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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:56 AM
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Clinton, Obama, Insurance
Source: New York Times - Krugman

An Obama-type plan would also face the problem of healthy people who decide to take their chances or don’t sign up until they develop medical problems, thereby raising premiums for everyone else. Mr. Obama, contradicting his earlier assertions that affordability is the only bar to coverage, is now talking about penalizing those who delay signing up — but it’s not clear how this would work.
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Mr. Gruber finds that a plan without mandates, broadly resembling the Obama plan, would cover 23 million of those currently uninsured, at a taxpayer cost of $102 billion per year. An otherwise identical plan with mandates would cover 45 million of the uninsured — essentially everyone — at a taxpayer cost of $124 billion. Over all, the Obama-type plan would cost $4,400 per newly insured person, the Clinton-type plan only $2,700.
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But while it’s easy to see how the Clinton plan could end up being eviscerated, it’s hard to see how the hole in the Obama plan can be repaired. Why? Because Mr. Obama’s campaigning on the health care issue has sabotaged his own prospects.

You see, the Obama campaign has demonized the idea of mandates — most recently in a scare-tactics mailer sent to voters that bears a striking resemblance to the “Harry and Louise” ads run by the insurance lobby in 1993, ads that helped undermine our last chance at getting universal health care.
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If you combine the economic analysis with these political realities, here’s what I think it says: If Mrs. Clinton gets the Democratic nomination, there is some chance — nobody knows how big — that we’ll get universal health care in the next administration. If Mr. Obama gets the nomination, it just won’t happen.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/opinion/04krugman.html?hp



ALERT! Obama forces are posting in the forums that KRUGMAN is praising Obamas' plan...and the idiots are using this article as proof, betting that most will not read the article. In the interests of the Democratic Party and health care PLEASE fight these miscreants!
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superconnected Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 07:58 AM
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1. I'm nearly positve they're being so nice to each other because whoever wins
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 07:58 AM by superconnected
they will be running mates.

I expect it to be clinton/obama and not obama/clinton.

And no, I'm not happy with either being the dem choice for prez.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:01 AM
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2. We could post it five times an hour, like they post the same polls.
It seems so juvenile ... but the deliberate lying is destructive.

What is that talking point to defame the Clintons? "They'll say or do anything to win" -- ?

It's not just irony anymore.

--p!
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:04 AM
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3. recommend
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Earth_First Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:10 AM
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4. There will be NO universal healthcare coverage...
So quit leading us on, Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Obama.
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 01:48 PM
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5. No hope, no change
no American national health service.
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