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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:25 AM
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The Rise of the Have-Nots
from The American Prospect:


The Rise of the Have-Nots

The American middle class has toppled into a world of temporary employment, jobs without benefits, and retirement without security.

Harold Meyerson | September 28, 2007 | web only



Last week over lunch, a friend in his 30s prodded me to explain how my generation, the boomers, had botched so many things. While not exactly conceding that we had, I said that the one thing none of us had anticipated was that America would cease to be a land of broadly shared prosperity. To be born, as I was, in mid-century was to have come of age in a nation in which the level of prosperity continued to rise and the circle of prosperity continued to widen. This was the great given of our youth. If the boomers embraced such causes as civil and social rights and environmentalism, it was partly because the existence and distribution of prosperity seemed to be settled questions.

Nor were we alone in making this mistake. Our parents may have gone through the Depression and could never fully believe, as boomers did, that the good times were here to stay. They remembered busts as well as booms. But the idea that the economy could revert to its pre-New Deal configuration (in which the rich claimed all the wealth the nation created while everyone else just got by), the notion that the middle class might shrink even as the economy grew: Who, among all our generations and political persuasions, expected that?

Yet that's precisely what happened. Median family income over the past quarter-century has stagnated. The economic rewards from increased productivity, which went to working-class as well as wealthy Americans from the 1940s to the '70s, now go exclusively to the rich. The manufacturing jobs that anchored our prosperity were offshored, automated or deunionized; lower-paying service-sector jobs took their place.

It's no great achievement for a people to recognize that their nation's economy has tanked, but recognizing that their nation's class structure has slowly but fundamentally altered is a more challenging task. It's harder still for a people who are conditioned, as Americans are, not to see their nation in terms of class.

Which is why a poll released this month by the Pew Research Center reveals a transformation of Americans' sense of their country and themselves that is startling. Pew asked Americans if their country was divided between haves and have-nots. In 1988, when Gallup asked that question, 26 percent of respondents said yes, while 71 percent said no. In 2001, when Pew asked it, 44 percent said yes and 53 percent said no. But when Pew asked it again this summer, the number of Americans who agreed that we live in a nation divided into haves and have-nots had risen to 48 percent -- exactly the same as the number of Americans who disagreed.

Americans' assessment of their own place in the economy has altered, too. In 1988, fully 59 percent identified themselves as haves and just 17 percent as have-nots. By 2001, the haves had dwindled to 52 percent and the have-nots had risen to 32 percent. This summer, just 45 percent of Americans called themselves haves, while 34 percent called themselves have-nots. ......(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=the_rise_of_the_havenots



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Erva Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:41 AM
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1. Good Read n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 08:46 AM
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2. You know, I always wonder why everyone blames the Boomers. Did not
the generation, the one that came right after us, have any responsibility to help prevent the chaos and destruction? I mean hell, we fought it off during out time, we got rid of Nixon. Yeah, we didn't think that it could or would come back like it has. But EVERY DAMN GENERATION SINCE has sat on their asses and watched as the country went to hell and didn't make a sound.

We'd seen it before, we shouldn't have let out guard down. But the rest of the people in this country haven't done a damn thing to make it better. Including and especially the young people today. (Except the crowd on Constitutional Avenue last night should take a bow. They seem to be getting a clue.)
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:02 AM
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4. Also, the boomers' draft resistance and demonstrations ended the draft.

If they'd just gone willingly into service the US would still have the draft now.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:38 PM
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13. And gotta give credit for Gravel ending the draft - he filibustered it. nt
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:18 AM
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15. You're right. I graduated in 1981 and saw all around me
young kids joining the military and talking about how great Reagan was. From my vantage point, I could see a lot in my generation caring nothing about social causes. It was all about partying, getting rich, and laughing at the people they took advantage of. Many were called "yuppies" at the time. It was definitely a natural progression from there to here.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:30 PM
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3. The Boomers Didn't Put Nixon or Reagan In Office
Our deluded parents and grandparents did. And this is the result.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:35 PM
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10. Bull.
I remember a article posted on DU stating that Boomer voters actually were more conservative then their WW2 Generation and Korean War Generation parents.

You boomers have an annoying tendency to twist history to make your generation look good.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:38 PM
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11. Most "boomers" could not even vote when Nixon was elected (1968).
Do the math. Nixon and Raygun were both elected by the WWII crowd.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:51 PM
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14. So an article on DU, the totally objective, non-emotional blog that it is, has
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 09:53 PM by gateley
shaped your conception of the Boomers? If that's an indication of all it takes for you to embrace a belief, your decisions for choosing any candidate are suspect.

If you knew me, or any of my friends -- we're all Boomers -- you'd almost have to consider that maybe your statement doesn't speak for all the people of my generation and question the source of the article which you have chosen to believe as fact.

Talk to the THIS source if you want to know the truth.

We did a LOT of good. If it hadn't been for us and Mike Gravel, chances are you or one of your friends or loved ones would have been drafted by now. And chances are your candidate -- or Hillary Clinton, or Bill Richardson, or anyone other than a white man, wouldn't have had a prayer to have come this far in their political careers.

Reading your post and seeing how easily you may have been influenced to accept an opinion as fact causes me even greater concern for the young people of today.

And by the way, what exactly has your generation contributed to the betterment of our country?

Standing by.





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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:34 AM
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16. You can't generalize so much - too much diversity
Every generation has its good people and bad. The problem is that the right wing, authoritarian types have gotten the upper hand, slowly and systematically over the last 30 years. Our hope today is joining with this next up-and-coming generation. And like so many previous generations, they are being marginalized and discounted by older generations. But there are some good kids out there, strong ones, smart ones. Remember the kid from Boulder High School, 17 years old, who handed O'Reilly his ass like no one else. Not all, but many of the kids these days are well aware that the generations before them have put their future at risk. I seriously doubt they are going to throw there hands up in the air and give up. They are still in touch with why life is worth living, even while so many adults around them act like victims of circumstance.

We've got to stop the generation wars. It divides us from our past and our future.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:54 AM
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18. Thanks for the voice of sanity. You're so right -- you've made me realize
I'm now being sucked into THIS war -- the generation war.

We really are scattered, aren't we? We're so invested in proving that we're right when it comes to our candidates, our view on rights, our view on solutions, our view on everything! Or proving others wrong. Machiavelli would be giddy.

We've lost our focus. Thank you for reminding me. I'll be ever vigilant in the future. :toast:
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TheProf Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-03-07 01:48 PM
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22. Yeah those grandparents.....
what a bunch of a**holes, all they did was win WWII and keep help keep Communism in check.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:02 PM
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5. Excellent article. Bush said, "This is an impressive crowd of the haves and have mores. Some people
call you the elite, I call you my base."

What goes around, comes around and I firmly believe the day of the "have-nots" will occur soon and this time it will be a more global pitting the "have-nots" in developed and undeveloped countries against the transnational "haves and have mores".

The key will be whether the "haves" roll the dice with the "have mores" or decide to try their chances with the "have-nots".

The Internet binds the have-nots into a global community that can finally wrest control of their destiny from the moneyed few who control the world's economy.
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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:19 PM
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6. CLASS WAR
this time it ain't spitballs.

oops Forgot, the haves have a private army BLACKWATER
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:33 PM
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7. Blackwater is no match for the hundreds of thousands of have-nots who have training equal to the
mercenaries Blackwater hires.

That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

The necessary ingredient is belief strong enough for patriots to fight an unconventional war against conventional forces encumbered with the logistics problem needed to field 21st conventional forces.

For example, a simple IED can destroy a Buffalo Armored Vehicle:
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Maq Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:04 PM
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8. go here to learns youself

A New York Times article describing Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFP's) and their alleged Iranian connection. These deadly weapons are an advanced form of Thermobaric Weapon which has been deployed though out Iraq is many different forms for years. There is a difference of opinion on where and how these bombs have originated in Iraq with no real evidence pointing to the Iranian regime. The photo also shows how easy it would be to manufacture such a device in a small munitions facility from someone with experience in manufacturing other types of roadside bombs .
SOURCE: http://warnewstoday.blogspot.com/

Spilled beans: Rumsfeld found the "Made in Iran" Tag or was it a sticker much like the made in China type.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:28 PM
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9. Been there, done that. n/t
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 12:43 AM
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17. God, I hope so. There are so many people who are aware now
The people in all lands need to rise up. Probably only out of the desperate need to stop wars, rise out of poverty and slavery will the billions turn on the rich in a large wave. It may be the Internet that gives us signal to act as one, but I'm sure the paranoid "haves" (who know nothing of real wealth) are keenly aware of that already.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:18 PM
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12. BULLSHIT -- this is why it seems the boomers "went to sleep"
"To be born, as I was, in mid-century was to have come of age in a nation in which the level of prosperity continued to rise and the circle of prosperity continued to widen."


"But the idea that the economy could revert to its pre-New Deal configuration (in which the rich claimed all the wealth the nation created while everyone else just got by), the notion that the middle class might shrink even as the economy grew: Who, among all our generations and political persuasions, expected that?"



Anyone who paid attention to the arrival of Ronald Reagan in the White House.

Anyone who paid attention.

This Gee Whiz cluelessness just reinforces the sense that Boomers felt it couldn't happen to THEM so they could ignore the writing on the wall.

Welcome to Year 27 of Reaganism.



http://www.thomhartmann.com
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 01:13 AM
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19. When you say "the boomers", do realize how many people
you're talking about?

They didn't invent fascism or right wing totalitarianism or slavery or poverty. This has been a human struggle for this entire age beyond our written history. You are absolutely correct in what you say except in the generalizations. Considering the "boomers" may have been the first generation to experience such a level of common prosperity in a technological society, it makes sense that many things would be taken for granted. There are some mistakes we just can't avoid because we just didn't know any better. I mean just think what would have happened if Al Gore took office in 2000. My guess is that the Repugs would *STILL* be a bunch of self-righteous, self-serving, smug assholes. The catastrophic failure of their policies and belief system wouldn't be so damn obvious and it wouldn't be just the 28%'ers falling for that crap. They may have even gotten more of a wedge into our media and educational systems even more than they have now. We may very well be fortunate to have this blow up so quickly on us before we've entirely forgotten how good it was when unions were strong, college was cheap, and rent wasn't half your wages just for a room. We *KNOW* what we've lost and we *KNOW* what's worth fighting for. It's no pipe dream for us.

Some people figured out what a crock of shit Reagan was from the start. Some knew long before. It's time now to get the rest of the huddled masses going and unfortunately for some people it's taking a great deal of pain to get them to wake up. Providence or misfortune, we are all in it together.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 07:45 AM
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20. Right on!
Edited on Tue Oct-02-07 07:47 AM by raccoon

"Considering the "boomers" may have been the first generation to experience such a level of common prosperity in a technological society, it makes sense that many things would be taken for granted. "

Add to that, many of the generation after the boomers had it lots better in terms of having more material things (including a room they didn't have to share with sibs) than most boomers did.
But I guess that's a subject for a whole other thread.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-02-07 08:02 PM
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21. yer right, it's shorthand and a generalization used in many discussions here before
"You are absolutely correct in what you say except in the generalizations."


.... which I will continue to use while taking your point.


"The boomers" generational catchall includes people who were alive during a time that we as a society -- and they as a segment -- witnessed/participated in events that taught us lessons that would have suggested...... that those people wouldn't fall for the same crap, stop paying attention and LIHOP.


"There are some mistakes we just can't avoid because we just didn't know any better."

See "we" did know better. "The boomers" knew better. They ignored the warning signs and enjoyed that "level of common prosperity in a technological society, it makes sense that many things would be taken for granted."

They knew better and they took it for granted. That's another way of saying they "fell asleep."

"Those who do not remember history are doomed to repeat it"



Great post :hi:


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