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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 07:55 AM
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Wanted: Foreign tech workers
Congress faces pressure to raise the number of visas for temporary employees.
By Eilene Zimmerman, FSB contributor
September 26 2007: 1:30 PM EDT


FSB -- When Elizabeth Charnock couldn't find the talent she needed to keep her small Silicon Valley software company Cataphora (cataphora.com) growing, she looked for workers overseas. Finding the skilled employees she sought, the CEO applied for eight H1B visas for fiscal 2008. The documents enable foreigners with technical skills to work temporarily in the U.S.

"We did everything you're supposed to do," says Charnock. "We hired an immigration lawyer, we filed the first day. It went into a lottery. Five of our eight hires got visas." Two of the three that didn't had already sold their homes to move to California from Europe. "Their lives were turned upside down. They are stuck," adds Charnock, "and so are we. The competition for these people here is insane."

Being able to get H-1B visas for needed workers is essential for small companies, she says. "It levels the playing field," she says.

Charnock is one of a groundswell of entrepreneurs and advocates for immigrants who say Congress needs to raise the cap on H-1B visas to help the economy. Last week 1,000 protestors-mostly legal immigrants-drew attention to the situation of highly skilled foreigners who want to work for companies in the U.S. by marching on Capitol Hill.

The demonstrators were protesting long delays in securing green cards for highly-skilled workers already in the U.S. The lags make it difficult for businesses in fields such as engineering and software development to secure and keep foreign skilled labor in the country, they say. According to immigration and workforce experts, if the nation does not accept more foreign workers with skills in math, engineering and computer science, we risk losing ground in the global economy, because the computer scientists who can't find work in the U.S. will go to work for economic rivals.

Governors from 13 states are now weighing in on the issue. California's Arnold Schwarzenegger, Deval Patrick of Massachusetts, and New York's Eliot Spitzer, were among those who signed a Sept. 11 letter (http://gov.ca.gov/index.php?/press-release/7381/) to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Minority Leader John Boehner urging them to raise the cap on the number of H1-B visas, which the governors say was set "arbitrarily" and today "bears no relation to our economy."

The H-1B program has its critics, including U.S.-born programmers, who say the visas serve mainly to drive down salaries of American tech workers. Some employers also question the value of the H-1B program. Miles Thomason, CEO of Levia Softwar (leviasoftware.com), a four-person company in Atlanta, says that when other companies hire H1-B workers and pay them a lower wages than Thomason pays his American workers, he loses competitiveness. He has tried to hire foreign-born programmers, but has not had positive experiences: "On paper they look good but the interviews don't go well," he says. "Communication issues alone are problematic for us."

Should the U.S. raise the cap on H-1B visas? Comment here. http://fsbfeatures.blogs.fsb.com/2007/09/25/should-the-us-grant-more-h-1b-visas/#comments

http://money.cnn.com/2007/09/25/smbusiness/h1b_cap.fsb/?postversion=2007092612

I wonder what Elizabeth Charnock was willing to pay.....?

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:01 AM
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1. OhioChick -- thanks for your diligence in covering this issue n/t
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:03 AM
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2. I was forced out of my last software job
because they preferred to hire immigrants whom they could pay less than they did me. They were getting these VISA's all the time. They were doing this while they were laying me off.

Now I work for a non-profit making $35K less than I did. The non-profit doesn't get VISAs to hire immigrants, so I got lucky.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:30 AM
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4. not all immigrants are job-stealers earning less money
I am a naturalized citizen. I came here to go to college in 1983. RIght out of college, I landed a job, got a J1 visa, then a H1, and eventually permanent residency that led to citizenship. During my years on the J1 and H1, I did not displace a US citizen from getting my job nor was I paid less. It's been a level playing field all the way. Meanwhile, my non-profit continues to hire foreign nationals from around the world and they're treated the same as their US citizen co-workers.

Not all immigrants are here as cheap labor to displace US citizens.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 02:11 PM
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11. I didn't mean to say they were
The ones I blame are the company and their policies. At the same time that I was having trouble, naturalized citizens were also going down in salary and having trouble maintaining jobs. I'm the last one to blame the immigrants themselves.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:05 AM
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3. This has been a legitimate problem for a while
I read where IBM used (abused) the program to hire foreign as a way to keep costs down. Foreign workers are less likely to complain, so you can pay them less than you do American born workers.

Thanks ohiochick for the story
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 03:26 PM
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12. Not according to the law they can't
to get an H-1B, the employer has to prove it is going to pay the prevailing wage.

see the reglations involved in getting an H-1B
http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title20/20cfr655_main_02.tpl

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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:30 AM
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5. Yeah right, Charnock.
No American can possible do high tech work. We are just a bunch of simpletons who built the Panama canal, who invented computers and the internet, who made your business possible. But, suddenly, we American workers can't do the jobs we invented. Where did our intelligence suddenly go? Overnight, we have gone from the most educated and productive workers in the world to stupidest and laziest people on earth.

"Elizabeth Charnock couldn't find the talent she needed to keep her small Silicon Valley software company growing"

Yup, yup, yup, we Americans workers just can't do anything except clean your toilets, serve your burgers and wait on you hand and foot. Oh wait, we have illegal immigrants to do those jobs too. I guess American workers are just out of luck. We will just go back to shopping because we are ignorant Americans. We are good for nothing except buying the crap people like Charnock want to sell us.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 08:53 AM
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6. We didn't invent computers
We did pioneer the business use of computers.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 09:48 AM
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7. I am here to tell you first hand
I work in placement in the high tech industry for the last 14 years. It has tanked because they can get CHEAPER workers from abroad. Period. The CEO's are making OBSCENE salaries and the engineers are shafted. No matter what anyone tells you...that is a fact! I have presented qualified people...and every time they go for the one who will accept the less amount of $$$ and that is H1B. It is no longer about having the best and the brightest ....it's about how much can I get out of this person for the least amount of money possible.
Thank you for the story OhioChick...

p.s. let me know if you are looking for a new position in the Northeast....just kidding:)
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:13 AM
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8. Be sure to check out the Lou Dobb videos in the Videos forum
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 10:55 AM
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9. Thanks, Will Do.
:thumbsup:
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cyberpj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 11:15 AM
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10. "couldn't find the talent she needed to keep her small Silicon Valley software company growing" -
What they always forget to put in that sentence is:

"FOR WHAT SHE WANTED TO PAY"


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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-28-07 04:39 PM
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13. H1B Visas have destroyed the tech industry in the US
wages are declining and jobs are scarce, because of out-sourcing and importing cheap programmers through H1B.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:47 AM
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14. the quality has plummeted
the quality of overseas work in general * S U C K S *
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 07:01 AM
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15. exactly...and it's because all the cheap labor is green
it's all people with little to no real programming experience. Much of what I see in the market these days are clients in need of having their codebase refactored or rewritten entirely because they shipped it off to India or China to have it written.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:00 PM
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16. That's what I'm working on now....
rewriting shitty code. (from India)
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