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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:49 AM
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GQ: COLIN POWELL INTERVIEW-I AM SORRY (for flawed intel)
Edited on Mon Sep-10-07 10:58 AM by babylonsister
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_5900

GQ ICON: COLIN POWELL
He was pushed aside in the run-up to war, but as he tells Walter Isaacson, he, too, bears some of the blame

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One of your legacies to history will be what’s known as the Powell Doctrine. How do you define it?
Essentially it says: Avoid war—and if that’s not possible, and it’s necessary to use arms to solve a political problem, then do it in a decisive way. You remove as much doubt as you can about the outcome. In addition, you need to have a clearly defined mission, and you must have some understanding of how it’s going to end.

Then the insurgency started, and we didn’t acknowledge it. They said it wasn’t an insurgency. They looked up the definition. They said it was a few dead-enders! And so we didn’t respond in a way that might have stopped it. And then the civil war started at the beginning of last year. I call it a civil war, but some say no, it’s not a civil war, it’s a war against civilians. In fact, we have total civil disorder.

Do you think the surge makes sense?
You can surge all of the American troops you want, but they can’t stop this. Suppose I’m a battalion commander. My troops ask, “What do I do today, boss?” “Let’s go fight the Shia militias!” “What do I do tomorrow?” “Let’s go fight the Sunni insurgents!” “What do I do the day after tomorrow?” “Let’s go chase Al Qaeda!” “What do we do the day after that?” “We’re going to guard streets!” Our kids are fantastic. But this is not sustainable. Our surge can work only with an Iraqi political and military surge.

Are you sorry you didn’t question things more forcefully?
At the time, when I felt the president might not have focused on all the potential consequences, I said I needed to see him. I went to the White House and had a private session with him. I told him that we could knock over Saddam’s regime but he needed to understand what we would be faced with once we had done that. It was my “When you break it, you own it” speech. I said that this invasion would tie up the better part of 40 percent of our army for an indefinite period of time. It will be hugely expensive. You will be dealing with this for a long time to come. I said, “Take it to the U.N. See if we can get something from the U.N. that might allow us to avoid this war.” He said, “Let’s share this with the others.” And a few days later, we had a discussion with everyone, some by videoconference. They eventually agreed that we should take it to the U.N., some more willingly than others. Dick didn’t think it would work, and Don I was not sure about, because you couldn’t always tell his opinion. Had I done my duty? I think so.

Do you feel responsible for giving the U.N. flawed intelligence?
I didn’t know it was flawed. Everybody was using it. The CIA was saying the same thing for two years. I gave perhaps the most accurate presentation of the intelligence as we knew it—without any of the “Mushroom clouds are going to show up tomorrow morning” and all the rest of that stuff. But the fact of the matter is that a good part of it was wrong, and I am sorry that it was wrong.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 10:58 AM
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1. "Dick didn’t think it would work..."
:mad:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:02 AM
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2. Screw Colon Bowel and his entire family tree.
Lying, traitorous bastard. He just wanted to play with the 'big boys' so he sold out his soul and his country.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:03 AM
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3. Too fucking late, Powell. nt
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Kikosexy2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 11:05 AM
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4. Too late Colin...
but it would help if you just admit to the fact that you all lied to the nation into war...there might be some redemption from that kind of confession...
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:34 PM
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5. Hey, Colin - take the GQ, roll it up, and
stick it up your butt. You are nothing but a ultra-partisan hack who could've gone down in history as a great man but will instead be remembered as a crooked flack for the most criminal administration in history.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 12:52 PM
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6. "I didn't know it was flawed"...bull fucking shit!!!
He knew it was flawed before he opened his mouth.

He lied, then...and he's lying now!

Fuck you. Powell.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:07 AM
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8. Thank you. Too True.
May every line written about him in the history
books from here out tell the truth about him.
TRAITOR.

BHN
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:32 AM
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9. Exactly. We were posting on DU the next morning that his intelligence was based on
outdated, disproven data. People here were tracking down the info on his mobile labs and chemical traces and about half the stuff he said, and were showing how it had already been publicly discredited, in some cases even by our own government.

He knew it was wrong, which means he was deliberately lying to push a war he knew did not need to be fought. Which means he's still lying when he pretends he didn't know.

I wonder, though, who he's lying to? Us? Himself? Is he trying to silence a million ghosts haunting his dreams by building a wall between reality and what he admits to himself? Or is he just trying to look pretty for people?

He's got a record of this. In Viet Nam, he was part of the My Lai investigation, and did his "see no evil, hear no evil" routine, then, too. Long after the facts came out, he said this: "I was in a unit that was responsible for My Lai. I got there after My Lai happened. So, in war, these sorts of horrible things happen every now and again, but they are still to be deplored."

He seems to deplore a lot of things that "just happen" while he's around.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-10-07 03:21 PM
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7. Hey, Colin what about the inspectors' opinions, who were on the
ground in Iraq finding nada? By that speech you knew full well what was going on. You screwed us! If you had taken a stand in public, you might have saved multi thousands of innocent lives; the public respected you. They might have listened. You could have been "a contender."
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Goat or Panic Donating Member (509 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-12-07 12:52 AM
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10. Still covering his ass.....
From his interview with Tim Russert.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5202007/


"SEC'Y POWELL: But it turned out that the sourcing was inaccurate and wrong, and in some cases deliberately misleading. And for that I am disappointed, and I regret it."

"Deliberately misleading?"

Can we call Bush a liar now?

This is the infamous interview where Powell's press secretary physically moved the camera away from Powell.

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