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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:12 PM
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US political establishment lines up behind Barack Obama/Patrick Martin
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 08:36 PM by libbygurl
Just for everyone's information, whoever is interested in an outside-the-suffocating-box viewpoint. It DOES NOT endorse HRC (it likely wouldn't, either, but I'm certainly not blind to her weaknesses from the more genuinely socialist standpoint), but it's nice to read what others on the liberal side outside of the mainstream think about this current phenomenon.


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The typical Obama speech is a mass of nebulous phrases about uniting America, without the slightest acknowledgement that social and economic interests of working people, the vast majority of Americans, are diametrically opposed to those of the corporate and financial elite. In perhaps his most noteworthy comment, after the South Carolina primary, he explicitly rejected the notion that the wealthy don’t care about the condition of ordinary people. Obama’s mantra of bringing everyone together may appeal to the naïve illusions of youth who are making their first political experiences, but Obama and the Wall Street bankers and media moguls who are promoting him know exactly what they are doing. Theirs is a conscious policy of blurring social and political differences and denying class divisions in a society more deeply divided along economic lines than ever before in its history. - Patrick Martin



(...)

The Obama surge is undoubtedly a significant political event, but like any phenomenon in American politics, it has to be analyzed from two standpoints—what it reveals about changes in mass consciousness, and what it reveals about the ongoing policy discussions and political struggles taking place within the ruling elite.

For millions of voters, and particularly for young people, the response to Obama’s campaign reflects both a deep-going desire for significant social and political change, as well as widespread illusions—fostered assiduously by the media—that the election of the first black president would represent a fundamental break with an old and discredited political order in the United States.

Obama is not, however, the product of the civil rights struggles against racial oppression, nor is he associated with any popular movement from below. His career has far more in common with those of Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell, individuals selected and groomed by the American ruling class to carry out its policies. Like them, he is being used to put a new face on fundamentally reactionary policies and institutions.

In policy terms, there is little to distinguish Obama from Clinton, although her 2002 vote in the US Senate to authorize the war in Iraq has served as a lead weight around her neck throughout the campaign. The war is overwhelmingly unpopular among the American people as a whole, and among young people and Democratic primary voters in particular.

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Read the full article here:

http://www.worldproutassembly.org/archives/2008/02/us_political_es.html



Edited for clarification of my comment.


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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:14 PM
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1. Somehow, I do not think this is an endorsement of Hillary.
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 08:15 PM by Mass
I somehow do not think socialists recognize themselves as liberal anyway. You may need to review what liberal means.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:17 PM
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2. I never said it endorsed Hillary, did I? I said it likely wouldn't. nt
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:19 PM
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3. very interesting, thanks for posting
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:21 PM
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4. You're welcome. nt
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:46 PM
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5. The duh award goes to....
"In perhaps his most noteworthy comment, after the South Carolina primary, he explicitly rejected the notion that the wealthy don’t care about the condition of ordinary people".

Oh fricken please...why on earth is it that people assume that the wealthy don't care about the condition of ordinary people? Look at the philantropists such as Carnegie, Rockefeller, etc....


Or look at our presidents who were wealthy...hey, look at Franklin Roosevelt....rich up his ass! Could any educated person NOT think Franklin Roosevelt cared about the condition of working people? Or out of work people?

How about the Kennedys? Is anyone so naive as to think they don't care about ordinary people?

There are some people so caught up in ideology that they lose sight of the real world.

Yes....DUH.....some of the wealthy actually care about ordinary people. DUH...DUH....DUH....DUH....
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 08:56 PM
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6. The writer is more ideological, yes, but I think...
...he's talking more from a broader perspective. I'm not in favour at all of "democratising poverty" (which is what truly socialist societies seem to want to do), but the general structure of society vastly benefits the wealthy. I shan't bother to go into other arguments that socialists put forth right now (I've read quite a bit of that in my life).
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:05 PM
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8. broader perspective? I'd say quite narrow....
Sorry, but I don't hold a lot of hope for people so totally unobservant as to think that all rich people don't care about ordinary people....this is soooo bizarro. Too dumb for words.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:51 PM
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11. A few rich people care enough, but the broad structure of society, does, indeed,...
...perpetuate the power of the rich over everyone else. Go read some political history, current events and economics one day and educate yourself, for heaven's sake.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 01:33 AM
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13. The only people here too dumb for words are those who believe your bullshit.
And I'll bet there are DAMN few of them.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 07:19 AM
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14. I pointed out that FRD and the Kennedys were rich....
If you think that is bullshit, be my guest!

I pointed out that Hillary has always been wealthy. If you think that is bullshit, be my guest!

I reject the notion that ALL rich people do not care about everyday people. Emphasis on ALL. If you think that is bullshit, be my guest! But I have already shown that not ALL rich people are that way.

I think the OP was stretching to find something to bash Obama with. I found it ironic that he bashed Obama for...gasp...reaching out to people of all incomes. The irony is, while all the bashing of rich people was going on, the elephant in the living room is that both Obama and Clinton are rich....
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:05 PM
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7. Yes, dear. And WHY do these pitiful few stand out?
Ah. Because the rest of them don't give a flying fuck?

This is rather like the anthropology lecturer I had, who gave Mozart as an example of children's normal abilities.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 09:09 PM
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9. So, Hillary worshipper...then how do you explain how Hillary was born rich...
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 09:25 PM by earthlover
and has been rich all her life?

Why single out Obama?

Blind as bats!!!!

Yes, both Obama and Hillary have seen wealth. The difference is that Obama could have got cushy jobs out of Harvard Law School but he went into community activism helping the poor....whereas Hillary served on tghe Board of Directors of Walmart. I will leave you to ponder which helped the ordinary people more at the time....
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:46 PM
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10. I'm not singling out Obama-the writer is. Didn't you see what I wrote-the article ...
Edited on Mon Feb-04-08 11:52 PM by libbygurl
...does not, in its turn, go and endorse Hillary? Who's the blind one, pray tell?

And why are you so livid about the article? Because it tells a few truths about Obama's campaign that hurt?

You're the one with the narrow perspecetive, my dear. Hillary worked for the Children's Defense Fund after law school.

And could you use more exclamation points, please?

Hillary, as I've said in other posts, is certainly not perfect, but she's got what we need now-smarts, competence, REAL, MEATY PLANS laid out in sufficient detail, addressing a whole host of concerns that I've thought about these last seven years.
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libbygurl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-04-08 11:54 PM
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12. LOL. Excellent point, aquart. nt
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