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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:18 PM
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This is the war that started with lies, and continues with lie after lie after lie
Patrick Cockburn: This is the war that started with lies, and continues with lie after lie after lie
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-this-is-the-war-that-started-with-lies-and-continues-with-lie-after-lie-after-lie-797788.html

It has been a war of lies from the start. All governments lie in wartime but American and British propaganda in Iraq over the past five years has been more untruthful than in any conflict since the First World War.

The outcome has been an official picture of Iraq akin to fantasy and an inability to learn from mistakes because of a refusal to admit that any occurred. Yet the war began with just such a mistake. Five years ago, on the evening of 19 March 2003, President George Bush appeared on American television to say that military action had started against Iraq.

This was a veiled reference to an attempt to kill Saddam Hussein by dropping four 2,000lb bombs and firing 40 cruise missiles at a place called al-Dura farm in south Baghdad, where the Iraqi leader was supposedly hiding in a bunker. There was no bunker. The only casualties were one civilian killed and 14 wounded, including nine women and a child.

On 7 April, the US Ai r Force dropped four more massive bombs on a house where Saddam was said to have been sighted in Baghdad. "I think we did get Saddam Hussein," said the US Vice President, Dick Cheney. "He was seen being dug out of the rubble and wasn't able to breathe."

Saddam was unharmed, probably because he had never been there, but 18 Iraqi civilians were dead. One US military leader defended the attacks, claiming they showed "US resolve and capabilities".

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napoleon_in_rags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:27 PM
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1. Its amazing how people become willing to lie as a tool
like with Nazi or Soviet propaganda...but how that tool always comes back to destroy the person who tries to wield them. The Nazis held the jews hostage in camps to deter the allied forces, which were controlled by a non-existent jewish cabal. The Soviets experienced the total collapse of their economy because bad news was punished for so long that all failures were spun as successes until nobody really knew what was going on. And now with Iraq... The all the lies, I wonder if those spinning them out really have any idea what they are fighting for, what it is that actually makes the whole endeavor worth it.
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:49 AM
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2. Robert Fisk: The only lesson we ever learn is that we never learn
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/fisk/robert-fisk-the-only-lesson-we-ever-learn-is-that-we-never-learn-797816.html


Five years on, and still we have not learnt. With each anniversary, the steps crumble beneath our feet, the stones ever more cracked, the sand ever finer. Five years of catastrophe in Iraq and I think of Churchill, who in the end called Palestine a "hell-disaster".

But we have used these parallels before and they have drifted away in the Tigris breeze. Iraq is swamped in blood. Yet what is the state of our remorse? Why, we will have a public inquiry – but not yet! If only inadequacy was our only sin.

Today, we are engaged in a fruitless debate. What went wrong? How did the people – the senatus populusque Romanus of our modern world – not rise up in rebellion when told the lies about weapons of mass destruction, about Saddam's links with Osama bin Laden and 11 September? How did we let it happen? And how come we didn't plan for the aftermath of war?

Oh, the British tried to get the Americans to listen, Downing Street now tells us. We really, honestly did try, before we absolutely and completely knew it was right to embark on this illegal war. There is now a vast literature on the Iraq debacle and there are precedents for post-war planning – of which more later – but this is not the point. Our predicament in Iraq is on an infinitely more terrible scale.

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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:34 AM
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3. Which leads me to believe we are not being told the truth about 911.
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