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ursi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:39 PM
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Peggy Noonan: Can Mrs. Clinton Lose?
Edited on Sun Feb-10-08 12:41 PM by ursi
WSJ: If Hillary Clinton loses, does she know how to lose? What will that be, if she loses? Will she just say, "I concede" and go on vacation at a friend's house on an island, and then go back to the Senate and wait?

Is it possible she could be so normal? Politicians lose battles, it's part of what they do, win and lose. But she does not know how to lose. Can she lose with grace? But she does grace the way George W. Bush does nuance.

She often talks about how tough she is. She has fought "the Republican attack machine" that has tried to "stop" her, "end" her, and she knows "how to fight them." She is preoccupied to an unusual degree with toughness. A man so preoccupied would seem weak. But a woman obsessed with how tough she is just may be lethal.

Does her sense of toughness mean that every battle in which she engages must be fought tooth and claw, door to door? Can she recognize the line between burly combat and destructive, never-say-die warfare? I wonder if she is thinking: What will it mean if I win ugly? What if I lose ugly? What will be the implications for my future, the party's future? What will black America, having seen what we did in South Carolina, think forever of me and the party if I do low things to stop this guy on the way to victory? Can I stop, see the lay of the land, imitate grace, withdraw, wait, come back with a roar down the road? Life is long. I am not old. Or is that a reverie she could never have? What does it mean if she could never have it?

We know she is smart. Is she wise? If it comes to it, down the road, can she give a nice speech, thank her supporters, wish Barack Obama well, and vow to campaign for him? It either gets very ugly now, or we will see unanticipated--and I suspect professionally saving--grace.

I ruminate in this way because something is happening. Mrs. Clinton is losing this thing. It's not one big primary, it's a rolling loss, a daily one, an inch-by-inch deflation. The trends and indices are not in her favor. She is having trouble raising big money, she's funding her campaign with her own wealth, her moral standing within her own party and among her own followers has been dragged down, and the legacy of Clintonism tarnished by what Bill Clinton did in South Carolina. Unfavorable primaries lie ahead. She doesn't have the excitement, the great whoosh of feeling that accompanies a winning campaign. The guy from Chicago who was unknown a year ago continues to gain purchase, to move forward. For a soft little innocent, he's played a tough and knowing inside/outside game.

more...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241915915951669.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

*Not totally "Ann Coulteresque" as in being attacked for being half black or gay.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:42 PM
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1. Peggy Noonan: Was she a Reagan Asskisser?
Peggy Noonan: Is She as Relevant as a Buggywhip at a NASCAR Race?

Peggy Noonan: Does She Still Think People Give A Fuck What She Thinks?
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navarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:56 PM
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4. lol well done, MADem
chuckle
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:44 PM
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2. More to the point. . .Can Peggy Noonan resurrect the ghost of Reagan and save the Repub's ?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 12:51 PM
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3. NOONAN?
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:12 PM
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5. Kill the messenger........
.....while refusing to actually read the message seems like a popular passtime among Hillary supporters and Bush Republicans.

Coincedence?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:43 PM
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8. this messenger deserves it.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:29 PM
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6. Frankly, My Dear Ms. Noonan, Who Gives a Damn?
Of all the issues on the American political scene, this keeps you up nights?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-10-08 01:42 PM
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7. Noonan: paid reknucklian operative spreading disinformation.
Please put her on ignore. Put the entire WSJ on ignore for that matter. The whole lot of them ought to be tombstoned IRL. Too bad we dont have analogue mods.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:33 AM
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9. Skittles: Can Ms. Noonan shut the fuck up
PLEASE
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:15 AM
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10. Why the hell is * sycophant Nooner being posted here?
One of the main problems the Dems have is that they read/listen to Repukes every day and believe little bits of it. PEGGY NOONAN HAS NOTHING TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO. Neither do Rush, Sean, Billo, Scarborough, Coulter, Ingram, McLaughlin, Buchanan, Liddy, Hewitt, Morgan, Robertson, Medved, Carlson, Kurtz, Thomas, Gallagher, Garrison, Broder, Safire, Milbank, or anyone else at the WSJ or on hate radio. TURN IT OFF.
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MarkInLA Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:04 PM
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13. Wow. You sound like a true militant.
Some of us can handle hearing opposing viewpoints, and can even enjoy debating them.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 01:49 PM
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11. Peggy Noonan from you ... figures n/t
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MarkInLA Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 02:00 PM
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12. I agree with most of what she had to say
I figured that the hacks here would immediately attack Peggy Noonan - most of you probably didn't even read the article. The point is that Clinton, compared to Obama, will be very easy for Republicans to attack and defeat. It's interesting to think about how Hillary will handle being defeated by either Obama or McCain in the fall, if that should happen.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 03:39 PM
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14. Why is this article even posted on DU? What purpose does it serve?
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Universitario Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-11-08 11:34 PM
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15. Nobody is right-wing enough to Obama supporters n/t
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