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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:06 PM
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Hillary: A Clear and Present Danger By Stephen Pizzo
Original Content at http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_stephen__070906_hillary_3a_a_clear_and.htm




.. Like George W. Bush there's plenty of data out there for those paying attention, and much of it more than hints at the kind of President Hillary would be should they be foolish enough to elect her to that post. In many ways – too many ways – Hillary is – (physiology aside) – George W. Bush.
Today I offer two pieces of evidence to support that startling claim. First this, which landed in my email box yesterday:


"My encounter with Hillary's people.

I'd just like to relate a recent incident that speaks to the candidacy of Hillary Clinton and those who support and advocate for her. At the Rally in Portsmouth, NH on Labor Day Weekend, Clinton
Campaign workers, with the help of local police, prohibited me from entering the Rally area because I carried an anti-war sign.

On Sunday, September 2nd, the day of the Clinton Rally in Portsmouth, I went downtown with a sign that read "No first strike on Iran" and on the other side "Stop the Killing." The Clinton Campaign had taken over a large area of Pleasant Street from State Street to Market Square and claimed large areas of the public sidewalks as well. I stood in the Square for over an hour as people assembled for the Rally.

When people were permitted to enter the rally areas, I started to walk in with them. I was stopped by Clinton Campaign workers who told me that no signs were permitted. I'd have to leave my sign outside the rally area.

I am a thirty-year resident of Portsmouth, a member of the anti-war movement, and NH Coordinator for Codepink: Women for Peace. Whether you agree with my politics or not, this is still supposed to be a
Democracy--or more accurately a Republic with democratic ideals. I know that this is not what the Constitution says about my rights of free speech. I challenged them. I was certain that there would be
pro-Hillary signs permitted in the rally zone.

They would not permit me to go forward. I asked them to send a policeman over for me to talk to and (a detective) showed up and informed me, I have since found out erroneously, that the Clinton
campaign had a permit for a "no-sign zone" and that I would have to leave. Not wanting to be arrested, I said that I would comply with his request but that I needed to assert my Constitutional Right of Free Speech. I was required to leave under threat of arrest. I did so.

Now if any of you have seen photos of this event, you will clearly understand my chagrin when you see the Pro-Hillary signs all over the Rally's designated "NO SIGNS" area.

Tuesday morning, I called City Hall and inquired as to the specifications of the Rally permit. Portsmouth City Manager John Bohenko said that there was no such restriction in the permit that
was issued to the Clinton Campaign, that they were required to permit entry to anyone who wanted to come in and he and City Attorney Robert Sullivan both said that I had every right to have been on public property with my sign.

I listened from outside the barricades and heard Hillary Clinton speak, more than once, to restoring the Constitution, and later, to not making anyone invisible. She spoke to the private-club, ownership society of the Bush Administration. I think, from her campaign's actions, that she might belong to the same club.

So what does this say to you about the Hillary Clinton campaign and those who support and advocate for her candidacy?

Sadly, I know what it says to me.

Barbara H."


ARTICLE CONTINUES...SEE LINK

Authors Website: NewsforReal.com

Authors Bio: Stephen Pizzo has been published everywhere from The New York Times to Mother Jones magazine. His book, Inside Job: The Looting of America's Savings and Loans, was nominated for a Pulitzer.

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sailor65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:09 PM
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1. I think a lot of people
believe she belongs to that club.
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Imagine My Surprise Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:20 PM
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2. thank you for posting...
I would vote for Satan over that DINO.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:41 PM
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6. I'm voting for Hillary!
I gave her $1,000 already and will give more before Christmas! I'm also organizing a Home Party Fundraiser!
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:19 PM
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7. I'm voting for her.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:26 PM
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17. I guess if your job isn't at stake, you can afford to n/t
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:01 PM
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23. No it isn't. I'm grateful but have also paid dues!
Nursing is in tremendous demand and I'm damn good at it too...which helps when you want extra cash...I can work on any floor. ER is my specialty. Teaching is another forte.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 10:46 PM
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28. So workers immune from outsourcing are just telling the rest of us to go straight to hell?
Thanks for nothing.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:51 AM
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35. Excellent question, eridani. Most excellent. Do you honestly expect an answer? n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:40 PM
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42. Well, I'm not and it was decided in 2003
when she wouldn't listen to her constituents on the IWR vote. hillary thought she was so smart that she and howard wolfson had it all figured out..
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:05 AM
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47. nurses can be imported from overseas to work much cheaper
that will happen
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iaviate1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:57 AM
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51. Ever hear of a Japanese robot?
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 12:58 AM by iaviate1
Right now they're focused on development of robots to care for the nation's growing elderly population - reducing the demand of costly nurses. Hope she enjoys the money while it's there, but rubbing it in our faces isn't necessary.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 01:31 PM
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37. analyzing politics, however, is not.
any response to the post on the behavior of the clinton campaign and the police?

radicalpsychnurse
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:54 PM
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11. And sadly so are many Americans fooled by the media.
Our country is doomed and headed in a ditch it will not recover from and not enough people care enough to open their eyes before its too late? I think this is the election that will go down in history, either we get the right person in there and the country recovers or we put the wrong one in and it meets its demise. Of course that wont happen until after many more innocent lives are taken. Sad : (
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:14 PM
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12. Hillary is my choice, my hope and
my inspiration. I wish the best for you in your recovery from doubt and pessimism.O8)
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:18 PM
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13. reality's a bitch. and I suspect so is our future with her as pres.
my doubts and pessimism are due to earlier, personal interaction with her. I don't wish to repeat that shit again. Thinking of her as president makes me shudder.

Kucinich, edwards, richardson, obama, all fine strong candidates. Only the media is pushing her. now we know why. she has a deal with the devil.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:23 PM
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16. Why is it that the media is pushing her so much?
Thats one part I don't understand? I think we can all agree that the media is controlled and is agenda driven and I don't mean getting the facts out either. What is it that makes the media want her as the next president, what would they benefit from that?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:32 PM
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19. I have several theories, but the top one is this:
They recognized a kindred spirit, someone who would push aside every single thing to get what she wanted. Much like the neocons. They tried to mold Condi into that position, but she turned out to be a hopeless fuck-up, except on the piano, and her minor ability in trying to keep W in line. in comparison, Hillary is smart enough, greedy enough, and just changeable enough to be a perfect target. the powers behind the powers wasted millions training condi, and here is someone far better.

Step one. Attack her, make her feel insecure. Second step, come to her with a peace offering. Third step, have some talking heads say good things about her, 4th step push her into office in one of the largest states, WHERE SHE WAS NOT A RESIDENT, and buy her the office. THen, the bribe. 8 figures. cash. Book deal. and more to come, so long as she played ball. the rules were simple.

a. keep thine nose clean.
b. don't divorce.
c. pretend to work hard.
d. listen to us about the tough votes.
e. keep your silly librul friends at bay, by throwing them a bone.
f. listen to us.
g. take all the big pharma and big corpsa and big healthcare cash we send you, and remember where it came from.

in exchange, she gets to play the first lady presidon't.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:58 AM
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52. Brilliant!
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 09:45 AM
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34. Hint .....
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. I strongly encourage you to actually
attend a Hillary Clinton Rally, Town Hall Meeting or some form of Campaign event and see for yourself....She is the next President of the United States. The media does not influence me....I went for myself and became exceptionally informed.

May 12, 2007

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=172x22165
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:09 PM
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25. I REALLY, REALLY hope not. And I will do all in my power
to stop her from being the nominee. It would be a clustereffin disaster.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:41 PM
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43. I'm thinking she has
several Deals with the anti-Christ.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:28 PM
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18. You have mistaken realism for pessimism, sorry for confusing you.
Since I can assume we all want the best for our country, what is that makes hillary your choice? Help me make the right decision for the country, what is it that she stands for, what is it that she will do that would have me cast my vote for her? I think we could all use some education on the candidates and this is a good opportunity to turn this to a positive thing for all.

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:37 PM
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21. No mistake on my part..........
I'm quite intuitive.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:53 PM
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22. Okay? Can we move it to positive side now? Help me cast my vote?
As I said in the post before, what is it that makes Hillary your choice, help allot of us make the right decision in this very important presidential race. I don't trust the media enough so its better to get the facts straight from her supporters on what she is about and what she can do for our country. Before I was only pointing out my view of things, I didn't expect you to point your finger at me and shake it so I responded but I don't know you so I don't know how you look at things.

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:03 PM
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24. I'll update you tomorrow...
Edited on Thu Sep-06-07 09:05 PM by liberalnurse
I'm going in to work ER............. Here is a quick link for ya....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=334&topic_id=249
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 12:02 PM
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:52 PM
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44. Yeah, "dreamy"...gag reflex. So's this guy
with her.

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groovedaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:53 AM
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55. I get the woman's point but how have the enforced this at Bush Rallies?
They won't let you in with the wrong shirt on and have arrested people with anti-war signs, though one case was thrown out by the courts.
It is way too 'bush like' to not allow this woman in with her sign.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:21 PM
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29. The media has very little influence on me.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 04:12 PM
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39. Even though this incident proves she's against peace AND free speech?
Why still even think about voting for her?

It's stupid politics too. Nobody who hate the antiwar movement is ever going to vote Democratic again anyway.
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iaviate1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:54 AM
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50. Yet you don't defend her? n/t
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:22 PM
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3. We need to put an end to all the no-signs and First-Amendment-Zone
crap once and for all. Land of the Free. Yeah. Sure.

(If there were a legitimate security issue with signs, then ALL signs would be excluded, not just those which expressed opposing policy or political views.)
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:19 PM
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14. I believe the individual has a right to carry a sign
so long as he doesn't interfere with the rights of Hillary and others to hold their rally and express their free speech. The author says he's Code Pink and that makes me wonder if he wasn't more disruptive than he lets on.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:23 PM
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4. I await Hillary supporters coming on here and telling us how mortified they are that this took place
...or maybe they will just make excuses for it. I know I would be totally flabbergasted if fellow supporters of my candidate acted to suppress the First Amendment.

For that matter, I would be disappointed that my candidate did not stand up and insist that all followers should follow the dictates of the Constitution that the candidate, is victorious, swears to protect.

It would certainly be a nice gesture on Hillary's part to browbeat her followers who did this.

Well, like I said, we will see what reaction we will see from Hillary supporters here on DU.
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Imagine My Surprise Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:31 PM
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5. The Rabbi says it best in the current issue of Mother Jones...
...in an article called "Hillary's Prayer."
"There is something in her that pushes her toward caring about others," says liberal rabbi and Clinton ally Michael Lerner, "as long as there's no price to pay. But in politics, there is a price to pay."
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 06:42 PM
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8. Hillary has many personal traits as Bush. She is an authoritarian
I've noticed many common traits with Bush and the whole clique with Hillary over a couple of years. she has defended many times Bush's policies.
Last year she introduced a flag burning bill. As silly as it sounds, this is the social conservatives issue.
I feel it would be huge mistake. She is running bush's 2000 campaign. She really worries me.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:18 PM
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9. She may worry you, but she scares the hell out of me.


I will NOT vote for her. And if she's the nominee I will not vote.

IMO, an authoritarian is an authoritarian, no matter what the party or gender.

I am strongly in favor of a woman in the presidency. However, she shows none of the expected characteristics of her gender. Characteristics such as compromise, understanding, compassion.

Neither of the Clintons show any sign of being progressives. May I point out who signed NAFTA into being?

AFAIC Dennis is the only candidate with the brain power and ideas that are needed to bring this nation back to what I grew up under.
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iaviate1 Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:43 PM
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27. I won't vote for her either... ever.
But I will cast a vote for a progressive candidate, regardless of parties. Hillary has repeatedly voted for war and is therefore not worthy of the Presidency.
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skyblue Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 05:15 AM
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31. Hillary represented NYS where the WTC was.
Edited on Fri Sep-07-07 05:21 AM by skyblue
Think NY'rs cared about the truth as they saw where the towers used to be when they went into the city to work. Or heard about it from their friends, knew people who died there? Think that GWB didn't get more votes in 2004 and we didn't lose seats in the Senate and House at that time because it had become less popular. Sadly enough, there were numerous websites at that time but people did not have access to the information or give a rats az about the truth to make that possible.

She has plans about the environment, health care, Social Security that are a hell of alot different than the Rathug plans and should be listened to before you condemn her like a Republican would a lead Democratic candidate who has proven she could beat Republican candidates.

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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 01:28 AM
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45. She's a DINO. She pushed Bill to pass NAFTA, losing three million US jobs.


She's also DLC. Thanks, but I'd just as soon not have my president beholden to the corporations that control this nation.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 08:23 PM
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15. All the Democrats but a couple voted for the flag burning
amendment, which would have made flag burning a statutory violation where there was an intent to intimidate. Conservatives wanted a constitutional amendment, as opposed to a statute. A court can overturn a statute, but not a constitutional amendment. Democrats were working to derail the conservative agenda by passing a statute instead of a constitutional amendment.

Hillary is not an authoritarian. She is not running George Bush's 2000 campaign.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 03:53 PM
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38. Hillary's flag burning bill
was referred to by the late great Molly Ivins as "contemptible". I couldn't agree more. Sell out the bill of rights for a little dubious political gain? No problem for HRC apparently.
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:21 PM
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10. Disappointed
but not completely surprised. Can't risk contradicting the media machine's "everybody supports Hillary" storyline...
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 09:42 PM
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26. So what does this say to me?
It says for these talkin'head prez wann'a be's rallys, protestors need to get a copy of their permit previous to their lousy campaign event and see IF you have your rights still, or if they feel they can flush your rights down the toilet JUST LIKE BUSH did. :puke:
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 03:02 AM
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30. I get the same authoritarian vibe from Hillary that I get from BushCo . . .
her policies will be far closer to those of George W. Bush than to those advocated by people like Dennis Kucinich and John Edwards . . . and she'll rule with an iron fist, both here and abroad . . . although I'd like to see a woman become president, Hillary is not a woman I can support . . . or vote for . . .
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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 06:18 AM
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32. A really stupid move on her part -

In this age of on-line media, & the people who vote & decide the primaries being the most active on-line, this type of thing will spread like wild fire & only serve to further disenfranchise the core of the democratic primary base.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-07-07 08:41 AM
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33. The whole government is on the take ...every one of them except Henry Waxman
It don't matter who you vote for because they are all ass carrots who are giving oral sex to all the big military industrial and medical/drug corporations.
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Oldenuff Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 06:59 PM
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40. Too high a price

If the only issue for some,is to elect a woman president,then it's too high a price to pay.

I won't say "Anybody but Hillary",but she is at the very bottom of my list of candidates.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-08-07 07:36 PM
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41. Hmmmmmmm...
Too bad I believe it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-09-07 06:58 AM
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 04:17 PM
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48. Prepare yourselves for Hil's 4 year progress report, "don't expect me to undo what Bush took 8
years to do in just four, that's why I'm asking for another 4 years to get the job done... = Bushlite
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:28 AM
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49. Oh and she'll say she had to expand the death penalty even MORE just to win the swing voters
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 12:29 AM by Ken Burch
She'll be fryin' em for jaywalking.

But she'll make up for it by putting recyling bins in the death chambers.
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:04 AM
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53. Hillary is a corporate whore - we in the Democratic party deserve
a better person to carry on the proud mantle of Jefferson, FDR and the Kennedys. Four years of her and we will be triangulated to death. Can't we do better. We really need you Al!
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:36 AM
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54. I think FAR too many have the HRC stars in their eyes because (1) she is a woman; and
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 01:38 AM by Raster
(2) they want to relive the Big Dog glory days, which were only wonderful when compared to the preceding administration(s). HRC is a paid corporate whore, plain and simple. She is the lobbyists best friend and never met a focus group she didn't like. HRC doesn't have a position unless it's documented by Harris or Zogby. She is no more progressive than G-dumbya and the neoCON scum. I would love to see a woman as President of the United States, but not this woman. She's just more of the same with breasts and a vagina.
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