory as well. Bear in mind that only some of what we are hearing is true (I do not argue with the central thesis of the attack being a "done deal", though).

For example, "chatter" from Deep Modem states that Cheney is stepping down in a few weeks, but the chatter we are hearing concerning the impending engagement with Iran seems to imply that Cheney will not step down. So presumably, only one can be true.

But there is the odd possibility that we will attack Iran and Cheney will step down, as well since the ball is already rolling. It would be a cunning move, but I'm not sure he can separate himself from his current level of power. They can also groom a new person to run in the Presidential election from the VP seat.

Interesting times...what I want to know is when the Chinese cursed us.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 10:05 AM
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26. Pelosi withdrew, at the behest of aipac, a bill requiring cong. approval. Thanks Nancy.
you are complicit in the pending destruction of my favorite planet.


The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), Washington’s most influential pro-Israel lobbying group, held its capital policy conference just after the House removed Iran authorization language from its version of the supplemental. AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr told members there that any legislative attempt to limit U.S. options in Iran would be harmful and signal weakness.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/dems-divided-over-webbs-proposal-requiring-approval-for-attacking-iran-2007-04-17.html

The war funding bill is scheduled for a House Appropriations Committee vote on Thursday. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed to remove the requirement concerning Iran before the vote.

When aipac sits next to Nancy and taps its foot, Nancy listens and responds!

www.stopAIPAC.org
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 11:17 AM
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27. I hate to be a dick but how long have we heard this speech from?
Are you really going to take something you read off a blog that seriously? Every year since the Iraq war we have been warned of an attack on Iran in the coming months, that attack has not come. Bush just wants to get the hell out of office at this point without making republican chances in 08 any worse, attacking Iran would be political suicide for them.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 01:09 PM
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31. You are trying to see the LOGIC in attacking Iran, from a LOGICAL point of view.
Don't. Instead of a calculated, meticulous process, cheney/bush* and Iran is the equivalent of an all-or-nothing Roger Stauback "Hail Mary" in the last seconds of the fourth quarter. If it works the payoff could be big, if not, well, they're fucked anyway.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 03:10 PM
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33. You really think they would give the Demcorats a huge majority for the next decade or so over Iran?
They are banking plenty of money off Iraq, helping get democrats get elected is going to fuck that up for them as we will be out of there in no time.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:39 PM
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36. Dang! What a disgusting avatar, BTW!
And I also think they will plan to take back congress, one evil way or another!
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 05:05 PM
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37. Hey, lay off the avatar buddy!
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-31-07 04:37 PM
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35. I hope you are right!
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